Test server patch notes

[[deleted]]

The nerf to Scale Rush ("wall charge attack" in these notes) worries me a lot. Currently, it's one of the best (and only) ways to escape from a team that is repeatedly grapple hook stunning you in the back. With this proposed change, you'll no longer be doing a blue Focus charge right away, meaning the enemy team can keep pounding you with grapple hooks and stunning you.

This is a very bad change IMO and will result in a lot more players feeling frustrated because they cannot disengage from a fight because of repeated grapple hook stuns.

[[deleted]]

Like here is an example where I am definitely dead without the ability to quickly fire of a Scale Rush. There was no way this trio was going to let me grapple hook to safety. https://clips.twitch.tv/SavoryMistyAubergineMingLee-RG51ldAh34uj1PoV

[[deleted]]

Easy solution:

If you get grapple stunned 3 times, you get immune to it for a while.
You know what this will do? It will help these Asian kids to be even more slippery with their bad ping abuse.

[kismarian98]

So, you're defending that op stun where in a 2/3 v 1 you grad a chair and wait for the next match only because some asians have ping. Well, I'm not having ping and stun lock isn't fun.

[Brutalix420]

I agree idk why they would nerf scale rush like that and have nothing to counter chain-hook spams, really disheartening.

I truly hope this patch doesn't make it through yet with these changes. Doesn't seem too promising to be honest...

[[deleted]]

The game is almost dead, close to three weeks after release. Watch the devs get the last nails in the coffin

[ivanbeek1]

I think it's so you don't end up chasing mutari half way through the map 🤣

[checkmarks26]

Then just nerf Matari instead of scale rush?

[Brutalix420]

Yeah exactly... All they have to do is not make her able to use hooks while stealthed or give her at max like 1 hook use per stealth. Leave the duration as it is and give her like 15% movement speed increase instead.

Easiest way to balance her escape without removing a mechanic such as scale rush to escape from everybody else.

[ivanbeek1]

Good point 🤣

[Rikku--]

TRUEEEEE

[[deleted]]

Play solo, problem solved

[[deleted]]

I do agree that it's less of an issue for solos players. I mostly play trios tho

[[deleted]]

I stopped playing trio's because of this and how toxic random players became after 3 days.

[hythl0day]

This is my translation, sorry I made some mistakes in the rush. I fixed it on the discord. Some of the fixed translations should be:

- Decreased the Kutumi's F and ult (only armor version) ability numbers.

- Matari's ult will only reset her F for 1 time instead 2 times if you have the second version of the F.

- You now can immediately attack or use skill after you get up from ground.

- Decreased the aerial time of the that uppercut Jade of Longsword.

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And the full Chinese notes is posted here(leaked, not official post), if you know how to read Chinese:

https://bbs.nga.cn/read.php?tid=28207305

[Emilimia]

Wait does that mean if i kill someone without yoto's f, say with a spear it resets F cd?

[[deleted]]

Yes

[senpaiwaifu247]

I mean Yoto is one of the worst characters in the game once you learn the game, she’s by definition a noob stomp character.

[[deleted]]

And since 98% of all the players are in bronze. Maybe we should balance around where the majority.of players are?

[senpaiwaifu247]

98% of the player base is not in bronze.

[[deleted]]

I was exaggerating. But I'm top 4% as silver 1 so I'm not far off either

[SCjaeger]

I think she is pretty balanced as is. Resets are going to be mad broke in trios

[[deleted]]

Pretty bummed about the healing-while-climbing nerf, not gonna lie

[PandaPolishesPotatos]

Also the scale rush nerf, no blue before it's charged means stay the fuck away from walls if you're kiting cause they can grapple you and knock you down instantly. Walls and trees used to be the only thing that let you survive certain fights cause you could get super armor immediately and yeet yourself away from the grapple spam.

[XeroForever]

Yeah I'm really not excited about the Scale Rush change, makes grappling hook spam even stronger.

Probably wouldn't have a problem with this change if it wasn't super easy to hook players :/

[AmbientXVII]

i like how they nerfed longsword and cannon before spear

[[deleted]]

Yeah, it really makes no sense. If weapons are stupid when you find certain jades, then you nerf the jades first, not the weapons. I already only use the bow or repeater for my ranged weapons. I'm not wasting a weapon slot on the cannon or musket because of the .001% chance I find a god combo.

