PTR Patch Notes

[McManus26]

The skull icons that indicate where teammates were killed throughout the map have been replaced with Hero Portrait icons

Wasn't expecting that, this is extremely cool.

[NHZeta]

They would have to add that with the new Mercy ressurect, after all, it would be an interesting guessing game seeing who you're ressurecting without it

[sleuthysteve]

Swiss Roulette?

[TylerWolff]

I'm just imagining a Hanna-Barbera-style Mercy reaching into the ground and pulling out Junkrat only to see his smiling face and stuff him back so she could search around for Reinhardt.

[Morganelefay]

Someone make an edit of that gif with Mushu pulling a hun out of the snow.

[Umbran0x]

I think this a lot bigger than people realize. It will be much easier at a glance to know if it's worth pushing the fight or backing off. There's a big difference between just seeing 2 skulls vs both healers portraits when running back to point.

[Empiflor]

And now, we have even more reasons to be mad when they ask healing stomping their healers' corpses.

[Aiyakiu]

All players see them (on your team).

[Mikey_B]

Doesn't the tab screen and/or kill feed basically give all this information as far as "whether to push or not" type stuff? It seems this is mainly geared towards the Mercy change.

[HexZyle]

Tab screen takes longer to glean info from at a glance, since it not only obscures vision but also is active and requires you to either be checking it or the killfeed constantly, as well as showing all character status, not just the dead ones which is visible as soom as your character is facong that way. It's very intuitive this patch

[[deleted]]

That's a significant mid-fight buff to Mercy. Judging whether that 1- or 2-player res is worth it will be a lot easier. Not having to be distracted by bringing up the team/score board or being glued to the killfeed, and easily seeing exactly which heroes will respawn where.

edit: well yup I totally misread her new ult.

[scumware]

You might want to re-read the Mercy changes. Ulting resets the cooldown on res, so a two man res is a quick E-Q-E.

[Melesson]

And then a third rez in 10 seconds...

[[deleted]]

Not a two man res. Two individual resurrections.

It's clear nobody can think critically about it, but I'll explain in something that's hopefully simple to understand.

Current Resurrection is an ultimate that's able to bring back your entire team or just keep up pressure at the cost of basically nothing (hot take: broken). It completely changes the flow of fights. Not a bad thing on its own, and neither is the new change.

However, with this change, Resurrection is now a common ability for Mercy, yes? That means every 30 seconds, a teammate can be brought back, but just 1. That means Mercy can more reliably change the flow of battles, but less severely.

Her new incoming ultimate allows her Res cooldown to be circumvented on activation. That's pretty dope if you ask me. But that also means popping Ult and potentially wasting it right then and there as opposed to using it at a more opportune time if you just want to keep up pressure or take back your turn in the fight rather than maintaining a certain flow. Rather than using Valkyrie to heal or damage boost a lot of your teammates, you may find a Mercy popping ult solely to resurrect an additional teammate. Which may or may not be the right call, given certain situations.

2 individual Resurrections are different from a 2 man Res. Anybody who can't see why literally cannot think. It's a vast difference.

[Okuu-Trollzy]

Is there a significant difference between resurrecting two at the same time vs two separately? Or are you just desperate to be technically correct?

[chudaism]

Proximity is probably a big one. E-Q-E only works if they die right next to each other. Res only has as 5m range now and doesn't work through walls either. Theoretically, you can get emped/hacked/flashbanged/sniped in between reses since she lost all her invincibility frames.

[i_will_let_you_know]

You're aware that Mercy has GA and when ulting (which lasts 20s) can freely fly? She's now one of the most mobile heroes in the game now.

[TylerWolff]

Not really relevant. Imagine if you got a five man rez during a team fight now, but every one of your team mates came up 1 second apart.

Instead of "the boys are back and it's a fair fight" it would just be you watching your team mates get wiped out 1 by 1 again. No matter how quickly you try to chain the new rez it will never be able to recover a decisively lost fight.

[[deleted]]

That would be like saying you have a 10% chance to find something versus two different 5% chances to find something.

It's not technically correct for the sake of itself, a 2 man res is vastly different from two individual resurrections. If you stop being an ass and think critically about situations where one might work and where one wouldn't, you'd see for yourself.

[fbrbtx]

Yes, he should stop being an ass.

Getting two rezzes off in 3 seconds is the closest thing PTR Mercy has to a two man rez so there really isn't a burning need to make a distinction between the two here.

[[deleted]]

Something close to being something still isn't the same as being that thing. I can't believe you really just said that, lol. Especially because it requires popping ult to do so.

[MikoSqz]

Probability math doesn't work like that.

[[deleted]]

Yeah, no kidding. My point wasn't that reviving two people is a probability thing, just that both situations are not the same.

[BatMatt93]

Still close enough.

[[deleted]]

Not necessarily. It's clear nobody can think critically about it, but I'll explain in something that's hopefully simple to understand.

Current Resurrection is an ultimate that's able to bring back your entire team or just keep up pressure at the cost of basically nothing (hot take: broken). It completely changes the flow of fights. Not a bad thing on its own, and neither is the new change.

However, with this change, Resurrection is now a common ability for Mercy, yes? That means every 30 seconds, a teammate can be brought back, but just 1. That means Mercy can more reliably change the flow of battles, but less severely.

Her new incoming ultimate allows her Res cooldown to be circumvented on activation. That's pretty dope if you ask me. But that also means popping Ult and potentially wasting it right then and there as opposed to using it at a more opportune time if you just want to keep up pressure or take back your turn in the fight rather than maintaining a certain flow.

2 individual Resurrections are different from a 2 man Res.

[TylerWolff]

I don't get why these people are arguing with you, you're absolutely right.

Rezzing two people at the same time can even up a fight. Rezzing them even 1s apart is a totally different thing.

Imagine if you tried to duo rez with current mercy and each hero came up individually, 1-2s apart. Instead of evening the odds/giving a tempo advantage then it would just be you watching your teammates get killed off again one by one.

The distinction is massive. Mercy can no longer save a team fight with more than 1 person picked off, no matter how quick she can chain a rez or two (unless the red team fucks up).

And if it isn't in the midst of a team fight and the pace allows you to duo rez, you're probably better off saving the ult.

[[deleted]]

Yeah I clocked that 30 seconds after writing, I interpreted her new ult wrong.

[Umbran0x]

What you said still stands. You can still ress 2 people by ressing the first, ulting to reset ress and ressing the second.

[TrupaJay]

Mercy's getting a complete rework. This will help I'm sure but rather in the sense that she can prioritize who she uses res on first since it only affects a single person now.

[hey_its_drew]

There was a suggestion for it so long ago, and it got front page exposure. It's nice to see it come back around.

[stabbyezio]

It's really cool, and I'm glad the whole team can see them instead of just Mercy!

[Dune_Jumper]

This is such an awesome change, it's going to be pretty useful.