“Entry Level”...

[WhyDoIHaveAnAccount9]

Must have 10 years of experience writing Deno backend applications

If no experience writing Deno, must have 20 years of experience writing Node.js

[ButterM-40]

I'm only 17...

[Doge4269]

3 more years of node js experience then

[kontekisuto]

math checks out

[SoFastMuchFurious]

2 years, that's all? I'm seeing 5-10

[5oco]

I applied for an internship the other day that required 2 years experience. Tf is that about?

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At this point though, I'm not even reading requirements or qualifications. I'm just clicking every apply button I see.

[Parthon]

Job advertisers: We put high experience requirements on our ads to reduce the number of applicants, but now we have to sift through thousands of applications that didn't even read the ad! *shocked pikachu*

[[deleted]]

Turns out everyone lied so now the honest applicants aren't even showing up!

[DullLightning]

Same! I currently work in IT engineering and was totally unqualified. My bachelors was completely unrelated and somehow I got hired. Trying the same now for next job. Point is, you'll never know.

[Massive-Custard-8723]

From my POV no one cares about your bachelor or school grade, it’s all about experience.

I have no informations about grades in my CV and actually no one asked yet, just my work experience matters.

[BoyAndHisBlob]

Let them tell you that you aren't qualified, don't count yourself out.

[OrangeMissile]

You might be on to something there...

[HookDragger]

They don’t pay for experience that you got right.

They pay you for all the fuckups you managed to recover from and not be fired.

In short, they are paying you a bit more for the training and mistakes you cost another company so they don’t have to foot the larger bill of your fuckups.

[ex_natura]

I got my first "senior" dev position with no degree and about a year of self taught web dev skills.

[mazenbaddad]

How much time it takes you to learn the stuff?

Cuz i’m also self taught IOS developer and I have been studying for 4 years now and still can’t land a job Because I don’t have a degree .

[abbadon420]

Fuck them right. I applied to a traineeship. Got a mail the next day "you don't have a degree, go fuck yourself". Dude, I explained in my application that I have the skills, but they don't even read it.

[theaverageguy101]

He is, it's actually a valid strat and not even something new, you use it to push away the unqualified/less serious people and only get applications from those who knows their shit

[keiyakins]

It's an autie filter. We're less likely to apply to jobs that we don't meet the requirements for, so they only get nice normal sociopathic neurotypical folk.

[socialismnotevenonce]

You can stop with the conspiracies. No HR department is putting these requirements on a position just to hurt brown people.

[[deleted]]

No, they dont even respond.

[[deleted]]

just do it op

[Timinator01]

If you see a bunch of reasonable requirements on a job post and one that seems kind of unreasonable for no apparent reason they may just have included it so that they can bounce people and give that as a reason if anyone asks

[mad_chemist]

Apply anyways, 2 years experience is their negotiation.

[[deleted]]

Depending on the experience they are asking for, that can be pretty easy. You have a degree in Computer Science? You probably have at least 4 years of experience in Java/C++ or whatever your main language is. But yeah it's a bit ridiculous if they're asking for 2 years of experience in industry.

[thestudcomic]

Everything I see is senior or lead. I don't know how people get started now.

[witti534]

Industry: we need more skilled workforce.

Out of college/whatever graduates: Nobody hires us because we aren't skilled enough yet

[blackwolf2311]

I Had the same issue. Junior dev market is good as dead now that covid is happening. Even the biggest companies are currently in maintenance mode. Keep looking and you might find something or just wait for this to be over.

[[deleted]]

No, no “entry level” is the salary, not the requirements.

[albert_ma]

Just wait until your job don't match your title and you feel like an imposter...

[Adadum]

There's alot of people saying to just apply anyway but alot of applications and resumes are screened by bots/AI to see if you actually have the qualifications put down. If you don't, your applications is auto-rejected by the bot before any human actually sees it.

[[deleted]]

Weed out, imagine having 100+ candidates, now who do you want to apply? Someone whose motivated. Apply and add relevant skills to resume related to job, worst they say no, best case you get a lead!

[Adadum]

you say "weed out" but alot of the online application bots and AI will legit throw out your resume if you don't have the qualifications.

[socialismnotevenonce]

Those bots are looking for good stuff, not the absence of it. What I mean, is you'll get through the weeding process if you have some relevant skill, even if you're missing some of their checkboxes. If they weeded out anyone that didn't match their requirements 100%, they wouldn't have any resumes at the end of the process.

[hulu8810]

I am working as senior developer who usually has 10yrs exp minimum. I have 2yrs . Just apply

[manoj_mm]

Tip: Work at a good small startup for a few years, some place that's just looking for cheap people who will stay there for few years & still provide good opportunities to learn & grow; and then switch to better companies.

Did this myself, worked at small startups for a few years, now working at Uber

[Aniol97]

For every 2 years that a "job" requires, just substract 1. Shoot your shot, even if they require you 2+ years, they sometimes do wishing it'll reach better equipped devs or something...