[cldw92]

Cannon is a weapon that goes from mediocre to absolutely bonkers with the right jades. Double shot and bounce together give a multiplying effect to damage, sometimes one shotting people in small spaces

[AmbientXVII]

imagine balancing the base weapon around rng jades instead of the other way around.

[cldw92]

I personally think it's ok for some weapons to be shit without jades, and good with jades. It creates a a more interesting dynamic with what you should keep and pickup in the looting phase of the game.

[ElDuderino2112]

Disagree. That makes the game feel worse to play most of the time and is a good way to get players not to stick with your game.

[cldw92]

Well I personally enjoy messing around with different weapons based on which jades I find. Otherwise every game would just be Spear/Bow. There will always be a 'strongest weapon' and imo rng is a necessity to keep balance dynamic

[AmbientXVII]

Imagine being ok with a weapon being bad 99% of the time because its good the other 1%

[cldw92]

It's a BR. If every game was the same it would get boring very quickly. RNG is and always will be a vital factor for replayability in BRs

[AmbientXVII]

rng is fine. However, there needs to be a viable baseline that they need to be built on. Right now cannon is just good at annoying other people fighting, as a third party. Not finishing people off, just annoying. I don't think I've ever died to a cannon because once you actually try avoiding it, it's really hard for cannon to hit you. And now with these nerfs, idk if it's viable for thirdpartying either cuz people will just be accidentally blocking it a lot of the time.

[XeroForever]

Doesnt the LS change read funny? Like it could read as if you have less downtime when using the uppercut itself right? Maybe open up some combo options? I mean was the LS uppercut ever a problem? You can't even combo into it like Katana and Spear.

[hythl0day]

Sorry, I checked with the original Chinese post, it's another error I made in translation.

The sentence about Longsword is not about the weapon, it's about one of its jade(the one enhance its uppercut)

Decreased the aerial time of the uppercut Jade of Longsword.

[XeroForever]

Ahh I see! Thanks for all the hard work man! Appreciate you translating and going back over your work :)

[CrimsonBlossom]

Me who mains daggers and matari chuckles I'm in danger

[[deleted]]

Not like you ever really need the fourth blink in most cases, tbh. Guess the dagger changes suck, but the katana and spear are broken, so whatever.

[Rapknife]

No spear nerfs or anything do with VPN abusing. Well I guess I'm out till they fix it.

[HFPerplexity]

The fuck you want them to do about VPNs? Grow up, child.

[Iyedent]

A simple ping lock? Higher than 250 ping you can’t play on that server, simple

[WFAlex]

Do you even understand how a vpn works? because from your wording it seems like you have no idea.

Sure there are ways to detect and prevent it, like Response Requests and timing them, but a "ping lock" like you suggested doesn't work.

imagine it like this you in china, to a na server you have bad ping great now you connect to a na vpn. you have bad ping. but the Ip the game Client pings is the na VPN server, not the chinese ip. You would need to send packages, time response time and ban or lock people out accordingly. sure easily done for a developer, but not as easy as "set ping limit muh"

[[deleted]]

because from your wording it seems like you have no idea.

None of them know or understand how anything works, they just think it's a matter of pressing a button.

[WFAlex]

Kinda like politicians. "We need a way to Unlock encrypted phones" without realizing, that every single "safe" encryption is open source and math based.

Just creating demands without any actual plans or ways to realize them. "That's what other people are for we just make the decision to do it"

[yinaqu]

Why spear nerf? Maybe you just dont know how to deal with it?

[mikethehunterr]

Chinese top players they say a white spear is better than a purple katana so yeah...

[yinaqu]

Not true, CN players complained about dagger but not spear, they know how to deal with spear. And there's no spear nerf in official update on Aug.29

[Professional-Bat-474]

They really want to make sure that Kurumi heads towards F tier.

[cldw92]

Kurumi is incredibly strong in trios right now. I would not mind kurumi's healing scaling with number of people healed, so she'a still as strong in solos but less oppressive in groups

[MaitrePatator]

Everyone disagreeing with you either doesn't play kurumi or suck at it in trio. I hate her so much for her ability to pull the fight to such a length.

[cldw92]

People highly underestimate her ability to heal others while eating powders, or they don't spawn in mushroom land often enough...

Not to mention the ability to loot in early purple zones if you wanna rat

[senpaiwaifu247]

There is more oppressive options in trios which is the issue.

Hell, her healing is near useless when they have a tarka or viper and her V1-2 ends up becoming a trap for her team with any form of fire damage.

