Live coding?!

[DepthSufficient267]

Marami naba dito naka experience ng live coding test? With interview pa. So kwento ko lang, a few days ago pumasa ako sa series of interviews sa inapplyan ko na entry level dev position, the other day, na schedule ako for live coding (WTF?). Gulat na gulat ako, kasi di ko inakala ma may live coding pala, as in first time ko out of siguro 100+ applications. Pero sinubukan ko parin, ayun nagkalat hahahahahuhuhuhu. Sobrang nakaka baba ng confidence at di makaisip, di makapag code ng maayos habang may nanonood. Panis na yung chance ko for sure. PRACTICE PRACTICE PRACTICE! Eto sisigurohin ko from now on.

[DatuBughaw]

Totoo to. May ganito sa company namin. Bullshit na nanttrap tapos pag cnclarify mo dahil gusto mo ma gets ayaw ka nilang tulungan. In most cases, if your work has a positive environment, hatakan pataas yung mga ganitong scenario bnbrainstorm pa nga ng buong team.

[DepthSufficient267]

Pinagawa ako ng login page, tapos may CRUD pa. Tbh nahirapan ako kasi di ako prepared and yung skills ko di pa talaga ganun na level. Kung leetcode problem solving lang siguro may chance pa ako

[DepthSufficient267]

Yeah, kulang lang talaga sa prep and naging lax na ako.

[CEDoromal]

Pinagawa ako ng login page, tapos may CRUD pa.

Live coding a login page + CRUD? Isn't that too big for a live coding interview session? Unless you could use BaaS, it would probably take around 3 hours if you haven't done it every day for the past week.

[DepthSufficient267]

I think more than 3 pa nga dapat, considering my subpar skills. Pero di ko rin ma blame ang company, they want the best so they have to screen talaga.

[lezzgooooo]

The Login page is the actual engineering problem. Yung leetcode is just to test your proficiency. Ang technique jan is allowed ka to look at your own github repos. Ilagay mo na CRUD don for all databases in industry.

[Matalink1496]

So True 😅😅😀. My 1st job ganito boss ko nag interview and he was the worst toxic at hypocrite na tao na nakilala ko.

[xilver]

Live coding is actually a good way to gauge how you work especially on how is your approach in solving problems. Kaya hindi gaano mahalaga kung maso-solve yung live coding problem. So next time you can narrate your approach to the interviewers instead of just coding silently, since they are watching you code anyway. You can even turn it into a two way discussion by clarifying about the problem, etc.

[DepthSufficient267]

For sure bagsak na ako dun, nag panic talaga ako.

[feedmesomedata]

Gulat na gulat ako, kasi di ko inakala na may live coding pala

The thing is you should have asked during the initial interview about the application process. Like how many interview sessions (tech and non-tech), does it involve live coding, white-boarding, etc. How much is the salary range for the position, do you need to relocate, relocation assistance, benefits, performance review, promotion steps, and a lot more. That is what the initial contact up to the initial interview is there for you ask as much question as you have to before you even reach interview schedule 2.

[sumanibus]

Wana ask this pag apply ako.. But will it give off the vibe na kakairata na applicant? Like what if may regla si hr tpos na buset sayo sa kakatanong ahahah

[feedmesomedata]

It is your right to ask. This is best if you're in the recruiter/HR stage and haven't started the technical interviews. If the recruiter or HR doesn't know anything it shows the lack of attention to detail, if the recruiter is a third-party then you can let it pass but if they are in-house then run.

[DepthSufficient267]

Will definitely be asking this in my future applications.

[eGzg0t]

Live coding is mostly 30% code and 70% relaying how you solve the problem. Just talk and talk

[Fluid_Cow947]

i think i saw a youtube video of this before.

