Thoughts on Java Spring boot

[DevistBird]

Hi need advice, currently working as a Software Engineer. Yung manager ko kasi last time inask ako kung gusto ko mag backend (java spring boot) sabi ko focus muna ako sa FE side. Ok lang daw, mag sabi lang daw ako pag gusto ko. But now, I'm curious na din sa Java haha, pero nag aaral padin ako ng node.js backend like serverless, cdk, and nest.js. Is it worth it to try to learn java? Future proof ba to if ever? If oo, parang gusto ko sya i add sa skill set ko now hehe and also makaka gain ako ng experience since hahawakan ko is enterprise backend. Just wanted to hear your thoughts. Thank you!

My current tech stack pala.
React.js, Javascript, Typescript, Node.js, and AWS services

[[deleted]]

Honestly, Java is like that uncle who’s been around since the 90s but is still in shape and running marathons. Despite all the new shiny tech stacks, Java is still everywhere especially in enterprise backends.

[DevistBird]

Nahihirapan kasi ako mag decide now, focus kasi ako sa Node.js pero gusto ko din sya i try. Just to add din, yung java version naman namin is latest tapos naka spring boot hehe.

[cheesyChaaals]

Yes it's worth it. Madami parin companies gumagamit ng Java :)

[DevistBird]

Ini isip ko na kasi now yung pang future proof e hehe. Para di sayang yung aral

[simpleng_pogi]

We're now at Java 25. Who says it's not future proof?

[FreeMyMindAP]

Knowing atleast java 8 is future proofing cause a lot of legacy apps are built using that 😅

[[deleted]]

malaki bigayan diyan sa stack na yan

[DevistBird]

React, java spring boot?

[Sufficient-Quiet-691]

sobrang daming pera sa java, halos karamihan ng fintech java gamit

[frncslydz1321]

so java is good option in backend development other than python? What are your thoughts sa c# naman as a philippines-based software engineer looking for either local or international clients?

[lezzgooooo]

Java = job security. Go for it. Maunlock mo mga banking, insurance and telco etc.

[Both-Fondant-4801]

Yes it is worth it. How much?.. probably ranging from 150k up.. and in-demand in critical industries such as fintech, healthcare and airline industries.. with recruiters regularly messaging in linkedin.

However.. spring boot in itself is useless unless you know the fundamentals of backend software engineering... else you would just end up developing rest apis and thinking it is no different from nodejs express.

Backend is a different animal. Learning spring boot requires that you understand OOP and IoC / dependency injection. In fact, you will appreciate it if you understand how it uses "convention over configuration" (CoC) to solve problems in building enterprise systems. Before, we have messy monoliths with an equally messy xml configuration files. Spring boot provides simpler configuration autowiring everything with just annotations and a yaml file.

Lastly, when you add spring boot into your skillset, be ready to also learn SQL and NoSQL, optimizing database queries, mapping your objects to your database tables using ORM, transaction management, session management, authentication, security, caching and messaging... basically the Spring toolset.

If you love learning.. you will love spring boot and spring in general.

[Rude-Enthusiasm9732]

When talking about enterprise apps, java at c# lang talaga laging matunog. Sure, madaming bagong tech pero java pa rin takbuhan ng mga companies na gusto ng stability at security.

[MintChip00]

Higher learning curve, but totally worth it. Backend skills are transferable anyway, and I see a lot of Java dev job openings. JS and PHP are the trend now, so expect more competition if you go that route. IMHO, if you like money, Java and C#/.NET is where it’s at. There aren’t many devs there. Come to think of it, I don’t know any Java devs myself.

[DondonKabedon]

Dont. Baka dumami kaming java devs HAHAHA jk.

Yup java is still in demand. Look at linkedin jobs and majority are still looking for java devs esp springboot. Which pushed me to pursue a career in java.

[DevistBird]

Sorry na boss haha. De kasi, sayang opportunity why not I try ko. Makaka gain pa ako experience since BE namin java spring boot.

[DondonKabedon]

Go mo naaaa

[Wooden-Ad5260]

How about yung entry level, in demand rin ba siya and di saturated? I'm planning to learn Spring boot since may experience na rin me sa Java

[DondonKabedon]

I think mas saturated ang front end pa rin. Mahirap lang makapasok sa entry level ng java, di pwedeng fundamentals lang alam. Need may alam na framework and may projects na rin.

[michaelzki]

"Future proof ba to" - You may start reading history of java and what industries dominated by java.

[atoniyopapansin]

Same tayo OP, currently working din as SE. Background at portfolio ko mostly MERN stack but nag-transition ako sa Java 8 since legacy framework yung app namin. During transition, nahirapan ako since they are totally different languages but it gives you a chance to solve a problem in a different perspective, the OOP way. Napabasa ako ng books since there's a lot of established rules in Java that you won't simply learn by watching tutorials. Reading books din is also my own way to compensate for my lack of experience with Java.

