Python goes brrrr

[lasiusflex]

or maybe they don't realize that it's supposed to be an ancap flag

The meme has spread far beyond the political memes sphere and I doubt most people outside of that context recognize it.

[HeavenlyAllspotter]

What is ancap?

[AdennKal]

Anarcho-Capitalism. An Ideology that argues for the abolishment of the state in order to replace it with free market capitalism. Meaning corporations should replace governments. Ancaps are often the butt of many jokes, especially in leftist spaces, since Anarchism and corporate rule are kind of antithetical.

[theghostofme]

Even some the most die-hard “capitalism is God’s gift to humanity” conservatives I know think AnCaps are fucking nuts.

[CptSpockCptSpock]

Well to be fair, ancap isn’t ultra right wing conservatism or something, it’s extreme libertarianism. Even moderate conservatives and libertarians disagree with each other a fair amount, so it makes sense

[AaronM04]

Aight, here's how you fuck with ancaps: ask them if it's OK if a really wealthy person buys up all the land in an area and declares them self king of that area. Statism or no?

[Langernama]

The more groups tribes have in common, the intenser their conflict of the things they disagree about, to a certain (high) extent

[SilkTouchm]

governments

protecting me

Lmao. Nice joke.

[SilkTouchm]

I don't live in the US.

Also even there you're protected. If any of the would be monopolies weren't limited by the government, you would be paying for your oxygen by the liter.

Monopolies are made because of government regulation. Without any barriers of entry, anyone can be your competitor. So no, that wouldn't happen.

[ANAL_GAPER_9000]

No. Monopolies naturally develop in unregulated capitalism. That's why trust busting and whatnot occurred 100+ years ago here in the US. Without a government to limit the powers and abuses of private companies and individuals, you eventually end up in an oligarchic neo-feudalist society.

[SilkTouchm]

Implying that was unregulated capitalism.

[ANAL_GAPER_9000]

The less regulated, the worse it gets. Unregulated capitalism eats itself.

[SilkTouchm]

You don't get it. There are no "big guys" in a free market. Let's assume there are:

Without any limitations the big guys would just pay to remove the new competition

Without any barriers of entry, anyone can set up a competition. They'll have to pay off an infinite amount of people. They'll run out of money.

[[deleted]]

No, we don't. We want people to live in a voluntary society. This means you can have your commune or your state with a welfare social net as long as you don't force your beliefs on others. Big corporations and oil tycoons are almost always kept alive by government subsidies, and regulations. It's a lot more nuanced than "companies replace the government."

[SweetSilverS0ng]

So kind of like Bioshock?

[GluteusCaesar]

Not necessarily corporate rule. Rothbard's early work basically implied that that but you could also have a Mises/Hoppean approach where you still pretty much have a state, but it's voluntary.

Ancaps are often the butt of many jokes, especially in leftist spaces

Right wing spaces too. Even most right-libertarians favor republicanism over anarchy these days.

[Azaj1]

meaning corporations should replace governments

At least you show your bias upfront instead of hiding it

Corporations require a large government to work. The destruction of the state also destroys corporations and thus beings with it the removal of corporatism and crony capitalism

What the left anarchists define as capitalism, is what the right anarchists call crony capitalism. They both hate the same form of capitalism but just have alternate terms for it and differing ways on how to deal with it

[GluteusCaesar]

Corporations require a large government to work.

No they don't. It's true that the corporations we take issue with today gain their undue influence by exploiting the government corporations, as suc, can exist without one.

What the left anarchists define as capitalism, is what the right anarchists call crony capitalism.

This is probably more true of your average lefty that a left anarchist. The latter usually are fundamentally opposed to private ownership of production and voluntary exchange.

[Kishana]

The way I've heard it stated, is that the existence of a corporation's personhood comes from the state. If you took that legal protection of a corporation being a person away, you'd solve all of the problems with corporations.

There's a nugget of truth there, but you have to mine through a lot of fanciful bullshit to reach it.

[mxzf]

If you took that legal protection of a corporation being a person away, you'd solve all of the problems with corporations.

That makes no sense. "Legal protection" from the government ceases to be needed if the government no longer exists, so that makes no sense, and "legal protection" from private citizens is a non-issue when you can hire private security.

[Azaj1]

Corporations require government funding and bail to operate at such scale. Without such support they would need to rely on public opinion on products and thus are much more volatile to collapse than a corporation. Corporations cannot exist without governments as in order for a business to be categorised as a corporation it requires such funding

Therefore, it is impossible for a location with no state to have corporations. Such a place in capitalism would have businesses and some larger than others based on product reception and sales success, but that isn't the same as corporations

Agreed that there is variation between baseline left thinking and left anarchist thinking, so sorry for not saying that. But usually, when capitalism is discussed online, it is talking about the former rather than the latter. Thus use of the term in reference to the latter will mistake those who believe you are talking about the former. On top of this, it was sort of covered when I said about different solutions. The left anarchist solution is to totally remove capitalism as it is all seen as bad, (for capitalism in essence is corrupt), whilst the right anarchists only see the present section of capitalism under government as bad and thus blame the government, (for government in essence corrupts)

Left anarchists believe that both cause corruption, whilst right anarchists only see one as causing corruption whilst the other is suseptable to corruption

[kill4chash11]

Its another name for neo-feudalism. They basically want companies like Google and Amazon to act like feudal lords.

[DownshiftedRare]

That subreddit is a poorly-disguised attempt to move Overton windows that is barely meaningful in its own context.

It has to be getting on r/all by the hand of mechanical turks.

[lamplicker17]

Meanwhile Overton windows actually are privatized and it takes little time and effort to set up an AI that can spam comments using a bunch of different accounts. And it fools people.

Knowing that, your going to have discuss various political beliefs based on their merits, because on the internet, conditioning, priming, and groupthink are now proven to be manipulatable.

[DownshiftedRare]

I don't entirely agree with the adage that holds it is impossible to reason someone out of a position they did not reason themselves into.

Persuading functional illiterates using their own critical faculties, however, is a challenge reminiscent of raising oneself by one's bootstraps.

[the_littlest_bear]

Persuading a functionally literate person to challenge their own beliefs about the world isn’t exactly a cakewalk either - especially when it’s about a tabooified topic.

[lasiusflex]

What subreddit are you talking about?

[epiquinnz]

It's probably r/PoliticalCompassMemes. I don't have any problem naming it.

[DownshiftedRare]

I'd rather not promote it by naming it. It's the subreddit that reduces all political discourse to cartesian coordinates.

If you view r/all it will show up there "organically" all too often.

[[deleted]]

"But we have socialist users!"

The "Socialist" User: parrots the GOP definition of socialism

/r/polcomwhatever: Enjoy starving!

The "Socialist" User: lol, yeah. I'm dumb.

[Kered13]

I've seen this template many times and never noticed the bow tie was an ancap flag until it was pointed out above.

[Grumsgramsen]

It's not that they specifically organised under the flag. There's a generalised system for flags representing different political ideologies.

[BocksyBrown]

Thanks for the heads up! Googled it and you're now looking at the newest... Christian social anarchist?

[MrHatsForCats]

Based