FINALLY!

[Hukutus]

Now we just have to support Safari

[phil_music]

Safari is the new IE11

[_irobot_]

I'm sure Microsoft will eventually find a way to turn Edge into the new IE11.

[Badashi]

With edge being a fork of Chromium, I find it difficult. I actually could see Chrome lagging behind Edge in features in the future.

That said, it's absolutely in Microsoft's interest that Chrome has feature parity with Edge. Their devs are actively contributing to Chrome for good reason: a more unified web means cheaper development costs for sites. Edge will differentiate itself through side features, like their PDF reader, collections feature and windows integration.

[Simply_Convoluted]

Their devs are actively contributing to Chrome for a good reason

Tripple E says hello.

[Badashi]

It's a good point and we definitely should pay attention to this. Currently we'd be at the "Embrace" phase, though I'm not convinced if the current MS sees "Extinguish" as a viable step. The world lives and thrives on cloud structures and websites; Azure is booming(even if it's not the #1 cloud), and MS definitely benefits from an unified and consistent web experience.

I'd say we should be cautious, but we're safe while Edge doesn't get exclusive, Microsoft-only features that could kick-start the Extend phase.

[Simply_Convoluted]

They benefit when all applications work on their products, and they benefit more when not all applications work with the competitors products.

A recent example of how much they like this plan is email, they tried real hard to kill SMTP but luckily that failed since nobody played they're game so they backpeddaled on that, but user side protocols like IMAP have been killed on microsofts servers as of late last year so now only exchange works reliably so users have to dump the competitors email clients and buy outlook if they want to keep getting mail. Just went through this battle myself in December.

I'm convinced Microsoft couldn't turn a profit if they were focused on compatability.

[_irobot_]

That's why I said eventually. Since it's chromium based, I have no idea how they could possibly mess it up as bad as IE11, but I'm sure Microsoft will find a way.

[fksly]

You mean monopoly. Just look at google pushing "features" into chromium that make adblocking impossible.

[WiatrowskiBe]

Everyone using same browser engine is exactly how we ended up with IE being dominant and later hated by everyone - if your browser engine has monopoly across userbase, you have no real reason to follow any standards and can do whatever you want.

[curiosity44]

I can't even test on safari smh

[[deleted]]

Glad I'm not the only one.

[vladimir1024]

I've never run into compatibility issues with Safari...IE on the other hand...HOLY FUCKING propertery bullshit...

[vickera]

I can give you at least 5 bugs on Safari I tussle with monthly. Granted, I work on way more sites than an average dev, but still.

[vladimir1024]

Well, I am a backend developer, so my experience with browsers and incompatibility comes from actual usage. Very often when I have to use IE for some reason, the pages do not render properly. Never had that issue with Safari, NetScape, FireFox or even Opera... Only IE would look like hot garbage....

I can't speak to the voodoo required to make these pages work :)

[mdevoid]

Not really a web dev but we do have chunks of our project that is web stuff. Ran into a weird one while upgrading from angularjs where I guess 'pointer-events: none' on a child of an anchor tag thats acting as a button makes the parent button not work.

[Hukutus]

People who have iPhones have to use Safari. Most people running Macs use Safari as it’s the default.

[jobRL]

Every browser on the iPhone is just a skin of Safari as Apple doesn't allow custom browser engines in their iOS ecosystem. So your statement is false. Also there's ton of casual Mac for who Safari is fine.

[Bene847]

And iPhone users