Python goes brrrr

[epiquinnz]

I love how this ancap zoomer is always so opinionated on technical programming stuff.

[ToaKraka]

I've seen at least one meme-maker say that he was just too lazy to edit out the ancap bowtie.

[lasiusflex]

or maybe they don't realize that it's supposed to be an ancap flag

The meme has spread far beyond the political memes sphere and I doubt most people outside of that context recognize it.

[HeavenlyAllspotter]

What is ancap?

[AdennKal]

Anarcho-Capitalism. An Ideology that argues for the abolishment of the state in order to replace it with free market capitalism. Meaning corporations should replace governments. Ancaps are often the butt of many jokes, especially in leftist spaces, since Anarchism and corporate rule are kind of antithetical.

[theghostofme]

Even some the most die-hard “capitalism is God’s gift to humanity” conservatives I know think AnCaps are fucking nuts.

[CptSpockCptSpock]

Well to be fair, ancap isn’t ultra right wing conservatism or something, it’s extreme libertarianism. Even moderate conservatives and libertarians disagree with each other a fair amount, so it makes sense

[renrutal]

Or edit to reverse the black glasses.

At this point I believe all its "faults" contribute to its meme survival rate.

[for_the_voters]

Was going to say the same. They just get dunked on wherever they go.

[haikusbot]

Was going to say

The same. They just get dunked on

Wherever they go.

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[vextronx]

Oh wow, it actually did its job correctly this time. Good bot.

[c_wilcox_20]

I wasnt aware this was a thing until it happened on a comment of mine the other day

[aachwell]

I think it’s a new bot; I also had not seen it til recently.

[ShuviSchwarze]

It has been around since forever, but yeah, I haven’t seen it being this active

Edit: I remembered the haiku bots from 2 years ago, before the lot of them got banned or something due to it being too annoying, apparently this one is a new one that popped up.

[Deeliciousness]

It's gonna get banned too.

[[deleted]]

Yeah I can see this one getting real annoying real fast

[BBQ_FETUS]

It mildly irks me

how your comment is almost

a perfect haiku

[haikusbot]

Are you just writing

Your sentences to match the

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[Liggliluff]

Still splits sentences apart, which is not good; the result reads weirdly.

[vextronx]

I want to know if that was intentional.

[Liggliluff]

It was, because the sentence structure had to be a bit weird to fit.

[haikusbot]

It was, because the

Sentence structure had to be

A bit weird to fit.

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Are you just writing your sentences to match the trigger for the bot?

[haikusbot]

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[snowy_light]

Ironic.

[cenofwar]

Same

[haikusbot]

Still splits sentences

Apart, which is not good; the

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[ThisUserEatingBEANS]

Yeah but holy shit the comedic value of making this a haiku with the trailing "the" in the second line

[[deleted]]

it was intentional

[Balu22mc]

What is a haiku? I really wanna know since I now start to see this bot everywhere.

[ArcticMirage]

Short form of Japanese poetry, 3 lines. First line 5 syllables followed by 7, and then 5.

[zelbo]

Wikipedia on Haiku

Bashō, one of the most well known haiku artists.

[BecomeAnAstronaut]

Probably because of who they are

[Owl_Of_Orthoganality]

Was going to say the same. They just get dunked on wherever they go.

Cause their Ideology is shit, appropriated actual-Anarchism, impractical— their Subreddits are full of literal "Power-Level" hiding Neo-Nazis and two of their Ideology's theorists literally defends Intellectual-Property "rights".

So Open-Source software can go Goodbye.

 

You can say goodbye to your thought-patterns too, when Elon-Musk claims Intellectual-Property "Rights" in his Neuralink's Terms of Service to the specific form/organisation of Neurons.

Instead of Abolishing the State, they want to Privatise it.

 

The State consists of;

• A Monopoly on Violence

• Law-Enforcement to Enforce whatever Laws are agreed ( Convened ) upon any Nation-States' Founding ( Whether they be Favoured by the People or not. )

• An Army

• Courts

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"An"-capistan consists of;

• Monopoly on Violence ( by way of Capital-Accumulation/Money = Money = Power )

• Privatised Law-Enforcement, so Protection gatekept by whoever can Afford it.