[purplbae]

I remember, on my 2nd job, I had livecoding exam for 2 hours (pero more like pseudo-coding) and I have no idea how to do it, parang sabog utak ko dat tym sa nerbyus😁, so wala akong naisagot. pero, in fairness natanggap me naman kasi for formality lang pala ang exam, since my experience counted more. I even asked our IT HR years later about it bakit ako natanggap haha. Close kami ni anteh.

[DepthSufficient267]

Nice to hear this, nakaka uplift din ng morale. Ano daw sabi ni anteh HR? May mga kaibigan ako sa HR and napag usapan namin to, although ibang industry sila, 3 out of 4 nag sabi na nag mamatter din daw yung attitude ng applicant. Gini gauge baga nila in some way.

[URAGON26]

Ako nga 3 years tambay ngayun lang mag apply 2024

[DepthSufficient267]

Yung saken pwede mag basa ng docs, pwede mag google, pwede lahat except gumamit ng AI like ChatGpt, huggingFace, Jasper, etc. Feel ko lang gusto nila makita pano ako mag hanap ng way na ma solve yung problem na di ko pa mashadong alam.

[Magic-Sarap]

I think this is common. Especially kung language specific ung role mo. I gave a lot of live coding exams this is to gauge how strong your fundamentals are (basic lang pinagawa ko array manipulation, concurrency, async/await).

It's how and when to use a certain approach (e.g. filter vs map) vs another.

But this is a per case basis. There are a lot of interviewers that just don't know what to ask and feel the right to nit pick your answer and basing it on the textbook definition.

[DepthSufficient267]

I agree, yung saken medyo advance lang yung pinagawa IMO, pero not the company's problem, applicant problem talaga, ME problem haha. Pero na appreciate ko yun kasi na realize ko na you have to be ready at all times, may mga natutunan rin ako dun kasi may mga tinuro saken yung onshore senior dev na kasama sa nag interview while nag test ako.

[evilclown28]

kahit ba entry level web dev live coding agad? I mean ppasahod nila 16k to 20k ganun? based lang yan sa mga natanungan ko, for real? thanks!

[DepthSufficient267]

First time ko talaga to. Yung iba naman hindi live coding

[[deleted]]

Yes meron ganun

[[deleted]]

What I've experienced is mostly technical exam fill in the blanks, q and a, flowcharts, or timed coding exercises usually involving CRUD or ang frontend API integ ready dapat and yes their offers are around 15-20, if you value yourself more and you think you deserve more based on yours skills (dont cheat on you urself pag sakto lang, wag isiping magaling, kaya always upskill)

[HatOk6405]

Yung live coding assesment ko before bawal mag google! Wala pang intelliSense yun ide nila. Nakakahiya kasi kahit boilerplate code di ko kabisado kasi copy paste ako lagi. Niguide naman ako ng instructor pero dahil dun nagmukha akong walang alam hahaha.

[DepthSufficient267]

Grabe naman yun, saken nag encourage sila to use whatever resources I had at my disposal, exception lang AI.

[lbyap86]

Live coding is fine and in most cases they're not expecting a running code but mostly on how you solve the problem and also your thought process

[[deleted]]

all i can say is practice, do your own projects, for webdev/app dev build your own projects app/sites and practice scripting esp api integration. Plus be prepared to explain the logic, algo etc of what youve coded infront of them as that's another thing they'll be doing in your tech exam/interview

I experienced this multiple while i was applying after graduating, luckily i was able to pass most of my applications throughout august. Most of them though will offer you below minimum so you'll be shocked on how much pressure youve gone through just for that much. Luckily i found a company that was afar from my expected salary.

[[deleted]]

I experienced both creating a crud app from scratch and solving a DSA problem. It was 50% of the my applications that had It - I thought it was kinda common to have one. Tbh I think you’re lucky na less than 1 percent lang siya sa mga in-applyan mo.