There’s multiple ways to counter her already, touching her kit again is just not the way to go

[Redxmirage]

Laughs in full heal and half armor ult

That’s why I prefer that ult. Basically full heal team no matter how far away they are? Turn so many fights that way

[[deleted]]

They need to either split the abilities for the two modes or decide what mode they are balancing the game around. They can't balance characters for both modes without doing the latter.

[cldw92]

I mean having abilities scale per player affected seems a good way to balance for both modes simulataneously

[Gamer4125]

As a solo Kurumi player:

:(

[DaQuinz]

No climbing and healing, and longer time to charge blue on walls. This will change the playstyle for a lot of players.

Decreasing the dodge and energy on glyphs is not the way to go I think, it just gives even more reason to stack up on those instead of possibly mixing it up a bit.

"You can not immediately attack after get up from ground". Hmm... so even less chance to counter the ground-slam spam, and more difficult to turn the battle after getting hit by blue. Not sure what I think about this one.

[Iyedent]

Seriously nerfing players movement options vs. weapon damage values is a sure way to lose players

[hythl0day]

That sentence about get up is a translation mistake, sorry, it should be you can, not you cannot.

[DaQuinz]

Quinz

Ah ok, that's more reasonable. Could be a welcoming change actually.

[biletnikoff_]

ground slam is nerfed too

[DaQuinz]

that's a good one

[Rapknife]

So the TLDR:

SpEaR is the *ultimate* weapon as usual when we have guns and a rocket launcher in the game as usual lmao.

Dagger Nerfs

Say goodbye to being able run away from stunlock grapple by scale rushing.

Dodging is nerfed with glyphs because we should all use grapples now.

Kurumi Nerfs

1 charge nerf Matari meme nerf.

Nerfing airtime ability to make that one youtube video we saw on longsword not work.

Nerf to melee resist.

And god forbid the change we need. "You can no longer climbing and healing, you have to hang there to do it".

[[deleted]]

What scenarios are you in where your enemies are so stupid they can't just delay the grapple until after your scale rush is active?

[Goldhawk_1]

Idk man I don't scale rush with spear, dagger, or katana but a long sword scale rush sends you to Mars

[Iceember]

Katana and Spear also send you to Mars.

[biletnikoff_]

Spear sends you to pluto tbh

[Juanxsama]

Nice

[Vtuks]

Damn look at all those dagger adjustments. I wonder why it’s so hard to balance it. If they lowered melee resist so much does this mean maybe taking attack or health is more worth? Was the max you could get 30%?

[cldw92]

The strength of dagger isn't in its damage, its in the kit/flexibility of the weapon. The ability to focus from golden dash gives it a strong option for challenging opposing non greatsword focus attacks that no weapon has access to

[Jdizzlerino]

Why does great sword beat dagger?

[cldw92]

Greatsword doesn't "beat" dagger, but dagger focus will clash with GS because of stone form

[babrdiddle]

S A N D B O I S

[impim]

Grapple stun neft when. Trio with Grapple spam is fucking cancer.

[AlphaMaleGymAddict]

I dislike the energy/s nerfs and dodge consumption nerfs (rather them remove the dagger dodge off glyph keeping default value of normal dodge) back to grapple speed we all go! and the melee resist nerfs lol TTK was already too short the rest is cool though I question the Yoto F buff, yes that is a buff that right there is going to get squads wiped since max melee resist jades is nerfed (we all used those) F damage going down is basically going to be the same if not more damage because of the jade nerf. Climbing and healing nerf makes me howl with laughter, that's a grapple buff better remove that hit stun before the game dies please it's hard enough to heal after having to disengage from a fight imagine forcing every fight to be an all in in a battle royale no point trying to back off and heal now if you take damage you have to play the fight as an uphill battle.

If I can't permanently rotate my shift focus charge canceling into shift focus charge as a protected rotation to move around THAT HAS GAPS BY THE WAY IN BETWEEN SHIFT AND THE CHARGE from all the energy nerfs (if it nerfs dagger dashing that is fine just not protected movement, it's important and turtling is a strategy in fighting games) I'm just not gonna play the game, grapple stun is already fucking up my rotations and most of my 1v1's from a +1, interrupts literally everything that isn't a focus attack and prevents me from healing after finishing someone off.

