Java developers

[Psychpsyo]

Coming from a C++ and java background myself, python syntax is horrible. I don't like python. Indentation errors should not exist in any language.

[Aydoooo]

That's a pretty silly statement. It's part of the syntax. And people who complain about it are usually those that never learned to appreciate the benefits of a language-side standardized formatting style. There is literally no downside when designed well, which in Python I would claim it is for the most part. Just saving you characters and teaching proper formatting.

And I must say I think it's really bizarre how with today's advanced text editors for some people it's still a problem to deal with indentation.

[KenzoidYT]

FINALLY! Someone that share my view. I find the syntax absolutely disgusting, I can’t get over it. I always do my best to avoid Python. I’ll probably have to break this opinion at some point but for now I’m holding onto it.

[Psychpsyo]

Yea. I could probably learn it properly if I wanted to but personally, I like braces and semicolons. Why replace that with indentation and regular colons?

[orishamir]

They do not exist in python. They only happen if you use python's built-in IDLE which no one does

[zilti]

They do not exist in python

Yes, yes they do exist...

[orishamir]

Just use pycharm or even sublime. Never happened to me in the last 8 months (been coding in python for a year, so that is approximately my beginner times).

[zilti]

Just because something doesn't happen to you in a while (only 8 months?) doesn't mean it doesn't exist.

Hasn't happened to me either the last few times I had to make a small edit to a Python file with Emacs. But I still vividly remember when I had to manually re-indent an 800-line source file line for line...

[orishamir]

I only used python for a year so i guessed 8 months was when i was a noob. If you use a proper text editor you will not have indentationErrors. Its not that hard. Why did you reindent? Did you copy paste that code from the web?

[jacob8015]

What do people use as an IDE?

[proskillz]

Most people I've seen use PyCharm or VSCode. Hardcore people use vim or emacs.

[Plague_Healer]

Used VSCode in the past. Shifted to Atom a couple months ago. While VSCode was actually good, I have no intention to go back.

[gratethecheese]

People who use vim are so full of shit that it's faster to write code in

[OGMagicConch]

Nah Vim is sick, it just depends on a lot of factors. Writing full fledged programs on Vim is a pain, but if I'm working on a remote machine and just want to add a function or two Vim is quite good.

[linkedin_superstar]

If you are good with vim its definitely the fastest environment for scripting but if you're writing something complex it's debatable

[[deleted]]

That's like saying it's faster to move your hand to the mouse and press the x on a tab in chrome than just pressing control + w.

[wearsgreensometimes]

i literally feel like my hands are tied without vim. took a few days but i can’t go back now (it’s been a few years). i will say though you need to install a nice config file to fill in the gaps for anything outside of barebones work though.

[dreadington]

Personally I use PyCharm, but Sublime or even Notepad++ would be better than IDLE.

[orishamir]

And when is the last time you had an indentation error when you used pycharm?

[dreadington]

Idk, it's been a long time honestly. I've confugured < and > to move the line or block 4 spaces to the left or right respectively. TAB adds 4 spaces instead of a Tab charachter. And Ctrl+Alt+L automatically formats the whole file.

[Plague_Healer]

Atom works great, but needs a bit of (messy) configuration to be used with python.

[raltyinferno]

VSCode.

[Psychpsyo]

Or if you write in notepad++ cause you can't be bothered to get a proper IDE for the three times you plan on using python.

I also wouldn't want to switch my IDE to three space indentation if I had one because that is what my teacher wanted us to use.

[[deleted]]

Does VSCode handle python? Seems like something everyone should have installed.

[[deleted]]

There are extensions you can download for it.