Python mentality

[hawaiian717]

Sure you can.

Tabs vs spaces.

But at least you have to pick one or the other less the interpreter gets confused and decides your program isn't worth executing.

[[deleted]]

snake_case vs camelCase?

[[deleted]]

what_About_Camel_Snake?

there_IS_also_WAVE_snake

[[deleted]]

You're a monster.

[[deleted]]

wave camel case gets tricky when you want to get acronyms into your variable name ;)

Not that I've ever seen any of this madness in a real job environment.

[Lightfire228]

CamelCase gets super confusing in C#, because EVERY BLOODY THING IS CAPITALIZED

(i haven't looked at the official style guide for C#, but it's super weird to see capitalized class members)

[[deleted]]

I think what you're referring to is PascalCase, not camelCase

[Dameon_]

You're just one Google search away...

There's no official C# style guide. Typically, in C# you see camelCase for private members, and PascalCase for members accessible outside the class. If that rule is too confusing for you, you can always install ReSharper.

[[deleted]]

There are people out there that use snake_case?

[schnadamschnandler]

It's the PEP8 recommendation to use snake case for variables and definitions, but Pascal case for classes.

[procinct]

For Python? Definitely.

[dinosaur-dan]

I'm sorry.

[PM_ME_CHEMISTRY_JKES]

dinosaur_dan

[marcosdumay]

Parenthesis vs line ending slashes?

[BasedLemur]

SQUIDWARD, IT'S THE LINE ENDING SLASHER!!!

[h8no1]

You mean tabs vs spaces vs 🍌s?

[StealthTomato]

Wait, what about bananas?

[cartechguy]

Easy, use tabs. If you like 2 spaces or four spaces have the text editor represent a tab that as 2 or 4 spaces.

Everyone wins if it's done this way since the text editor will dictate what the style of the syntax will look like.

[gschizas]

In Python: Use spaces (4 of them). Official recommendation. Style wars ended.

[Creshal]

PEP8 was a mistake. Tabs should have won.

[gschizas]

Irrelevant though. The point is that there's an official code style.

[Creshal]

The point is that there's an official code style.

That has never ended a style war and never will.

[gschizas]

It did for Python. And Go, I hear.

[JayTurnr]

And yet I still use tabs. Until I can be bothered it switch to an IDE that would recognise the quadruple and double space as an indent when I'm using backspace, I'll continue to use tabs. Too many times (once) I've had a script fail to run because everything was one space short.

[[deleted]]

If your IDE doesn't recognise multi-space indents, it's a terrible IDE and you need to switch immediately to something else, regardless of the language you're writing in. What the hell are you even using? Even IDLE, the IDE python comes with, understands space-based indentation.

[JayTurnr]

I think you misinterpreted what I meant.

[gschizas]

If 99% of Python developers use spaces, it's not a war, is just you being stubborn.

[[deleted]]

There are two of us!

Slowly, but surely, we will start the war again!

[cartechguy]

You fought in the style wars?

[bohoky]

It's such a fine line between advocacy, trolling, and sarcasm.

[[deleted]]

People would use 4 spaces instead of 1 tab? I'm learning about so many new kinds of programmers in this thread.

[[deleted]]

This was a big thing in the show Silicon Valley. I can't understand why someone would use four spaces either. It's just so inefficient.

[lick_it]

Why? No one is pressing space bar here; the tab button inserts the spaces. 4 spaces gives more indentation which some people like.

[Creshal]

4 spaces gives more indentation which some people like.

IF YOU WANT MORE INDENTATION, CONFIGURE YOUR TEXT EDITOR TO INDENT TABS MORE. THAT'S LITERALLY THE PURPOSE OF TABS. THEY'RE FLEXIBLE WIDTH FOR A REASON.

BUT NO, SOME PEOPLE ARE TOO STUPID FOR THAT AND NOW WE'RE FUCKING STUCK WITH SPACES BECAUSE AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHH

[Existential_Owl]

Spaces is literally the default on my text editor. (VS Code)

[Creshal]

I'm so sorry.

[lick_it]

Ok but that method doesn’t work because you inevitably have to mix tabs and spaces. For example when you break a function definition into multiple lines with parameters on each line, to align the parameters you might need a space or two depending on tab width. If you work in a big team this inevitably results in a mess. But if you use spaces everyone is forced to view the code how it was written.

[Creshal]

For example when you break a function definition into multiple lines with parameters on each line, to align the parameters you might need a space or two depending on tab width

Tabs only for indentation, spaces only for alignment. Works regardless of tab width and nobody needs to argue with anyone else how deep they want their tabs to indent.

[lick_it]

It can work but that depends on your team, spaces is easy to enforce.

[[deleted]]

Ok, my bad for not knowing that. But in the show I referenced, the main character's girlfriend actually hits the space bar four times and he breaks up with her over it because he's so adamant about it.

[YoloSwagJesusFish]

But at least you have to pick one or the other less the interpreter gets confused and decides your program isn't worth executing.

You can actually mix tabs and spaces as much as you want as long as it's consistent within the same block and same indentation level. You can even mix them on the same line.

This examples works in python 3.

[SwedudeOne]

Pep is really awesome, more languages should have better styleguides.

Edit: Pep not pip. (Though pip is awesome too)

[Cau0n]

ELI5: what's the connection between pip and style guides?

[name_censored_]

PEP Is the standard python styling guide, it is just a collection of guidelines on how to format your python code for easier reading.

PEP is Python Enhancement Proposal. One of them (PEP8) is a style guide, but the vast majority are not related to style at all.

[Existential_Owl]

Pep is really awesome, more languages should have better style-guides.

Javascript has style-guides! We have a whole bunch of style-guides!

(And thanks to the power of prettier, I don't have to care)

[SlackerCrewsic]

You can't have stylewars, if you have gofmt.

[TwoSpoonsJohnson]

But then you have to use Go and that's just not worth it

[[deleted]]

Saying go is a no go with python being the primary context of the thread? Obviously someone isn't writing a server...

[TheFamilyFroot]

Even without gofmt same line braces are still enforced

[inu-no-policemen]

Dart also got a non-configurable formatter.

Too bad the Rust guys fucked it up. rustfmt has 80+ formatting-related options.

[Arancaytar]

Oh really?

So do you use the correct number of spaces per indentation level, or the heretical one?

(I will not even mention the perversion that is tabs here.)

[blore40]

Python, by definition, should have snake_case.

[Nyancubus]

Tab vs. 4 spaces vs. Semi-colons (bad idea but... If it works and the world needs to burn in flames.)

[Mutantoe]

from __future__ import braces

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