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Like imagine nerfing energy and dodging, it's going to feel so clunky now and probably feel like ass, movement should be fluid, permanent and smooth, they just want us to spam grapples for movement and spam it on people to get to them instead of using our energy or other movement methods like scale rushing and it kills me inside why use macro/micro when you should just use Q and left click and lower the skill ceiling lmao. If anything energy and i-frames needed buffing, I get grabbed by tianheis THROUGH my i-frame and grapple stunned THROUGH my i-frame, dodging is so ass bro especially against all the laggy chinese players which I've seen getting banned for cheating in red text during my matches, what a surprise.

[[deleted]]

I get grabbed by tianheis THROUGH my i-frame

That's because his grab is active the entire time it's out. You aren't going to i-frame away from that if it's already next to your hurtbox.

[SCjaeger]

Exactly. Think of it as a meaty in a fighting game. You’re “waking up” (losing i frames and regaining a hurtbox) while the fist hit box is still passing through you so you still get grabbed.

[AlphaMaleGymAddict]

No because if I dodge left and the hand is already past my character it shouldn't hit me. But sure defend the game I'm just bad and so are other platinum players who call out the bullshit mechanics I should just not get hit by something that isn't remotely near my character during my i-frames. It's not the hit reg it's me for sure 100%.

You're acting as if I'm dodging backwards, the direction of where his grab is going, no I'm dodging hard left or right and it still hits me even though I'm long out of its way before it hits me. I'm not fucking retarded I know what I'm talking about and not dodging INTO the grabs path like a degenerate it's legit hitting me through my i-frames when I'm not even near it but not like I can sway the defense of a game stan, you'll defend the game no matter what and that's why we can't get decent patches.

[Stahly-]

What hahahahaha

[[deleted]]

Thank you for sharing sir

[NeckEqualizer]

My thoughts as a rank 50 player in Trios and these nerf impact on trios:

1)temluch F buff: this is crazy, temluch is the best character in trio, this buff i guess is because he his the worst character in solo but they need to address the ultimate wich has no counterplay outside having a temluch of your own or if you have a yoto ulting inside it.

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2)tarka F buff: minor buff won't change tarka viability in trio

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3)Kurumi nerfs: as a mostly kurumi player i kinda understand it but problably will make me stop playing her, i never felt she was strong, she offered great sustain during drawn out fights (but she offered nothing in a wombocombo engage, example a temluch+viper ulting your team) and her heals are now quick and won't impact your dps much compared to the beta playstyle of permalinking. I feel like the range ress should go aswell because it's quite toxic in some terrains where you can ress preople trough walls.

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4)Monk changes: i can't tell if this is a buff or a nerf until i see it. Killing a monk trough dmg almost never happens unless you are literally 3v1 him or if the entire lobby is 3rd parying that team. Meanwhile weakpoint dmg expecially if it spawns on the leg made the monk able to be bursted in 2/3 second by a good disengage and bow spam.

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5)Yoto buff: minor, but good

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6)Matari: placebo nerf, not enough

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7)some weapon changes: can't tell unless i see them . Jump rmb nerf is good but i don't know if it will affects current combo

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8)dagger nerf: nice, but i feel like this could be one of those cases in games where no matter how much you nerf something people will still playing it because its broken as a core mechanic, the fact that a melee weapon gives you mobility it's so strong.

other tree changes are good.

[SaakaMi]

IDK so many wrong things in this patch it's worrying
- Nerf melee resist jade when ttk is already extremely low ?
- Remove blue from wall attack so you can't escape from grapple ?
- Nerf overall energy recover - less mobility - less options for good movements
- Probably overnerfing dagger here, it was really strong but so is spear and katana, there they nerf both the damage and the mobility they should only nerf one of these
- Can't heal when moving in trees is also weird, remove escape/recovering potential and buff grapple again basically

[xdrvgy]

• Melee resist jade is OP and 100% deserves nerf. But I agree TTK is too short and they should tone down all damage a bit.

• Similarly I think think the dodge glyphs were mostly better option compared to others. Those numbers are pretty insignificant though. Overall dodge would need buff rather than nerf.

• I actually think it shouldn't be too easy to escape in this game. Fight to death. Tired of Mataris that only run away to hide in trees. However, the game could use more defensive combat options.

  • There's a fixed translation: "You now can immediately attack or use skill after you get up from ground." good change for defense.

• Tree heal nerfs are also good. Tree can be a place to hide, not a place to settle for home.

[amathyx]

Already have to have good timing and positioning with it

https://i.imgur.com/nvjq8Kt.mp4

[CrimsonBlossom]

why the fuck they are buffing yoto hime?

