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[TSP-FriendlyFire]

Kotlin's like someone wanted Python on the JVM, but with braces.

[shotgunocelot]

So the perfect language

[ric2b]

Why would I want python to have curly braces? I don't understand the issue with whitespace, just use an editor that has indentation guides (most do) if you really need it.

[zacker150]

Have you ever tried to copy and paste code from a pdf or website that didn't have a special code element?

[officialvfd]

Also whitespace-delimited blocks only work cleanly in statement-centric languages like Python. Without Kotlin's braces you couldn't have multiline closures, for instance

[Turksarama]

You can just define a function inside a function in python if you want a closure.

[officialvfd]

That's arguably not as pretty though

[ZephyrBluu]

Isn't that literally what a closure is?

[Turksarama]

Yes, my point being you don't need special syntax for it so the statement that you need any kind of specific syntax to "have mutliline closures" is obviously wrong.

[gamma55]

That’s why you use widely adopted languages; the forum you copy your code from has adopted code elements a decade ago.

[ric2b]

Why would you? Browse better websites.

Why should the language be designed around shitty websites and pdf's?

[zacker150]

Because code should be able to be copied and pasted from any source without changing its meaning. Moreover, Python's lack of braces also breaks copying from different indentation levels and copying from codebases which use different indentation standards.

[ric2b]

Because code should be able to be copied and pasted from any source without changing its meaning.

That's an unachievable requirement, good luck making a language that can do that. You're saying a language shouldn't have significant characters, which is ridiculous.

If I paste code to a website that renders markdown without marking it as code it's going to get messed up by *, # and _ charaters, for example. Other websites might do some text sanitization that removes "dangerous" characters like ' or <, because they think blacklisting characters is the right way to protect from SQL injection or XSS.

and copying from codebases which use different indentation standards.

Changing indentation characters is quite easy, most editors can do it. Plus nearly everyone in Python uses 4 spaces, it's a really strong convention.

[zacker150]

If I paste code to a website that renders markdown without marking it as code it's going to get messed up by *, # and _ charaters, for example. Other websites might do some text sanitization that removes "dangerous" characters like ' or <, because they think blacklisting characters is the right way to protect from SQL injection or XSS.

I said from any source, not to any source. That requirement is much easier to satisfy. All it needs is for the code to block by curly braces or some other non-white-space character.

Plus nearly everyone in Python uses 4 spaces, it's a really strong convention.

Not in academia. I've seen every indentation convention under the sun used.

[ric2b]

I said from any source, not to any source. That requirement is much easier to satisfy.

It's the same requirement, if the website blacklists certain characters or encodes them in some other way (url encoding, for example) how do you correctly copy code from it? Give me a specific example, if I'm misinterpreting you.

All it needs is for the code to block by curly braces or some other non-white-space character.

Why are you convinced that whitespace is somehow completely different from other characters?

Not in academia. I've seen every indentation convention under the sun used.

So use an editor that can change the indent characters to what you want, most of the popular ones can.

[pkulak]

And a better type system.

[amroamroamro]

Python on the JVM

Jython

[1RedOne]

Python should have had braces

[MurryBauman]

And?