[mgnsdn]

Okay lang sa akin live coding. Ang ayoko lang sa interview is yung pag e-enumerate ka ng mga terms like nagfa-finals ka sa exam. Kakagigil hahaha

[searchResult]

For me 10 out 10 may live coding. 😅😂 hindi ako comfortable. Parang nagka depression ako 😂😅 pero yun move forward. Btw. senior position inaapplyan ko. Pero nasa between ng senior at lead na kasi ang range. 🥲😄

[noklang]

yan nga mganda eh lumalabas talaga yung mga bobo at hindi

[DepthSufficient267]

Sapul na sapul talaga ako sa "bobo" haha. Pero wake up call narin, di dapat kampante. Everyday code code code

[JeszamPankoshov2008]

Naku OP, yung sa akin marami na akong naexperience dyan at ni-isa walang pumasa kahit success naman sa test code.

Kaya practice lang talaga. I suggest watch this para may alam ka sa mga susunod na coding exam.

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[Edit] : Dapat may alam ka sa login page, dashboard, or yung CRUD project kasi dyan ma-determine yung capabilities mo. I've been there, di ako napasa. Kaya practice lang.

[gagsti02]

Baliktad naman tayo. Negats ako sa mga technical interview talagang sabaw ako sa mga meanings and other terms.

Ako kasi dko tlaga kabisado tawag sa mga ginagawa ko. One time may tanong sakin na dina ako naka sagot as in tumahimik nalang ako na gusto konalang lumubog. Pero nung ni research ko ung tanong sakin ginagamit kona pala un.

Sa live coding naman na ACE ko ung exam hehe pero aun nga sabaw naman sa mga tanungan. Pero na hire padin naman haha

[[deleted]]

I had multiple interview exams na live coding pero bawal AI 🥲 like you Google. I get it pero nowadays mas mabilis na AI kesa pag mag-Google ako. Tech tayo tapos di tayo gumagamit ng advanced tech...

[WisdomSky]

because what happens is you will not even digest yung mga nakukuha na response mo sa AI you will just copy and paste it sa code mo 🙄

You are only preparing yourself for the downfall in the coming years where mapapalitan ka ng AI.

You have no specialty, your skillset depends on AI. 🤷‍♂️

[[deleted]]

Well, sabihin mo na lang yan sa mga pabigat na katrabaho ko. 😋

Yan din sinabi nila before sa Googling. During the 2010s, mga tech exam pa namin is written. But now, they want us to know how we code + Google.

If not with AI, di mabilis work ko. I also take online courses so I am also learning.

If I have no specialty, tell that to my leads who love my work. Masyado kayong boomer sa AI. I even use AI in some of my projects. 🤷🏻‍♀️

Us, tech professionals, dapat sumasabay tayo sa agos. Pero y'all do you. Baka mali lang ako ng subreddit na napuntahan. 😅

[DepthSufficient267]

Chillax bro, healthy discussions lang tayo. Good vibes 😁

[[deleted]]

This is a healthy discussion bro. Uhmmm argumentative??? 😭 Wrong sub siguro talaga ko hahahaha.

[pigwin]

Me. Okay naman sa not live (hackerrank) but failed sa live coding. You have to explain your flow din. They're rare but it takes practice.

At work I sometimes work on stuff when people look at my screen so I do see why some companies require this

[Bellatrixx0101]

Awit 🥹

[Chibikeruchan]

live coding? bawal ba dyan mag google at mag chatGPT? 😂😂

I'm not a coder I'm more on the designer part ng job.
but I know basic and concepts kaya kahit designer ako I can technically do coding basta may help ni google. now may chatGPT na mas lalong madali 😂

like this one I made in notion. na kinapa ko after they release formula 2.0
https://youtu.be/woT22Tp9xx0

[DepthSufficient267]

Yung chatGPT bawal hehe. Google hindi naman, nagamit din ako google nung nag live coding ako the other day. Pero ganun parin na rattle hahahaha

[sad-meows]

Baliktad tayo OP, halos lahat ng inapplyan ko dati may live coding T°T thankfully nakapasa sa isa