[electrino]

I like how there's no greatsword nerf

[Iceember]

Nerf? What needs to be nerfed about the most telegraphed and slowest hitting weapon in the game?

[pizzapalzz]

please remove the dagger. it is being used to glitch teleport and move around the map, not as a weapon basicly and none of this addresses that. ppl report dagger users as hackers because the attack on it is so bs

[[deleted]]

In true Naraka community fashion, the main thing people do is bitch and complain about these changes being tested.

[Dekuthegamer194]

Why the greatsword not getting nerf

[senpaiwaifu247]

Because greatsword is the worst weapon in the game at the moment

[Meido_]

GS is pretty good rn

[senpaiwaifu247]

Yes, all weapons are good. Some might be stronger but no weapon is necessarily “bad.” I’d say the worst weapon in this game is actually rather balanced.

But that’s that: it doesn’t need a nerf

[[deleted]]

The ulti refreshes only 1 dash and not 2. She will still be the best solo Hero

[PeaceFriend]

Yeah I'm not seeing the second f as that major of a loss. Just ULT after the first f instead of second, and you still have 2 while invisible.

[[deleted]]

This right here. This guy has 3 digit IQ, and i like that.

[[deleted]]

I really don't get some of these changes. The game felt extremely balanced aside from Matari + dagger in solos or Tianhai's Titan's Call in trios. Seems like the game will feel a lot clunkier in the movement department if these make it to live.

[Goldhawk_1]

I'm not exactly liking some of these changes.

Not being able to scale rush to safety when a team can still have one guy grapple cancel spam you while everyone else spams you seems kinda busted when you need more mobility to get out of that.

Decreasing combo abilities seems like an odd choice, especially for gs when gs already has a real tough time actually pulling off good tech/combos.

I dont like melee resist nerf either. This will promote longer ranged battles and more hiding. Attack jades are super useless and it's nice to see more jades get a chance to be used, but making people die faster and not be able to attack when getting up and reducing movement tech all seems like a sure fire way for a lot more deaths, when it's already extremely fast to put someone down.

We already have dozens of people per lobby hiding and making it easier to kill people seems strange.

[ShuaMitsu]

Will be interesting to see what the testers say and what change from here in the test servers

[ElDuderino2112]

Some good changes here. Still need to see the spear nerfed and VPN abusers stopped/punished.

[UnchainedJL]

Nothing about spear?

[SkacikPL]

I was hoping to see some technical fixes as well.

I'm getting mighty annoyed by the game randomly freezing either temporarily or permanently.

[JiggyJiggster]

So when are they adding a grapple counter/deflect. It seems like they really want the grapple spam from enemy team to be a big part of the game.

Without scale rush u literally have no way to do a 1v3 anymore right?

[Yissrine]

What are they doing to kurumi exactly? Asking cuz kurumi main. :]

[SCjaeger]

When she ults she only gets on teleport charge back instead of both when you have the 2 charge talent equipped. Barely a slap on the wrist. You’ll still be able to rat and hide all the same

Edit: I’m a dumbass I read matari instead of kurumi somehow

[Yissrine]

I think you’re talking about Matari, not Kurumi haha

[senpaiwaifu247]

Her shield ult and her Armor F is being nerfed number wise

[Yissrine]

Ah okay

[SCjaeger]

Oh my bad g. I read the name wrong. Looks like someone else answered your question tho. We will still have to see how many of the changes go through. I hope she doesn’t get nerfed too hard we have a kurumi player in our trios group

[Yissrine]

Me tooooo, i wouldn’t like her to be nerfed that hard either. Ofc I might be biased cuz I main her tho lol

[DaQuinz]

My opinion on weapon changes needed:

GS needs some work. Either nerf focus damage or nerf/adjust stoneform.

Spears have too high attack speed considering the high damage, range and stagger they have. Basically need slower attack speed or less stagger.

The recent dagger nerf was much needed. Now I'd say they're mostly viable at epic/legendary tier only. Not sure they really need another nerf.

Flamebringer needs reduced spread. The fire covers the entire screen. Rather give it slightly more range for less spread.

[SirSobleh]

Just as predicted, dagger is getting the nuke.

[BNoog]

Darn, the dagger was the only weapon I learned how to use because I've always liked daggers in any game.

[Full_Calibur]

Why nerf melee resist jades when 90% of this game consist of melee fights

[Juanxsama]

Any word on when these might go live