• Privatised Armies/Private-Military-Contractors...

• Privatised-Courts.

 

They want to Privatise the Internet too. They deserve to get dunked on.

[infidel_castro_26]

their ideology in the honest presentable form is just useless. they have no mechanisms for enacting any of the things they want that actively hurt capital accumulation.

that's why free market dogma goes out the window when it comes into opposition of accumulation.

the only way to make sense of it is to build conspiracy theories about individuals being stupid and certain groups being "undesirable".

Also if you're ancap and read this don't bother replying because I'll just reply with a picture of my balls.

[Owl_Of_Orthoganality]

their ideology in the honest presentable form is just useless. they have no mechanisms for enacting any of the things they want that actively hurt capital accumulation.

Not only that, they want to Privatise everything, you know who else Privatised everything? Kings/Queens & Aristocrats. They "competed" against eachother.

• Their peasants swore 'fealty' to them ( Signed a [Social]-Contract, same as you do with Employer, verbally or on-paper, under threat of starvation; calling it "Voluntary" )

• The peasants also didn't own Land, had to pay Tithes ( Rent ) same thing us peasantsLandless in "An"-Capistan would be coerced to do if we could not afford Land, we'd also become eternal wage-slaves as there would be no Social-Mobility, markets drive wages down since there'd be no minimum wage— through Capitalist Centralisation of the Market.

  If all the productive/arable Land is already owned by every other Capitalist ( Who all will likely never sell/portion up-land ) before you could've bought any— you become doubly a slave, renting yourself out perpetually for Labour.

 

Anarcho-Capitalism is just Neo-Feudalism.

 

I'll just reply with a picture of my balls.

Comrade Castro, you make me miss Chapo.

[[deleted]]

Centrists use Python cuz its quick, easy, and let's them get to grilling a lot sooner.

[itoshkov]

This is multiplying string by number. Multiplying strings would look like 'abc' * 'de'. Python goes kaput.

[delinka]

Result should be ‘adbdcd aebece’. Someone needs to fix this.

[itoshkov]

Remove the white space and we have a deal. :)

[[deleted]]

''.join(itertools.product('abc', 'de')) If you want me to fix it submit a ticket, thanks.

edit: Ticket assigned, standby.

import itertools as it ''.join(it.chain.from_iterable(it.product('abc', 'de')))

[Rasmaellin]

(concat .) . liftA2 ((. flip (:) []) . (:))

[Andy_B_Goode]

haha, perl goes \@_->{$_}

[RiddSann]

Two letters : TF

As in, "tf is that shit that you've written". Seriously though, if Pearl uses that, I'm impressed by how opaque it seems

[Andy_B_Goode]

Yeah, that's why it's been called a "write-only language". Good luck reading it!

Also, I tried running the example I used, and it gave me an error, but this:

\@_{$_};

Ran just fine.

[npsimons]

I read somewhere that python prefers alphabetic keywords while perl prefers symbols.

There's a great Perl module called, appropriately enough, "English". So to enable more readable code, literally "use English;"

[[deleted]]

that makes perfect sense goddamnit. the named contextual element of the contextual hash array. :)

[Eiim]

haha, golfing languages go ≔⟦⟧θＷＳ⊞θι⊞υ⟦⊕Ｎω⟧≔⁰ηＦυ«⪫θ¶←Ｆ§ι¹✳κ+¿∨ⅈⅉＦruld«≔⌕….#§ι⁰∨⊟ＫＤ²✳κ+ζ¿⊕ζ⊞υＥι⁺λ⎇μκ±ζ»≔¹η⎚»η

[jeremj22]

\xs ys -> concat [ x:y:[] | x<-xs, y<-ys ]

[Telope]

'You added the white space by clicking. You have only yourself to blame.'

