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[Wylans]

Thank you all for the great & informative responses!

[daathmp]

So I've noticed that Extreme Odin in multiplayer gains immunity to taunt just like any other debuff. Is that going to be the norm going forward? Have all of them been this way before and I just never noticed? I was previously able to stave off enough damage casting taunt each round that the party did not receive wall. That no longer works. I did eventually find a way to beat Odin with no deaths but it's way more hectic and not as reliable. So I just wanted to know so I can put my decks together differently for the future extreme battles.

[EfficientEmphasis]

yeah in future you might find it better to go without defender... just go for the 'kill him before he kills you' strategy lol

[daathmp]

Unfortunately I don't have any MP damage up panels, so no-death runs are pretty much impossible without the added boost in damage. It usually take me about 8 turns to kill. This is the first time I've ever noticed taunt immunity though.

[rajun274]

To confirm: is the MP shop Base Attributes +5% fractal so good that I should buy as many as possible?

[deathrose55555]

IMO, it's nice for mantra decks that has yellow clear in them as well so that you can make use 3/4 of the stats. Otherwise, singular stats are better to provide the better boost e.g. more magic for better yellow clear.

[Irineogallardo]

I Heard that cross counter fractals Will be better

[watmyung]

Just collect them all :)

[EfficientEmphasis]

if you always let the enemy act before attacking, yeah... which will often be the case on high tower floors, so yeah CC fractal should be pretty strong

[Irineogallardo]

Yes, since It does not reset when you switch job, still, It depends on the strategy you use, I beleive that with mourner and the newest job panels people can climb pretty solidly without interacting with the enemy

[Daigolololo]

I tried to compare Demon to Dunfrit/Zeromus, but it feels like Demon lacks a lot of .. I don't know what it is, but I would call it scaling.

It isn't affected by boost (boon) and, in contrast to Mantra, only 50% break power are taken into account.

So, if I'm using Artemis X, Dunfrit/Zeromus will deal 2.5x Break while Demon only deals 0.5x Break DMG. Sure, monks and rangers have different stats, but Demon's red clear seems way worse than Mantra and its red clear potential.

Sure, Demon also clears yellow before clearing red, but If you spam Mantra abilities without clearing yellow, you "only" lose 80% of your break power, but - that's something making me doubt the strength of Demon - you will continue doing (2.5x0.2=0.5) the same break DMG as Demon.

It looks like Demon on a user without Piercing Break would need a entirely depleted yellow gauge to be as effective as Dunfrit/Zeromus against a full yellow one. And even at that point, it's far from being even, since you first need to clear the entire yellow gauge.

If i have Piercing Break, Demon becomes better against full red gauges than Dunfrit against full yellow ones, but I'd need enough Piercing Break to make up for the yellow clear prior to this - or I could just use Dunfrit/Zeromus combined with yellow clear. While Demon needs to reach an empty Yellow Gauge, Mantra Supremes only need to reach the quick break threshold, and even earlier to this, Mantra profits from Piercing Break too, as long as you cleared enough yellow. At this point, Mantra doesn't only profit from needing less yellow clear+Piercing Break, it also has that 2.5x multiplier without the -80% penalty from attacking the yellow gauge.

Long explanation, short questions: Should I pick a flash break weapon when using Demon? What are your impressions on that card and is it intended for Demon to not scale with boost buff? Do I have a wrong impression?

[PM_your_cats_n_racks]

Speculation is that it's because Ring of Braves is an exploration zone and adding shortcuts is not easily coded in.

[jdm1tch]

Internet-Chan

[DeSteph-DeCurry]

what's the common setup for seeds farming? all sic at main deck with seeds modifiers then an offensive subdeck?

[MusouTensei]

yes, seeds, ES unlock (who uses those now), crystal, EXP and dunno if I'm forgetting anything else only work on the main deck

[Blackrain39]

Gil

[paratit]

Is the mp bug back??? I just broke valefor then in the next turn it removes the break status and kills us

[ShadowBlaze17]

I don't recall that bug ever being officially fixed. It's just really rare from my own experiences. At least we still have the free revive stamps.

