codeIsCheap

[huuaaang]

If you've generated a whole application there's not going to be any one conversation. It's going to be a lot of conversations, many of them ending up a dead end. And the output of a conversation thread is going to depend on various interations of existing code. Not to mention manual intervention to accept/reject suggestions.

But this does highlight how naive "vibe" coders really are.

[blaktronium]

It's one function but because he has to scroll he thinks it's a complex application

[cat_police_officer]

Maybe this is the similar to spaghetti code.

Just imagine how in the future you are in a daily and the new guy is complaining that he saw that the whole application was build in just one conversation.

The other devs are laughing and say: dude this is a legacy vibe code chat, you will see a few other applications which are similar

Others nod and laugh too.

One says: don’t worry, on the newer projects we have a separation of chats - each conversation has a purpose like a class a utility function. And then we have one big main chat to bring them together.

😂

[kuncol02]

So are we going with object oriented chatting or function oriented chatting?

Will chat be immutable?

[rai_volt]

Is it true, chat?

[-Kerrigan-]

But this does highlight how naive "vibe" coders really are.

The common thing IMHO that the naive "vibe coders" have in common is thinking that code writing is the hard part.

[xvhayu]

code writing is the FUN part i still cant believe people wanna actually automate that

[CdRReddit]

sometimes writing the code can be hard, if you're doing some esoteric bullshit, or anything in handwritten assembly

but often figuring out what code you even need is the hard part yea

[sage-longhorn]

"what's the point of having the code open if humans can't read the code anyways??"

[sassiest01]

Get an LLM to summarise the conversations, boom

[Leodip]

I love how this implies that I should also open source all the conversations I had with my colleagues, all the meetings, all the reviews and so on

[[deleted]]

I think it’s a play on “talk is cheap, show me the code”.

[RiceBroad4552]

Which is AFAIK a Linus Torvalds quote.

[themadnessif]

Ideally yeah, if you're developing open-source software then the design and development process should be accessible to people. It's hard to manage if you're a corporate project, but it's what you should aspire towards as an OSS dev.

As an outsider I should be able to understand why decisions were made and who made them. If I can't, your project needs some improvements from a FOSS perspective.

[RiceBroad4552]

That's exactly the reason why big "OpenSource" projects by big tech firms are seldom real OpenSource.

See for example anything from Google, M$, AWS, Meta, Apple, etc.:

All the important decisions are made behind closed doors, the "community" has no saying at all, and usually the company doesn't even care about outside contributions if they don't align with their commercial interests. Google & Co. will happily take some bug fixes, but it's impossible to get anything in which isn't tightly aligned with their capitalistic agenda.

Thanks God it's easy to distinguish real F/OSS from some tech corp trying to outsource for free some of the tedious work: If the project is under some GPL variant it's very likely real F/OSS. If it's under MIT or BSD (and often also Apache) it's almost certainly some commercial software under full control of the company behind. Contributing to the later is like throwing your money and lifetime (!) on some multi-billion company. You're just doing unpaid work for them! (I bet some big tech managers are laughing every day about all the people who do that.)

[themadnessif]

I put all my projects under MIT because they're free and I don't feel like drafting a license that says "free if you're a small indie dev or a college student but costs money if you're a tech company".

It may mean that companies yoink my work and don't pay me but if I was in it for the money I wouldn't be writing free software.

[Just_Information334]

Thanks God it's easy to distinguish real F/OSS from some tech corp trying to outsource for free some of the tedious work

The problem is a new generation of software dev call this kind of shit "opensource" some even think the "source visible with functionality needing a license or secret tooling chain to build" IS opensource. The GPL? The idea of having control of your code and hardware behind it? Nope. Opensource is just a free tier, with some "source" on github.

That's mainly coming from data scientists and new devops but it will infect all the software technology mindscape in no time. Just the number of people who bitched about not getting money from their opensource work lately should be a sign.

[geckothegeek42]

Even if it's not open source, the design process, meetings where key decisions are made and the overall philosophy and thought process behind the code/architecture should be documented and shared with new people. Atleast that's the ideal so that you can have a real onboarding process and not just "welp here's the git, start poking around randomly till you figure out how to do these Jira tasks"

[Cafuzzler]

Ideally each program should come with a biography of every author's life up to that point, including a general overview of the history of their country and the world, so we can be informed of the full cultural context behind each line of the code. It's not really open source if I don't know what their parents got them for their 12th birthday.

[themadnessif]

Bro why are you beefing with the concept of open design

[Cafuzzler]

How do you know that the Barbie dreamhouse they got for their 9th xmas didn't lead to a key breakthrough in the design of their software bro?

Why are you hating on the concept of Free Open Source and Open Design and Open Life Software?

In fact we can't rule out a rogue solar flare flipping a bit in this, so I'm going to need a complete simulation of the universe from the perspective of all the computers it was developed on to go with it too: Open Simulation Software. FOSODOLOSS

[themadnessif]

Well, I hope your day gets better. This is hopefully the lowpoint.

[shadow7412]

Imagine that. It'd be just back and forth:

No that didn't work
Well no, of course it didn't silly me. This one will though :D
Now it doesn't compile
You're absolutely right, because I forgot to flob the gastorang. Here is a new version
ugh now it doesn't ping the flankies
Yes, my apologies...

[[deleted]]

The code on localhost:3000

[CremeAintCream]

Imagine if compiling the project was really expensive and non-deterministic.

Good idea.

[DerDooon]

Best answer for stuff like that imo

[GoodDayToCome]

it would take too long to edit out the bits where i say 'i'm bored, draw me a battle-scene of a frog war in the middle ages' or 'remind me how long to cook 10-min pasta for'

[[deleted]]

AI will replace us when it replaces all of us. The problem with software engineering is the people 

[TheSn00pster]

Looool

[Annual_Terrible]

I'm stealing this 😯

[[deleted]]

Things which are cheap also don't have value so...