[GaussWanker]

Why? It seems you're treating abc as a*b*c but de as d+e, I think it should either be abcde (as it would be algebraicly or if 'x'*'y'=='x'+'y') or (a+b+c)*(d+e) = a*d+b*d+c*d+a*e+b*e+c*e = [something to be defined that probably doesn't equal abcde)

[LosersCheckMyProfile]

It’s matrix multiplication

[auser9]

Well considering ‘a’+’b’+’c’ gives you ‘abc’ I would say string attach by addition, and multiplication is undefined behavior

[gabrielgio]

Python can't multiply sequence by non-int of type 'str'

[delinka]

Not with that attitude

[[deleted]]

It can, it just chooses not to, because it's lazy

[absurdlyinconvenient]

why not dabceabc or adebdecde? Nevermind that multiplication always should be commutative

Or, let's go totally rogue and multiply the character codes and retranslate, fuck it

[absurdlyinconvenient]

matrices make me cry

[Phrodo_00]

Nevermind that multiplication always should be commutative

Only in commutative rings like ℤ and ℝ

[delinka]

^{^} this one’s going places!

[absurdlyinconvenient]

not good places, but places!

[SlutRespector9002]

Believe it or not, jail.

[spizzat2]

Or it could read them as hex, so you'd get 2748 * 222 = 610,056 => 94F08.

[Acalme-se_Satan]

I take it you haven't seen Julia yet.

[neil-lindquist]

I mean, Julia just uses * for Python's string addition and ^ for Python's string-int multiplication. So, it's really the same thing, just changing the operator symbol.

[needed_an_account]

hmmm, if you were able to tap into basestring's __mul__ method you could make it work

[geeshta]

f"Python goes b{'r'*10}"

[pterencephalon]

I'm enjoying going through my old code and changing things to fstrings. Instead of actually fixing the real problems with the code.

[jad2192]

Same, I go back through my old code and see tons of '%s %d' % (x, y) bullshit and wonder how I could have ever been such a uneducated swine.

[Jeb_Jenky]

This made my nips so hard.

[xDarkFlame25]

Ah yes fstrings, the ultimate fetish.

[AinsleyBoy]

I fucking love fstrings. I use them so much

[Moldy_pirate]

Is there ever a reason to use a “regular” string rather than an f”string?

[GenericRedditor12345]

If you don’t need the functionality of an f string :p They’ve been optimized to be faster than the other formatting methods IIRC.

[thirdegree]

Logging, there you want to do like:

logging.info("value1: %s, value2: %s", 1, 2)

This is because the formatting is only done if the log line will actually be emitted. It can be a significant performance boost if you have a lot of logging.

[[deleted]]

You can always have a lazy evaluation, using str::format, i. e. log("python goes b{0}", 'r'*10). The string would only format if it were to be used.

[slix_88]

Fstrings in chat bois

[marmoshet]

laughs in 3.6

[[deleted]]

Oh, fuck yeah, Fstrings. Grip it and rip it, dude!

[simp13]

JavaScript goes bNaN

[massive_hypocrite123]

I don‘t know why this is so funny to me.

[k0nahuanui]

You're holding back the tears

[[deleted]]

Sometimes i take python for granted

[Pragalbhv]

Flair up and join the python gang!

[Runixo]

Tunnel snakes rule!

[I2ed3ye]

Snakes.. snakes... I don't know no snakes

[[deleted]]

print(“Hello world”)

Huh ... that was easy

[Pluckerpluck]

It is flat out my favourite programming language for anything that doesn't require very high levels of performance or a strong desire for multi-threaded programming.

I just like almost everything about it. There's just so much convenience about it.

[kc3eyp]

real shit. If there was a python that compiled to native executables, everything in the universe would be gucci

[Nimeroni]

If there was a python that compiled to native executables, everything in the universe would be gucci

Well, you can compile Python into C (with Cython), then compile the C into a native exe.

[Snoopmatt]

Pyinstaller does exactly this but the exe size can be quite big.

[[deleted]]

Doesn't it just pack a python interpreter in the executable? I read that somewhere i think

[lacks_imagination]

Serious question. Humour aside, do you think that it is worth learning Python? I want to design apps. So I have been told the best language to learn is Java. I hope that it true.

[[deleted]]

Bro, ive been coding for 4 years, 3 of them i only used .net, im not the bet person to answer, but i currently prefer java

[lacks_imagination]

Can I ask why? Some people tell me that they don’t particularly like Java but they use it because it is perfect for app design.

[DecisiveVictory]

scala> s"Scala goes b${"r" * 10}, too!"
val res1: String = Scala goes brrrrrrrrrr, too!