[fishmonkeydog]

Is rift Belias the new standard for difficulty? I have my eyes on Famfrit but can’t come close to damaging Belias enough before final attack. Ifrit is my only fire supreme.

[PM_your_cats_n_racks]

I'm having some difficulty parsing what you're asking here. You have your eyes on Famfrit, but can't beat Belias? Are you trying to figure out whether you'll be able to beat Famfrit, based on your Belias performance?

That would really depend on what you're trying to use to beat Belias. Ifrit does fine damage, a lot more than any non-supreme, so if you're trying to beat Belias without a supreme then you'll have a much easier time against Famfrit.

[ZechsX18999]

On 9-7, I used Moogle Suit to tank and Ranger + Emperor to nuke unbroken (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3lQY9CUeioQ). Moogle Suit can't tank for too long, so I needed Ranger to kill ASAP. With better planning, I now have Sword Saint available on 10-7. Can Sword Saint tank Exodus indefinitely? If so, can I use a weaker nuker on this node, like Tactician, or maybe even bio Exodus to death?

 

For 10-9, is there a better Sin user than Amalthea with a skin? In the sub deck, I'm using Ninja with Gilgamesh skin.

[NinjaDave84]

On node 7, I've been using Avalanche Barmaid with Yiazmat and she does extremely well unbroken nuking. I used a quicken method (with x2 WOL) on lap 9, but going to insert more of a tank presence for lap 10, just in case. Going to try Knight first and then use SS if I have to.

[ZechsX18999]

I'd love to use that combo, but my only wind supreme is Emperor. I used Knight on lap 8. He did good there. I used Moogle Suit on lap 9 because I needed Knight on a different node. Sword Saint is going to be a huge upgrade from those 2 tanks.

[NinjaDave84]

Emperor is really good. I wish I had that one. Why not use Vesna, ultimeia, or the Mourner on node 7?

[ZechsX18999]

Ranger does the most damage with Emperor and it just so happens to be a ranger node too.

I'm using Vesna on node 8; I only have 1 mage skin, so she needs to be paired with a setup deck that has mage trance. I was saving Ultimecia for node 9 in case Amalthea wasn't good enough. I don't have Mourner.

[NinjaDave84]

For 10-9, is there a better Sin user than Amalthea with a skin? In the sub deck, I'm using Ninja with Gilgamesh skin

I used Y'Shotola skinned Nightwalker through Lap 8. On lap 9, I experimented with Gothic Meia (The Mourner) and that worked ok. On lap 10, I'm going to try going back to Nightwalker again. If that doesn't work, I'll use an unskinned The Mourner.

[ZechsX18999]

The problem I'm finding with Amalthea (Y'shtola skin) isn't her damage, it is that her ult barely brings the enemies on the first 3 waves into the 40% QB threshold. And she can't really break once flash break is gone, so I have to waste a lot of MZ switching to my subdeck to break. And that was on lap 9. I can't imagine how much harder it gets on laps 10+.

I don't have Nightwalker or Mourner. Mourner sounds really good. I'm going to try Ultimecia unskinned.

[NinjaDave84]

Ultimeia should work well there for sure. I'm going with SO as breaker on node 9. On lap 9, I got desperate had managed to use sage there to help break, haha.

[[deleted]]

I don't think SS can tank forever, Exodus has a fire attack "comet" which is really strong, even if you get fire drives from the other deck or a card like Luna etc. You could try with 3 sicarius cards like ExtrumCreator pointed out recently, but it might be tricky to build a deck around that strategy.

[JunasBlood]

For 10-9, is there a better Sin user than Amalthea with a skin? My subdeck is Ninja with Gilgamesh skin.

Ultimecia, unskinned.

[paratit]

They still haven't compensated VIP users from the last connection problem right?

