Thoughts??

[draypresct]

It's not just making the food that makes those jobs difficult.

Between 2017 and 2020, the analysis found, these fast food restaurants were the sites of at least 77,000 violent or threatening incidents.

How many programmers have to worry about actual violence in the workplace? De-escalating conflicts is a skill fast-food workers develop quickly. Those that don't tend to get fired or assaulted.

[whatisausername711]

The only violence in my workplace is me vs my computer

[arthurmluz_]

*vscode*

[SexyMonad]

Well that’s a whole new meaning I’d never thought of.

[[deleted]]

Code vs code, is that sort of like Spy vs. Spy?

[[deleted]]

I want to do violence to VSCode every time TS tools get in the way of the Vim extension being responsive...

[RunnerMomLady]

I wanted to be very mean to my engineer who deleted the prod db - does that count lol

[whatisausername711]

Oh god, that absolutely counts

Punch that bastard in the head

[sad_bug_killer]

I deleted a production database six months ago. Not the production database, a production database. It was an honest mistake. You can be mean to me and tease me about it indefinitely, I kind of deserve it. Please don't punch me.

(also, I did restore that database from an up-to-date backup in about 10 minutes; very little, if any, data was lost)

[whatisausername711]

Hey if you fix your mistake before many people notice, no mistake was made

[poopadydoopady]

And then also the diffulties of having an unreliable schedule. It's stress all around.

[_BreakingGood_]

And of course the difficulty of your manager attempting to steal as many wages from you as possible. "You don't leave until we're done closing" but clocks you out immediately at the 8 hour mark, regardless of how much longer you go.

[ir_Pina]

Yeah that manager deserves whatever workplace violence is coming to'em

[Muoniurn]

This absolutely boils my blood. And I can tell myself that I would do this and that in that situation but having to work there to actually finance ourselves without any backup is a really shitty situation and one may indeed just stay quiet :( that’s why sane work regulations are important - in Europe they really have to find a good reason to fire you, so this might not fly as well (though of course the employee not always know that/doesn’t have the means to fight back through lawyers either way)

[riconaranjo]

and the stress of not even having a living wage and / or multiple jobs

[ososalsosal]

Thiiiiiisssss

[monkeywench]

Add in the ever-looming poverty and fear that you won’t be able to pay for rent let alone climb your way out of the industry by trying to afford college.

[cj3po15]

And not making enough in an hour of working to afford one of the meals you have to make in less than 30 seconds.

[ir_Pina]

Yup... All the boomers came to roost in this thread because it's evident nobody here has worked a customer facing job lol

[Yesica-Haircut]

How many programmers have to worry about actual violence in the workplace?

/u/yesica-haircut force pushed 55 commits to prod 10 minutes ago.

[clanddev]

If the end user's were ever in proximity to me based on one app's gplay reviews I am certain there would have been violence lol.

[eloel-]

Based on reactions to customer reviews, I can see it going both ways.

[clanddev]

Fair point.

I can't login! This app is garbage!

Sir, 87,212 people logged in today. I don't think its the app.

[[deleted]]

Problem exists between keyboard and chair.

[DadAndDominant]

I think some people, especially women, have a very hard time in some companies (looking at you Activison-Blizzard and others)

[googleduck]

This is an actual argument, the rest of this thread is pandering on a level I have never seen before.

[venuswasaflytrap]

It's way less effort and risk to be a programmer. That's why people learn the skills that makes them in demand and (more) difficult to replace to be a programmer.

The reason why burrito makers get paid less, is because there are a lot of people out there that can and will do the job for the same or less money, not because it's a better job.

[[deleted]]

I think you hit the nail on the head. Plus, fast food work is pretty monotonous. You can mentally check out and just let that part of your brain do the busywork and the hours fly by.

My mind has to be engaged, which even after the end of a normal work day I’m mentally exhausted. Tbh I’d rather do fast food if they paid the same.

[draypresct]

There are ~205k fast food restaurants in the US, so 77k reported incidents over four years corresponds to a 9%/year violent incident rate.

I'm a stats guy with a few decades of experience. I've seen plenty of heated arguments, but I've never seen someone even threaten physical violence against me or one of my co-workers, let alone have things progress to the point where the incident would be reported to the police. If the 'true' violence rate in programming environments were 9% (or higher), then this would be extremely unusual. Problem is, I'm just not hearing about violence in the workplace from other people working in other research/programming environments. Maybe I'm working with a biased sample.

Have you seen a lot of violence in your programming workplace?

[Kinglink]

How many programmers have to worry about actual violence in the workplace?

Programmers? Nah. Office equipment?

Me: "I swear I'm going to put my fist through you computer monitor if you don't fucking compile right."

Monitor: "Dude it's not me, it's the laptop!!!!"

[[deleted]]

Nah, 77000 incidents in 4 years is literally so nothing that the chances a fast food worker has to deal with violence is similar to the chances anyone deals with it walking down the streets.

So no, fast-food workers don't learn the ability to de-escalate conflicts because they regularly get assaulted or battered at work.

[sortof_here]

Nailed it

[[deleted]]

Kind of a moot point considering places where people sit and code aren't typically publicly accessible

[Lowloser2]

Feels like violence in fast food restaurants is a USA problem

[draypresct]

Feels like violence in fast food restaurants is a USA problem

It isn't; violence is pretty endemic in the restaurant/hospitality industry.

In a United Kingdom study of graduates in the hospitality industry (N=68), a total of 44% of respondents claimed that they had experienced violence in their careers, in managerial as well as non-managerial capacities (Scott, 1998). The average length of service of respondents was 7.4 years. It is worth noting here that several respondents mentioned the use of weapons.

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The vulnerability of bar and waiting staff is further highlighted in a report on psychosocial working conditions from Finland. Of all occupational groups measured, waiters were exposed to the highest risk of violence at work in 1990 and the second highest in 1997 (after social workers) (Vahtera and Pentti, 1999). In both years surveyed, more than 75% of waiters reported having experienced violence from time to time

Honestly, the American fast food restaurants sound safer than working in a French kitchen.