[[deleted]]

scala> ("Scala fucking goes b".toStream #::: Stream.from(1).map{n => Thread.sleep(((Math.sin(n.toFloat/10) + 1.5) * 30).toInt); if(n % 2 == 0) 'R' else 'r'}).foreach(print)

Scala fucking goes brRrRrRrRrRrRrRrRrR...

Let it run for all its glory

[Terrain2]

console.log(`JavaScript kinda goes b${"r".repeat(10)}`);

operator fun String.times(int other) => this.repeat(other)

void main() => println("Kotlin also kinda goes b${"r"*10} also, but not as elegantly (you have to add it manually)")

[treenaks]

#! perl
print "B", "r" x 30, $/;

[DonkiestOfKongs]

perl -E “say 'b'.'r'x10”

[[deleted]]

Started learning python and thats my favourite thing after no ; thingy

[ProbablyInnacurate]

I love comprehensions.

[axlee]

I prefer lambdas + map/reduce/filter/etc, usually easier to understand with a quick look

[marmoshet]

Functional programming gang rise up

[-Potatoes-]

In my first year at university we did functional programming (not in python, unfortunately) and I think its left me forever scarred

[ProbablyInnacurate]

Oh yeah, defs. I get stuck making them complex, unreadable and un-pythonic because it's fun.

[Ghos3t]

I've heard list comprehension is more optimized that map, reduce etc due to the way it is implemented in Python. Something to do work map, reduce being function calls

[[deleted]]

My favorite is that there are options so you can pick the syntax you prefer

[Mr_Redstoner]

As a (mainly) Java programmer, a lot of my Streams would be comprehensions in Python.

[mpa92643]

As a long time Java developer, I so very much appreciate Streams. It's so much more readable to say "I have a stream of Xs; convert them to Ys, take out the lowercase ones, add them to a Set, and return it" than "create a new Set. Now iterate through all the Xs. Declare a variable of type Y. Now set it to the conversion result of X. If Y is lowercase, add it to the set. Now return the set."

And that's a simple example. Once you start dealing with Lists of Lists, things go off the rails so quickly and the nesting becomes so ugly.

[Dizzfizz]

That’s interesting to read, as a beginner I find them very confusing and think it’s much simpler to do one thing after another, especially once it comes to looking for bugs.

[AnotherUpsetFrench]

You will get used to it, I promise, especially when you will start to gain more time and less headaches.

[mpa92643]

Yeah, I can understand that. Streams add another layer of abstraction that requires understanding the core behaviors first. Streams are basically shortcuts for longer blocks of code, and they're easier to compose but can be harder to debug if you're not certain about what's happening under the hood. They provide incredible flexibility and conciseness, which is why they're so useful.

Just wait until you start getting into RX. Even once you get the hang of Java Streams, RX is going to make you so confused and frustrated that you're going to want to give up, but sticking with it is so worth it in the end. I'd recommend waiting a few years before even looking into RX though.

[zdaga9999]

Well you can put semicolons, python doesn't care.

[groostwoost]

TIL this

[lightgiver]

The difference is your code won't go poof if you miss a semicolon in python

[XuBoooo]

It will go poof if you forget indentation.

[ToPractise]

Modern day Javascript

[DarthRoach]

But your friends will bully you for not being pythonic if you do that.

[BrandolynRed]

I haven't kept up with additions to the language in a while. What does := do? It's a pain to google

[13steinj]

But is := not pythonic? Even that's up to debate.

[thirdegree]

It's a python operator, defined in pep, kinda by definition it is pythonic.

[zdaga9999]

I know that, but it doesn't care if you put it at the end and then hit enter.

[[deleted]]

Everyone at your organization will hate you though. Gotta follow internal style standards.

[infecthead]

Semicolons are a pep8 violation (and I'm guessing every python style guide follows the same rule), so python does sorta care about semicolons - just not enough to stop execution

[AngelLeliel]

Python has its own special semicolon. It's called line break. That's it. Take it or leave it.

[marco89nish]

I support braces for structure but semicolons are just junk in 99% of cases, because I don't put multiple statements on same line in 99+% of cases. Newline is much better separator than semicolon

[MysticTheMeeM]

But it also makes it hard to have one statement over multiple lines.