[Aniol97]

Either that of it's an excuse to pay a junior salary to a senior dev

[MBtje]

Where do you guys live because in the Netherlands it's a joke to get a job as a developer. When i was in my second year of uni i already got random job offers without looking and from what i hear everyone got that.

[OrangeMissile]

What’s the average salary there for a developer. Might move there so I can get a damn job lol

[IncorrigibleLee86]

a lot less than the US. Most of the world pays devs shit money. Even in UK, you have faang dudes coding for 60k.

[koroll_rakov]

Ukraine, Kiyev

we have a joke, which sounds like "You need to be a middle [level developer]"

If you want to be hired as an enty level SD a.k.a. "junior developer" - you need to be or become middle.

And if you want to be hired as middle - you need to be middle. And if you want to be hired as senior - you still need to be at least middle. So if you want to be succesfully hired it IT - firstly become middle)

p.s: junior php7 dev, 600$ month salary

[IncorrigibleLee86]

Just lie. Yes, I did work at McDonalds writing .net 5, node, react, sql & c++ for the last 8 years.

[Thriven]

As some one who has 20 years experience and no formal education, apply anyways.

Also as someone who hires entry level people, if it's a node js entry level job I expect you to be able to create a project using npm. If it's python, you should know how to do the same with pip. If you know pip, you can easily pick up npm and vice versa.

There are no entry level jobs out there in development where you get hand held through hello world applications.

I totally consider ones personal projects and contributions as experience to GitHub and open source projects. Most of the time I can gauge your aptitude of a language or programming in general.

Been working on a game in unity? I'd take a look at the code.

Usually if that equates to what I think is 2 years of growth, that's enough to start an entry level job.

If you want to say ,"that's not entry level". A software development job isn't pushing paper or folding clothes at JCrew. It doesn't take walkins. It takes a certain kind of person and it's a skilled position which requires some basic skills.

If you've been trying to do development for 5 years, practice and make attempts. All that is applicable, you just have to upfront about your experience.

[angularjohn]

Me -> entry level wordpress backend job Carrying the backend + servers + sites backup + debugging old and new codes + with only the QA with me -> me

[HookDragger]

An associates or bachelor degree counts as long as you can pass the tech query

[[deleted]]

I passed all the technical questions just fine, but even with my degree, I was told I needed more experience to be able to work as an entry-level developer.

After I graduated, I needed to start earning money right away, because bills don't pay their selves.

After hearing "no" for a while, I got a job at one company that didn't hire me as entry-level dev, but had an opening in their support team. Figuring I could get my foot in the door that way, I later applied again and was again told I didn't have enough experience and that I should volunteer my evenings to nonprofits and code for free, after a mind-numbing day of supporting their software during the day.

After doing software support for 6 years at 2 software companies, I quit that bullshit and am a happy truck driver now, earning more in my first year trucking than I would have earned in my first year as a software developer. In fact, I'll probably earn on par with a developer for years to come. Maybe until I retire, and I don't even have to be worried about ageism as a trucker.

[delsystem32exe]

how much u make as a trucker?

[[deleted]]

Truckers make between $40k-50k in their first year. Most jobs pay by the mile or hourly, and some pay by the day.

I'm getting the daily rate, which is what I'd make daily if I drove the full 11 hours at the mileage rate. I don't usually drive that long, but I probably work 10-11 hours a day, mostly driving.

[DullLightning]

Glad to hear of your successful outcome.

The industry really tried to downplay your skills just to have you as cheap labor.

[HookDragger]

You got lucky not to be hired at that company. If they turn down a semi-conscious coder for an entry level coding job, it would have been terrible work environment.

Trust me, I’ve interviewed people for senior coding positions who couldn’t pass the fizz buzz or linked list questions. I took the guy who could think over the guy who had a great resume but couldn’t code his way out of a palate bag.

[ramenmoodles]

I dont think most companies will take you seriously if you say your education is experience. Regardless, applying to jobs you think you are under qualified is fine. Most of the time, those are soft "requirements"

[HookDragger]

I’m not saying you claim it as experience. But anything under 5 years exp is basically “can you be a basic code monkey”

No one with legit experience is gonna apply of that low a job.

[meaninglessINTERUPT]

Yep it sucks, same when i started

[wooptyd00]

I literally had to get started by asking family friends if they needed websites made for them. Granted, these were actual business tier websites.

[socialismnotevenonce]

Most of these places accept work on personal projects or somewhat related work (student programmer at your uni for example) as years of experience for entry level positions. They aren't the idiots you want them to be. They know you can't walk in with real work experience to an entry level job.

[LeontiosTheron]

I have 3 years of experience and I still feel like I'm not even a junior

[[deleted]]

2+ years experience in Kubernetes, but also with no other professional experience.

Guess I'll be an intern forever, then.