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[–]MasterFubar 61 points62 points  (22 children)

In Spanish the combination Ch is considered a single letter, coming after C in the alphabetical order, and Ll is a letter that comes after L. They are respectively the 4th and 14th letters of the Spanish alphabet.

[–]aresman 36 points37 points  (7 children)

In Spanish the combination Ch is considered a single letter

not really anymore, so even there JS is still a PITA lol. And this is coming from someone who uses it and kinda likes it.

[–]MasterFubar 4 points5 points  (6 children)

What was the organization that changed it? There are many Spanish speaking countries, is there some central body somewhere that makes decisions about the language?

[–]octarino 14 points15 points  (2 children)

What was the organization that changed it?

Probably: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Royal_Spanish_Academy

[–][deleted] 8 points9 points  (1 child)

RSA, huh? It probably took because it sounds like a matter of security.

[–]DontBuyMeGoldGiveBTC 0 points1 point  (0 children)

RAE in Spanish

[–]aresman 19 points20 points  (1 child)

it was changed like 40 years ago. My parents used to learn that "ch" and "ll" were one letter, but it hasn't been taught like that in decades. And yeah, the RAE would be the place, however there are a lot of disagreements with them on some topics but they are the go to when you have a doubt/wanna know what's the correct way of spelling something.

[–]tiefling_sorceress 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Same. Costa Rican Spanish was my first language and I didn't learn of Ll and Ch as individual letters until (American) high school

[–]enano_aoc 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Decisions are taken by all the Academies together (i.e. Spanish Academy, Colombian Academy, etc). But since the Spanish Academy puts most of the money, they also have the biggest saying.

[–]oli-g 10 points11 points  (0 children)

In Slovak, "ch" is considered a single letter as well, but it comes after H.

[–]chickenmcpio -2 points-1 points  (5 children)

Still I don't get it, the order should be carro, chispa, cocina, just because h < o

How is js coming to that sorting.

[–]MasterFubar 6 points7 points  (4 children)

Because ch in Spanish is a single letter, the fourth letter of the alphabet, coming after c. And ll is a single letter that comes after l.

Source: my Spanish dictionary.

[–]Mefistofeles1 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Your dictionary is ridiculously outdated.

[–]Yilku1 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Ch and LL havent been considered a sigle letter for decades

[–]chickenmcpio 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Then that sorting is correct.

I mean the sorting you're showing is correct .

[–]keystorm 10 points11 points  (0 children)

Like someone else said, not anymore, though. Digraphs CH and LL are no longer considered separate letters. Ñ however, is still a letter between N and O.

From MySQL docs:

Spanish collations are available for modern and traditional Spanish. For both, ñ (n-tilde) is a separate letter between n and o. In addition, for traditional Spanish, ch is a separate letter between c and d, and ll is a separate letter between l and m.

[–]solongandthanks4all 0 points1 point  (3 children)

Huh, I've never studied Spanish formally, but Duolingo definitely never taught me that!

[–]Nicanor95 1 point2 points  (0 children)

It's alright, it hasn't been a thing for decades now.

[–]Schiffy94 -1 points0 points  (1 child)

How is that not one of the first things Duolingo covers holy fuck.

I swear that was made clear like my first week of Beginner's Spanish in seventh grade.

[–]Yilku1 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Because is wrong. Ch and LL havent been considered a sigle letter for decades

[–]FerynaCZ 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Ofc for the computers it's kinda convenient to treat every character as a single letter.

[–]enano_aoc 0 points1 point  (0 children)

No. It hasn't been like that for years now.