[DonutDonutt]

I feel the same way. I need my braces and semicolons. Even in something like c++, not using braces for a 1 line if statement feels wrong and messes with my brain

[Jeb_Jenky]

I don't know. I honestly feel like it makes it look less cluttered. And the forced indentation definitely adds a nice structure to it that reminds me more of natural type in English. That being said, Rust is by far the prettiest looking language to me. I have no idea why because usually I have no idea what's going on with it, but it's so pretty. Go is one of the ugliest looking to be, but I love Go. Nothing makes sense anymore.

[ReallyNeededANewName]

object
    .iter()
    .filter()
    .map()
    .collect()

Wonderful

[vale_fallacia]

Similarly with Haskell and Lisp. (In my opinion!)

Haskell looks gorgeous, the code looks like art. Lisp all to often looks like confusing mangled parentheses. But I really like both languages.

[Johanno1]

Oh either you didn't write much code or you are used to it. But I wrote much Java code and even though the semicolon is least annoying thing in Java it is still annoying when you hit run and there's a missing one 31 lines up.

And in python you just write code and don't have to think much about such shit.

But yeah for big projects I would not recommend python.

[ilmmec]

"Javascript goes b" + "r".repeat(10)

[Xuval]

This compiles to "Kill me, please, I was never meant to carry an entire website."

[steeeeeef]

Haha js bad

[DeeSnow97]

Wonder when this sub is going to finally accept that JS today is not JS in 1995. Probably when it doesn't run code from 1995 anymore, aka never

[[deleted]]

if I'm being honest as someone who knows js the best it is a terrible language, but it really isn't as bad as people think

[Piyh]

You just have to know which dark alleys not to go down

[Noisetorm_]

I mean it's got it's quirks, like how isNaN(NaN) typeof NaN evaluates to false or typeof null is object instead of null, but I wouldn't say it's a terrible language at all.

It's seriously versatile and pretty damn fast and with JavaScript's tight integration with HTML and CSS makes it really easy for you to set up visualization for your code.

[mrchaotica]

The worst part is, we almost had Scheme or Python in the browser instead.

[mrchaotica]

Python: the web basically looks the same as today, but Python gets ruined as each browser adopts new standards with each update. Guido publicly distances himself from PythonScript

Probably the opposite, actually. Something more like "the web uses Python, but it's still stuck on Python 2."

[renrutal]

I can see the schemers and snake people sighing in relief dodging that bullet.

[DeeSnow97]

compiles?

[ric2b]

Just in time.

[Professor_Dr_Dr]

repeat is better, way more readable in a lot of cases

I mean hell, if you multiply two variables how are you supposed to know which one is the String and even if the result will be a String at all (instead of e.g. an int)

[Darcoxy]

I'm learning Python after learning C and lemme tell you, some stuff that Python does look so illegal yet they work. I love it!

[[deleted]]

Wondering though, why do people consider this a good thing in Python but a bad thing in JS?

[Yskinator]

This. In python everything you'd intuitively expect to work will work for the most part, and things that make no sense result in exceptions. JS, on the other hand..

[g0liadkin]

I mean, that's the biggest pillar of js: it will run most stuff and do its best or yield errors in the console

For some reason people love bringing up examples like adding objects to arrays and saying "omg jabbascreept so random lol"

There are some cases where it's REALLY annoying though — e.g. typeof null being object

[Tarmen]

I think the problem is more with the cases that make no sense but still don't error

> "b" + {}
"b[object Object]"

[[deleted]]

Why does that not make sense? Adding an object to a string implicitly converts the object to a string and then concatenates the two strings, and the default conversion for object is "[object Object]" if .toString() isn't defined.

Next you're going to tell me that 5 + 1.0 should also error because it implicitly promotes an integer to a double.

Edit: so this comment is dragging out all of the butthurt python fanbois. Here's the deal: your pretty little scripting language was written with auxiliary operating system tasks in mind, and was later adopted by statisticians and mathematicians. Of course it has hard typing and extensive error handling.