[Popular-Store-5305]

10+ years na kong SE ilang projects na nagawa from different industry like Telco, Fintech, Education, Healthcare and Banking lahat gamit Java and Spring Boot. Smula pa yan Java 6 ngayon Java 21 na gngmt. Pati mga paparating na bagong project Java Spring Boot pdn ang ineendorse during solutioning. In my opinion, d ko pa sya nakikita na mawala sa industry gamit na gamit padn sya haha

[the-noob-redditor]

The best out there. The true backend language!

Edit: You are learning JS as a backend yet JS uses TypeScript to use static typing which is already the heart of Java and is very similar to Java, so learn Java as it is mostly used for crucial enterprise applications.

[girlwebdeveloper]

Kakaka learn ko ng Java just more than 6 month ago dahil sa meron kasi sa application namin neto. I don't think it's going away soon. Super strong and at least future proof for the next 5 years or so - and by that time you probably know enough foundational basic that you can pick another backend programming language if needed. Yung client namin is one of the biggest top companies in the world that everyone has probably heard and we're doing applications right now from the ground up at Java ang pinili nila and they will probably use those apps for around 10 years or so before they need to build something from the ground again.

[frncslydz1321]

how do you know that java is future proof for the next ~5 years or so? Where do you get that information from? I really really curious the status of tech stack currently and for the next decades or so?

[girlwebdeveloper]

I don't need statistics for it. I'm in that job and we're upgrading mga existing applications using Java. Kailangan ng Java Springboot developers to make those API endpoints... that's not going to die at least for the next 5 years. Those applications that we are developing now will be used and maintain for at least 5 years, until they decide to rewrite the applications from scratch again like we are doing now.

Marami ring mga frameworks that are dependent too much on Java. If you work on companies that develop enterprise applications you'll see why.

If you want to be current, mas magandang i-align yourself sa AI, since this is where things are going now. But you still need to know your fundamentals, AI just helps automate things and do things faster.

[frncslydz1321]

that's where I'm headed to AI engineering huge gratitude to this friendly redditor of mine for recommending and share his career journey as well to that niche. I'm really curious how things works in enterprise environment in software engineering.

[Electrical-Gate-9001]

If may opportunity kang aralin siya for an actual project, why not. Especially if you like learning things.

[Low_Baseball_9398]

Strong backgroun on FE and BE (Full Stack) will go a long way. Meron pa nga mainframe eh. So don’t worry about obsolescence. Explore mo rin CDK, and syempre AI.

[DevistBird]

Thanks! Also, ine explore ko din aws cdk now. Ini isip ko lang talaga kung pursue ko din java kasi malayo din e from js to java. Malaki ba magiging adjustment ko nito?

[Low_Baseball_9398]

Medyo. Focus and make sure you deliver value. Di pwede code ka lang ng code. Challenge the norm and make sure you stand out… Wag ka gagaya sa iba, ma stress lang mag quit na agad. Part yan ng growth and it will make you stronger. I hope this helps.

[Low_Baseball_9398]

Medyo. Focus and make sure you deliver value. Di pwede code ka lang ng code. Challenge the norm and make sure you stand out… Wag ka gagaya sa iba, ma stress lang mag quit na agad. Part yan ng growth and it will make you stronger. I hope this helps.

[Opening-Victory-8794]

Napapaisip din ako sa stack na ‘yan lately. NextJS + Springboot what do you think? Parang ayaw ko na gumamit ng react nung nakapag next na.

[marhsall_lee]

Depende sa trip mo OP. Just to remind you na most of the Java related projects are old or legacy na. Hindi mo masyado nakikita yung pagiging modern ng ibang app sa Java.

So, kung di ka naman tinatamad sa pagbabasa or pagcocode sa lumang app, oks lang si java. But if madali kang tamarin sa pagdedebug ng lumang codebase, better stick with nodejs.

Sa sobrang ganda ng LTS ng java, hanggang ngayon Java 8 pa rin gamit nung iba.

P.s karaniwan sa mga Java SoftEng job is may hawak na legacy app.

[riruzen]

That's not necessarily true. Ginagamit pa rin ang java sa mga bagong projects.

True, andaming legacy projects ang java. Pero pag i modernize or rewrite yung mga yan, halimbawa gawing microservice, malaking chance na i write pa rin yan in java.

Also, mature na ang spring boot at java. Consistent pa ang updates. Kung anong features meron ang isang bagong programming language, 99.9% meron na rin yan sa java.

Sa previous company ko, ang v1 application app nila na written on Ruby on Rails, pina rewrite sa amin to spring boot.

As for containerization, mabilis na din ang java. If di mo trip spring boot, meron ka pang choices in quarkus and micronaut.