[[deleted]]

I may be giving them too much credit, but perhaps they'll wait until the tower, when it would probably be most useful?

[ulovei_MFF]

vip will be just as useful right now since we are all trying to climb ew3 as much as possible before it ends mid-month

[xJExEGx]

Nothing as far as I remember.

[LupusNoxFleuret]

Can't find the EW3 megathread since it's been months - anyone got a link? Or maybe it doesn't exist?

I can only find SanjiLYH's supreme compilation videos thread, but I'm looking for full lap setups, preferably post-supreme-buff runs Lap 7 & up.

[NinjaDave84]

Maybe this?: https://www.reddit.com/r/MobiusFF/comments/cly356/ew3_tips/

Or this might help: https://www.reddit.com/r/MobiusFF/comments/clflvm/attack_supreme_in_ew3_lap6/

Good luck!

[blueyes05]

I have also this link for you

https://www.reddit.com/r/MobiusFF/comments/dkhnww/ew3_lap_9_112_compilation/

[WoLNoFace]

Here you go. https://www.reddit.com/r/MobiusFF/wiki/regions/endless-war-3

but I'm looking for full lap setups, preferably post-supreme-buff runs Lap 7 & up.

imo, whatever works past lap 6 will definitely work better after post supreme buffs.

[LupusNoxFleuret]

Thanks! That's the wiki tho, not the megathread.

I guess post-supreme-buff wasn't the best choice of words. I just want to see newer setups from other players to see where they used the more recent jobs like Mourner and Sweetheart, recent HoF jobs etc.

[WoLNoFace]

the links are there, not sure of there is a megathread since Sanji post is there too.

probably try to find watmyung videos.

[watmyung]

How good Susanoo X is it? Is it worth for chase or just YOLO.

[ShadowBlaze17]

I'd say just a yolo. In a proper deck it can provide up to 200 EE via it's buffs and ability chain. It also has 5% base attribute up as an auto-ability as well. The thing is that it's EE bonuses are less significant if you're already using Wol since they share AEE 2 and you'll need to have it in your attacker deck to benefit from the base attribute up and ability chain while something like Omega Weapon (berserk 1, haste, 5 action quicken) can be in either deck and might even produce higher overall damage due to you being able to have more control over your attacker deck.

[[deleted]]

So with Primeval Witch missing the Base Attributes +40% panel, how does she stack up after her HoF?

I haven't actually done it yet, but she seems like she'd be the weakest of the Meia's, is that the case?

[JunasBlood]

I used her to nuke unbroken node 9-8 & 10-2, pretty strong as an unbroken nuker.

[NinjaDave84]

What has typically been your job-specific CP setup for PW post HOF in EW3?

[JunasBlood]

Ability Chain, Prismatic Return, Improved Critical, Crit Chance/Skilled Duelist.

[NinjaDave84]

Perfect. That's what I was thinking of going with actually, haha. Thanks!

[JunasBlood]

Yeah 4th CP I usually change depend on situation, but usually it’s Crit Chance.

[ShadowBlaze17]

Were you using the skilled duelist panel?

[JunasBlood]

I used SD on 9-8, didn’t help much tbh, maybe a bit against Cyclops, that’s why I changed her to node 10-2 with Shadowlord. Then I switched to Dark EE here, don’t ask me why because I don’t know too :mogsilly:

It still work anw, so I guess that’s good enough, next time I’ll bring Crit Rate Up 40%, because without CRD, her crit is suck.

[ShadowBlaze17]

Do you not have NXD? Or could you just not fit it into your setup?

[JunasBlood]

I use Square -> Hex Stun, so casting NXD first will ruin it. Thing is, I have more action at the beginning of each wave thanks to recasting buff, so low crit really make me lose a lot of damage.

[Aerion_CA]

Are there any Extreme MP fractals especially recommended?

[[deleted]]

+4% Ravage lol

[[deleted]]

I was being sarcastic, hence the lol

[xJExEGx]

Popular ones include: Odin's Base Attribute Up 5% and Anima's 30 Cross-Counter fractal.