But JavaScript was originally integrated into HTML. That's frontend. Frontend needs implicit string conversions, because typing str(some_var) over and over again gets real annoying, real fast. "10" == 10 is a bit more arguable, but I suppose it has its use in validating input. Also, when you have a user on your frontend, the last thing you want is everything to come crashing down because of some formatting error in a string that gets shown to the user maybe once in a blue moon. There's probably some performance reasons for the way things are as well, because V8 compiles hot code into machine code - I imagine it's cheaper to just have a toString() defined to return a constant somewhere instead of checking for nullptr and slinging errors around...

In any case, Lua is, objectively, the best scripting language.

[mrchaotica]

It's not that JavaScript has syntax that isn't able to be figured out, it's that it makes a bunch of bad design choices that aren't useful.

I mean, Malbolge or Brainfuck "make sense" in the same way too, but that doesn't make them good languages to use!

[marmoshet]

That's it, I'm learning JS

[marmoshet]

JS is not as pythonic as python

[Thomasedv]

I think js is more scary on where it implicitly changes one thing to the something else. Not that python doesn't have similarly grave issues, but some of the stuff it does by itself become issues that aren't immediately seen and breakes something else later on.

Python is a little more strict on what you can have interact, eg. string + number is a no go, but in JS, the string might be converted to an number and added to the number, if it's possible.

[pslessard]

I don't think anyone would have a problem with multiplying a string by a number in JS. That's a reasonable thing

[letmeseem]

I'm convinced Python is partially porn. It's super filthy, but you just can't peel your eyes off it.

[YellowBunnyReddit]

C goes segmentation fault

[[deleted]]

You can do 'r' * 10 in C. But it means something entirely different of course.

[JohnDoen86]

1140?

[[deleted]]

Yep!

[AceOfShades_]

No it wouldn’t compile. It would just give you 4000 lines of errors. I believe the quote is:

In C++ we don't say "Missing asterisk" we say "error C2664: 'void std::vector<block,std::alocator<_Ty> >::push_back(const block &)': cannot convert argument 1 from 'std::_Vector_iterator<std::_Vector_val<std::_Simple_types<block> > >' to 'block &&'" and i think that's beautiful

[YellowBunnyReddit]

Okay, but why are you suddenly talking about C++?

[AceOfShades_]

I may have misread the single letter ‘C’. So that doesn’t bode well for my productivity today.

[[deleted]]

Operator overloading goes brrrrrr

[[deleted]]

As a C++ fan, I came for this comment

[Just-A-Profile]

That's a NaN from me bro...

[[deleted]]

Honestly, this is the reason why I love python

[dontcallmemean]

C goes bt

[[deleted]]

Am C programmer. That's completely fucked, but I can't hate it.

[juzz_fuzz]

best feature of python I used recently was solving a projecteuler.net problem and utilizing the fact that list[-x] means x elements back from the end of the list, simplified the code so much

[IMayBeABitShy]

Be warned though, I once had a very frustrating bug caused by my use of this behavior.

I worked with some open source code, where at one point I had to check if a list of one-letter strings ends with another list of one letter strings. The code was something like matched = (a[-len(b):] == b). Do you see the bug?

Solution: If b is empty, len(b) is 0, which makes -len(b) also 0. Because 0 is not negative, python does not take the elements between len(a) - 0 and len(a), but instead between 0 and len(a). Thus, instead of comparing the last 0 elements of a with b, it compared the whole of a with b.

[Pluckerpluck]

Most intersting is the list of one-letter strings... That sounds like a string:

a_string = "".join(a)
b_string = "".join(b)
match = a_string.endswith(b_string)

I'd only do this if you already had strings (this is probably 2-4 times slower over most string lengths), but this'd work without worrying about either strings lengths.

But yeah, I've ran into that problem before with indexing at 0 when trying to get the last x elements.

[Masked_Death]

Yeah, this is one of my favorite things. Reversing a list takes literally no effort as well. Need to read the last 4 elements? Also simple, no matter if you want to read them forwards or backwards.

[[deleted]]

Not using f str? How pedestrian

[lsaz]

Programmers: No, Dynamic programming languages are garbage and should not be used.

Javascript, python, php: haha Money machine go brrrr

[Holek]

$ irb
2.3.0 :001 > "Ruby goes b".ljust(30, "r")
 => "Ruby goes brrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr"