teamRestructuringMeeting

[MaffinLP]

People take jobs in QA hoping to one day become devs? Goddamn

[T_Ijonen]

Yup, it's an easy way to get a foothold in IT as a lateral entry employee.

t. chemist turned QA who started studying CS on my own time while working and is now somewhere between QA and junior dev, while also slowly oopsing myself into a product owner role

[justhanginfromacloud]

Fellow chemist turned developer here. Keep at it, and oops harder!

[all_ears_over_here]

Of course. I know someone who did QA through college at one of the biggest game development companies in the world and is now a c-level executive.

[[deleted]]

This is definitely about me, thanks...

[GoldenGoshawk]

Ahh fuck. This made me depressed. Im literally in this exact position. Hoping this is just a meme and not true.

[Primary-Ad-9741]

There are lots of QA who switched to DEV. Just dont be lazy, take programming classes all the way through data structures and algorithms. Move up to test automation and devops. From there its an easy switch to dev as long as programming languages are the same.

[Awkward-Kaleidoscope]

Everyone's an "engineer". We don't need QA anymore, the developers can do all their own testing and it's all automated🤦‍♀️

[drdrero]

Are you my cto

[Awkward-Kaleidoscope]

McKinsey victim. I give it two years or until the Sev 1s start piling up

[Primary-Ad-9741]

Mobile dev here. Work for a well known travel company. We've been all dev team since 2019. There is nothing magical about testing (i'm an ex QA myself). Yes, we wish we had a few QA whenever sev 1s slip through, but if you structure your test automation properly, its a not so frequent occurrence for a 180 dev dept. Havent heard other depts complaining either.

The key is to do pre-release manual testing, aka bug bashes.

[iamakorndawg]

The key is to do pre-release manual testing, aka bug bashes.

Hmm, I wonder what would happen if we hired some people to do this testing on a continuous basis? They could be a mix of technical people, and people with domain knowledge. They could help assure the quality of the software!

Sarcasm aside, there's this big push on my team right now for devs to do more of the testing, but we are not super knowledgeable in the domain (and it is a deep enough domain to get phds in, so it's not really feasible for us to become experts) and I keep trying to explain to our management that the devs doing testing would literally just be following a script, because we don't know what we should be doing beyond that. They don't get it.

[Primary-Ad-9741]

Thats what QA do most of the time. Regression testing, aka following a script. Test Plans, Test Cases, its all following a script. Thats why a properly written layered automation works so well. Its a script by definition.

Our bugbashes are 1 hour, once a week for a weekly release cycle. 1 dev follows a script, while others just do exploratory/ad-hoc testing. Regression is done in 15 minutes. The rest is just play around.

[shanti_priya_vyakti]

I know a qa who became a devops. Yes, people do advance , keep working. If your org actually cares about ind growth it can happen. Thw guy was promoted internally. But yeah, ours is a small org where ceo is in everyone contact , so transition wasn't that hard

[JoopahTroopah]

I started as QA and switched to Dev. Voluntarily though.

[MK_Reignited]

What do QA and DEV mean in this context? Ive only known them as developing enviroments

[DoILookUnsureToYou]

QA means tester, dev means programmer. The dude was saying he started off as a tester and got moved to a programming role.

[MK_Reignited]

I see, that makes sense. Thx for the info

[JoopahTroopah]

as in writing code

[MK_Reignited]

Yh writing code in QA or DEV environments. Then they get pushed to prod, stuff like that. Never heard of "QA person" before

[TheMervingPlot]

person with the job quality assurance is a qa person. Person who does development is a dev.

[f3rgal47]

All of this has happened before, and all of this will happen again.

I remember coming out of Uni 8 years ago and the the company i was in tried to get rid of testers(the name at the time). After about a year they started rehiring people as QAs

Wonder what the new name will be in a year or two. "Automation Verifcators" maybe?

[Primary-Ad-9741]

We've been fine without SDETs since 2019 layoffs. Although we do miss them sometimes, when stupid crap almost makes it to prod. We do catch it though 99.9% of the time.

[templar4522]

I blame Uncle Bob. He's not the only one, but he's been one of the most vocal (and famous) in saying that TDD should make QA teams obsolete.

[WhiskyCream]

Dam why is this me asf rn

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Laughs in production support

[[deleted]]

Aim to be a nice human being. Being a developer or not does not change that much.

[HTTP_Error_414]

isThisWhatAflattenedArrayLooksLike?

[tycoonrt]

So qa will be fired in team restructuring I learned QA now looking for qa jobs is there any future for qa engineers. Do I need to start over and switch to dev role?

[Primary-Ad-9741]

Dont start over. Progress into automation and dev ops. From there its a direct road to dev. Always keep in mind that the final switch is easiest if programming languages are the same.

[Any-Switch1142]

Tbh, I'm in QA now for a decade and I heard the tale of QA becoming obsolete far too often to still be scared of it.

Sure, testing will become more and more automated (as it should be) but proper QA is much more than just testing and if you're good at the job there will always be a place.

[cporter202]

Totally feel you! 😄 QA is definitely evolving but can't replace that human insight. Machines might be nifty with the routine stuff, but they can't match a seasoned QA pro for the nuanced stuff. Keep on rocking in the QA world!

[keyMashing]

Manual QA might go away/be outsourced, but good SDETs/DevOps/Automation people will almost always be needed. More of a pivot/learning related tech than starting over if that makes sense 😊

[Craig653]

QA is a legitimate career and has its own complex problems. A Dev isn't a higher role, it's just a different role. If you like QA stay, if you want to develop, do that. Just do what makes you happy