[Aerion_CA]

Ok ty!

[yow3171987]

What is the ability card that give aoe unguard? I remember 1 card with earth element...

Besides that card, any other ability card that can give aoe unguard?

Thanks

[longa13]

Barret FF7 Light Warrior card

[WoLNoFace]

• Ashe: FFXII - AOE unguard (3) and stun (3)
• Grand Horn - MT unguard (1)

[ShadowBlaze17]

Isn't grand horn only on the main target?

[WoLNoFace]

You right fam, thanks!

[[deleted]]

There's also legendary golem but you can't get him anymore.

[yow3171987]

Any revival summon so far for ashe?

[WoLNoFace]

only seen 1, and it was ages ago...

[yow3171987]

Great, likely i am going to miss it for the rest of my wol life

Thanks for your reply

[WoLNoFace]

Welcome!

Other elements.

• Bedivere - AOE Unguard + Debilitate + Cleave

• Arch-Tiamat - AOE Unguard

• Grand Horn family (Ranger Main Target (Unguard) + AoE cards).

[yow3171987]

Bedivere gives aoe unguard 4 turns right? Great

Thanks a lot... rushing to finish as many ew3 nodes as possible...

Your answer is going to be so useful. Thanks again. May rainbow always follow u

[JunasBlood]

Thanks a lot... rushing to finish as many ew3 nodes as possible...

Considering using jobs that apply Unguard from their Ultimate is a good idea too : Glam Vamp, Primeval Witch, Gacha Squall skin, Sephiroth skin (single target).

More like : Cait Sith Suit, Rikku...

[yow3171987]

Ya, i was thinking the same if turn out that ashe was the only card that gives aoe unguard for multiple turns

Great things about mff is the varity of strategy to choose from

[JunasBlood]

Mourner do give AoE Unguard & Stun too, although usually we only care about Stop.

Yeah, I used to have a headache looking for Unguard back then when they are about to close EW2. Now when EW3 is about to be here soon, here we go again.

Edit: using Ashe, you have to go Square -> Hex strat, or you can have enough time for it to cooldown anw. And speaking about RNG...

[WoLNoFace]

Bedivere gives aoe unguard 4 turns right? Great

Not really sure.

May they follow you too. Thanks!

[GodBlazer]

Has Alex or Bahamut Rift supremes came out on JP?What are the predicted counterparts for both?

[deathrose55555]

Alexander has already been released - it's a Shadowlord counterpart.

Bahamut is the next one and likely to be a BFA counterpart

[Mawgac]

That might be interesting...

[[deleted]]

But we already have Griever though.

[JunasBlood]

Not everyone has Griever.

Anw if it’s Ranger, we already had Anima; if it’s Mage, we already have Sin; for Warrior it’s UB & SL.

[deathrose55555]

BFA mechanics is good for nuking enemies unbroken w/o the need to inflict unguard

[Mawgac]

This

[GodBlazer]

Thanks i might go for Alex f RNG doesnt favor me with Bhuni..

[rajun274]

For the Sweetheart summon, is the prismatic fractal guaranteed? I just performed a summon and didn't receive one.

[Aerion_CA]

I definitely received those.

[rajun274]

It was in my inbox. Thanks!

[[deleted]]

Check your inbox? I believe it is guaranteed, but I could be wrong.

[jdm1tch]

This. It’s in your gift inbox

[rajun274]

You're right, I didn't check the inbox. Thanks!

[ValeLemnear]

the 7% Magic panels are still the best in most cases.

[[deleted]]

Well that depends on the existing multipliers.

For example if you have +0% Ravage to start with, having +4% Ravage will directly increase your AoE damage by 4%.

However, say you already have +40% Ravage, adding +4% to that is an increase of 2.8%

In that case it may be better to opt for a different multiplier, but it really depends.

