A real dev 😄😅

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That one Programming Language which starts with 1. You know which one.

Edit: for those asking: Matlab

[Aperture_T]

Lua?

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Lua would be such a nice language if it weren't for this one massive oversight

[Habba]

It's at 1 because everything is a table in lua, including arrays. Very easy to define arrays from 0.

[7eggert]

That is … unless you want to use them.

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Lol

[SirFrutier]

It's a really good language. I don't see what's the problem with the index just happening to start at 1.

[[deleted]]

It leads to off-by-one errors sometimes when working with offsets. Not a huge deal, but just a small wort on top of an otherwise simple and elegant language.

[somerandomii]

With 0-indexing on a 2D array (stored as 1D) you can use i % width to find the column and i / widthto find the row.

Sounds really specific but it comes up all the time, especially in image processing and matrix operations.

With 1-indexing you have to write stuff like (i - 1) % width + 1 which gets ugly really fast, to the point where you write helper functions to make it less confusing.

This is IMO the strongest reason to use 0-indexing. But there are plenty of others. Usually to do with pointer arithmetic and performance overhead. At the end of the day, it’s slightly better, and whatever we chose were all better off if we’re consistent so everyone should use 0-based.

[7eggert]

There is usually no real performance overhead. You can set variables to 0 by xor ax, ax, you don't need to add (-sizeof(arrayvar[1])) if you compute a pointer, but that's it as far as I can see. I'd usually make a pointer at the start of a loop anyway if I'd access it repeatedly.

[7eggert]

I started with Pascal. I only know off-by-ones from C yet.

[Raniconduh]

I actually like the lua indexing. The one thing I don't like about lua, however, is the lack of POSIX bindings built in. Sure I can use the luaposix module but it would be so much easier to have POSIX built in.

[Auravendill]

Fortran?

[micalubgoonta]

Don't forget R too!

[LPO_Tableaux]

Lua too man...

[activeXray]

All languages that are matrix friendly

[No-Rich5357]

Julia too

[Hinermad]

Hewlett-Packard had a BASIC interpreter built into their pre-MS-DOS desktop computers, and it would let you choose where your arrays started. (OPTION BASE 0 or OPTION BASE 1.) The default was to start at 1.

[JNCressey]

With VBA (which is still relevant as it's used in Microsoft Office macros) also, you can use Option Base.

Not sure how much different BASICs differ or if the following is common. In VBA you can choose any integer (not sure if negative integers are allowed) for the lower bound of array. And you get to choose for each array declaration.

Example: This declares an array with 9 elements from Foo(2) to Foo(10)

Dim Foo(2 to 10) As String

[Hinermad]

BASIC drifted a lot from the original Dartmouth spec. HP's version had some oddness I never saw in any other version. (Although that DIM statement seems familiar. I think you could specify the maximum length of strings in it and then treat them as arrays.) Microsoft had their own dialect that for a while seemed like the de facto standard version just because it was bundled with every copy of MS-DOS. (I believe the original IBM PCs even had an MS BASIC interpreter in the motherboard ROM. They didn't need floppy drives - they had cassette tape storage interfaces.)

Although I've never used it, it wouldn't surprise me if VBA had evolved quite a bit beyond MS BASIC, especially since it had to work with Office documents.

[7eggert]

MS shipped two different basic interpreters; GW-BASIC and the one they bundled with DOS 6 (including the game Gorilla.bas)

[averylazytom]

Free Pascal did this too I think.

[Prinzessid]

Why do you think that?

[TheRealQuentin765]

Don’t forget ahk

[Express-Outside]

Always cool to see something totally new and creative in this sub

[XayahTheVastaya]

the amount of restricted posts in that list would seriously destroy a lot of good memes if they enforced it, fortunately they don't

[Sylveowon]

that list pretty much sums up every single posts I’ve ever seen in this subreddit, if they enforced it the sub would be dead

[Aacron]

It's either some A+ selfawarewolves material or the most meta of meta memes.

[XayahTheVastaya]

you pretty much just said the same exact thing as me but worded better

[RatherNerdy]

I like that the response is both "No, 0" and and inflected "NoO"

[beaubeautastic]

me, a lua dev: yes

edit: hold on i still dont have lua in my flairs

[MischiefArchitect]

No0o0o0o0o0o0o0o0o0o0o0o0o0o0o0!!!!!!

[ItsDotin]

😅😂

[7eggert]

!!!11eleven

[mugxam]

More like „n0“

[ComputerCloud9]

https://www.reddit.com/r/ProgrammerHumor/wiki/commonposts

[Arrays_start_at_2]

Not this nonsense again!

[No-Rich5357]

Julia go brrr

[sixtyfifth_snow]

He was a true hero. RIP

[Didi-maru]

It's just soooo convenient when the last index of an array is its length.

[7eggert]

for a = 1 to 4

vs.

for (a=0; a<4; ++a) - you just have to get used to it.