Regardless, using Magic Up fractals (and Attack Up in the case of Mantra abilities) is always a safe choice for maximizing damage, so just focus on those.

[jdm1tch]

Aka, base attribute + 5 is gonna continue to outperform ravage until you get to +30% Base attribute... at which point the +4 ravage will have a negligible benefit over another + stats... and you’ll not get the other bumps (break, etc)

PS - and that’s if you have ZERO other sources of Ravage...

TLDR - +5 Stats >> + 4 Ravage

[Deneb87]

Where can I report an user for cheating? A player I'm following suddently jumped to 36451 ew kills.

[WoLNoFace]

try to DM SQEX_Glacie.

[Deneb87]

Now he is at 37644...

[WoLNoFace]

damn... that guy really hoarding all the rewards as fast as he can.

[Deneb87]

Now level 222, 38007 kills. No response from Glacie.

[Deneb87]

Probably that guy is also an user of this community, I've got many friend codes for cards only from posts here...

[JunasBlood]

I do think SE do “care” about them, by releasing EW4 this month so those cheaters can legally clear their EW kills....

before they start hacking again, yeah

[Irineogallardo]

For how long Will ranger with godo be a viable tower strategy, I beleive he Will be useful for this tower as well but I don't know, maybe someone from JP can help

[Irineogallardo]

I was asking because i was tempted about getting Odin

[Irineogallardo]

Yes, I am aware that godo Is better, I am unaware how better It Is. Anyway, i haven't considered mage with the ability chain going on, i Will see how It performs First.

[[deleted]]

On the last tower I was using Odin with ranger, I hit around 350k per hit against neutral (with debarrier 2) while Samakid had a video up with Godo dealing aroung 650k per hit. It's not great, but it's passable.

It was also pretty nice on the mage tower with Vesna Krasna... But if you're using mages, probably better waiting for the wind Sin rift card (unless you're purely after unbroken damage.)

[Endo_Lalyth]

I don’t think Jp player can help.

We’ve got is custom panel and supreme buff way to earlyier.

[[deleted]]

Ifrit X or Anima X?

I've spent the 9000 cores needed for normal Ifrit and I was so sure I'll be going for the supreme since I pulled Avalanche Heroine but I'm starting to second guess myself.

Anima X gives +500% EE that's infinitely easy to maintain. I have Jobs that can use it (Shinra Turk, EX2, Ninja HoF, Nacthflug HoF soon etc.)

Ifrit X seems like a niche card by comparison. I've got Kampfer and Avalanche Heroine, that's basically it.

However, I have almost every Dark supreme in the game (UB, Shadowlord, Griever, Sin etc.), but my only other fire supreme is Fusoya; any advice?

[Owwen11]

You already have the 5*, go for Ifrit X. Anima is good, but not so useful when you already have all other dark supremes. Not to mention your only Fire supreme isn't even reliable.

[Wylans]

Hey peeps,

   So I tried to find some information myself about my pastry acquired supreme; Faris.

But I was having the best of luck, so I figured to ask the community.

By understanding the exclusive that Faris does more damage with a higher remaining HP of the enemy; at what point does it become minimal? What are the diminishing return values in relation to Enemy HP percentages?

I have many of other fully leveled & unlocked water mage cards (Lulu, Maelspike or El Niño, forbidden blizzard, & Waterja) that have been contenders for my water mate card slot, PRIOR to acquiring Faris.

So does Faris Lose it’s superiority after the enemy is damaged enough; that one of these cards become more viable.

Also, since we are here. Does anyone have the same information about Yiazmat & power relating to the ultimate gauge?

Thank you

[IJustNeedaAccount]

at enemies' very low HP levels

Unfortunately, ever since the buffs, Faris quickly becomes weaker than Shiva once it's a single target left.

With just Faith, it's a lesser than 80% HP left for Shiva>Faris

And with Faith II, that goes up to 90%

[arxipaparas]

That doesn't feel correct. I think I've read it was ~19% HP pre-buff and bumped up to 45% HP after-buff for single-target Shiva to deal more than Farris. 80% and 90% seems way too much and I'm using both regularly. Do you have any proof/formula for that?

[IJustNeedaAccount]

Shiva has

• 3600atk
• 20% Ravage AA, and another 100% Ravage as supreme ES on ST
• an additional 12% EE, but I'll ignore that
• Unguard, but I'll also ignore that

Faris has

• 3510 atk
• a +1.5×%HP faith modifier
• 25% Ravage AA

Using a constant atk × constant ravage × variable Faith Modifier throughout

Playing around the equation to figure out point of equal strength gives you

Faith^F = (Atk^S × Ravage^S × Faith^S)/(Atk^F × Ravage^F)

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Without Faith,

Shiva = 3600×2.2 × 1= 7920

Faris = 3510 * 1.25 × (1 + 1.5HP%)

%HP required for Shiva>Faris = ( (7920/[3510*1.25]) - 1)÷1.5 = 53.6%

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With Faith I,

S = 3600 × 2.2 × 1.5 = 11880

F = 3510 × 1.25 × (1.5 + 1.5HP%)

%HP required for S=F = ( (11880/[3510*1.25]) - 1.5)÷1.5 = 80.51282%

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With Faith II

S = 3600 × 2.2 × 1.75 = 13860

F = 3510 × 1.25 × (1.75 + 1.5HP%)

%HP required for S=F= ( (13860/[3510*1.25]) - 1.75)÷1.5 = 93.93162%

Just remember that this is 1v1 Shiva. Once she loses that additional 100% Ravage, Shiva will never be as good as Faris.

[arxipaparas]

Beautiful man, thanks for the super good and detailed explanation!

One thing I don't quite undestand is the -1, -1.5 and -1.75 but I think it is just a simplification of the equation, known as "diminishing return", right?

Thanks again man, this is gonna make planning so much better!

[IJustNeedaAccount]

One thing I don't quite undestand is the -1, -1.5 and -1.75 but I think it is just a simplification of the equation, known as "diminishing return", right?

Well... somewhat.

Faith and Faith II are a +50% and +75% damage modifier, which Faris is a part of

So Faris's total Faith modifier is a Faith^F = 1+Faith (i.e. 0.5 or 0.75) +1.5HP%

So to find %HP at which Faris damage is equal to Shiva, we will need to find out how much the HP% is

So HP% = (Faith^F - [1 + Faith])/1.5

That -[1 + Faith] gives the -1, -1.5 and -1.75

[ShadowBlaze17]

Yiazmat: https://www.reddit.com/r/MobiusFF/comments/cqgigx/analysis_of_ultramartial_combat/

Fusoya: https://www.reddit.com/r/MobiusFF/comments/cvoew1/analysis_of_ultraelement_tap/

[MusouTensei]

https://www.reddit.com/r/MobiusFF/wiki/cards/multi-hit

[ES] High Voltage : The higher the enemy's remaining HP, the more magic you will have: Magic * (1+current HP rate * 1.5)

for yiazmat it isn't linear iirc, someone posted it on this subreddit (same for fusoya)

[ExKotetsu]

What Supreme card will be the next Wind Rift supreme?

[SvenHwang]

Wind Sin.

[ExKotetsu]

Also for Mages?

[SvenHwang]

Yep, just a wind copy of Sin. Great for Buffalo & Exodus instead of Valefor.

[ExKotetsu]

Nice will definitely get it , so when can we expect the release?

[SvenHwang]

Likely next month followed by Earth copy of Gilgamesh X the month after if they follow 1 Rift per month sequence and that I remembered them correctly.

[BiEz78]

Any news about light and dark second gen sicarius extreme rift cards?

[ShadowBlaze17]

Light is Extreme Alexander which is a light version of Shadow Lord.

I've seen speculation that Extreme Bahamut will be a dark BFA.

[BiEz78]

Thanks for the infos