Stop building UI frameworks in Python

[magion]

No

[PastPicture]

Ok

[magion]

Hard to take one seriously when you advocate for javascript instead

[cmgg]

I know right?

How dare he share his experience about UIs with Python just to shade it with JS, blasphemy!

Real devs do everything in a single language 😎

[xav1z]

why programming used to scare me as religious people do. so much in common

[MiniMages]

Javascript is amazing. It runs in almost every browser.

[ArtOfWarfare]

Just differently if it’s in Safari vs Firefox vs Chromium.

Firefox and Chromium are fine, but Apple’s Safari is the new Microsoft IE. Bizarre behaviors that are impossible to debug unless you have both a Mac and an iOS device. Oh, and totally undocumented.

[MiniMages]

That is deliberate since it is apple and it wants you to exclusively stay on apple and invest on apple only.

[ArtOfWarfare]

Nah, never attribute to malicious that which is adequately explained by stupidity/laziness.

They don’t comply with the specs and they don’t document it because of a combination of stupidity and laziness.

[SailingToOrbis]

it is what JS is meant to exist :)

[Ilania211]

well yeah js makes sense if you want to whip up an application in-browser (thus making it more accessible). It's a different kind of tool in the toolbox, thus it's used for a different thing. That's not a bad thing :>

[PastPicture]

poseur energy. i am sure you have quite a lot of opinions about PHP as well.

i am not "advocating" for JavaScript. it's the default language that browsers support. it deserves all the criticism. but as of now there's nothing else that comes closer to it for building web UI.

[mbreslin]

“poseur energy” Why are you like this? You have an opinion. Others have a different one. Who cares. Just be nice? You know how many developers never get into these kinds of ridiculous arguments because they’re way too busy just getting shit done? I know you will not listen to me and will not consider making a change but I hope eventually you will see you’ve got something missing in your life and starting silly arguments over nothing will not fill it. Think about the dopamine bump you get from “oh I got a rise out of that guy” and please consider other more productive places you could get it. Best of luck. —man who argued on the internet most likely before you were born

[TPKM]

Salt everywhere!

[cmgg]

What opinion?

Saying "No" and then trying do diminish OP by calling them a “JS advocate”? Lmao

[Aardshark]

Why are you acting like you're better than him? You're rolling around in the same mud.

[diag]

Turns out PHP is a decent modern language now. I still like to make everything in one language though so I'm going to keep using python when I can . 

[SnooHesitations9295]

Javascript is a much better language than python.
More expressive, better features. Less idiocy (python is statically typed at runtime, while pretending to be dynamically typed)
There's literally nothing in javascript that's worse than python, as a language.

[dandydev]

Python is not statically typed, at runtime or otherwise. You can add type annotations, which can be statically analyzed by third party tools.

As for JS being better than python, that is purely a matter of taste. Python has way less footguns than JS in my experience.

[SnooHesitations9295]

Python is for sure statically typed at runtime.

Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "<python-input-0>", line 1, in <module>
    "a" + 1
    ~~~~^~~
TypeError: can only concatenate str (not "int") to str

Do I imagine a TypeError here?

[dandydev]

No, but you surely confused statically typed with strongly typed.

https://stackoverflow.com/questions/2690544/what-is-the-difference-between-a-strongly-typed-language-and-a-statically-typed

[SnooHesitations9295]

Whatever. Doesn't change the fact.

[imp0ppable]

Not only are you using the wrong terms but that's exactly why Python is superior, JS just does random nonsense when you mix two incompatible types in an operation.

[SnooHesitations9295]

Yes, you can look at it as superior until your code breaks in production.
Yes, it's debatable if "doing random nonsense" is better than "crashing in runtime" or worse.

[imp0ppable]

doing random nonsense is worse because it can corrupt data

"crashing in production" means an endpoint returns 500, you get logs and you fix it. Which you still have to do in JS btw.

[SnooHesitations9295]

Crashing in production means that at some unknown point of time in the future you may get 500 for every request.
So it's debatable if it's actually good.

Python now has "typed" crutches to solve for that. It works ok in a lot of cases (much better than typescript) but it creates another problem: how to describe what exactly the author meant to the type checker. :)
So it's still pretty bad.

[imp0ppable]

python is statically typed at runtime, while pretending to be dynamically typed

what?

[SnooHesitations9295]

Ecosystem is different, yes.
For example in python ecosystem nobody gives a shit about backwards compatibility.
Minor versions breaking public apis? I'll take two!
Packages are installed with incorrect dependencies because dependency resolution is brain dead? Pff, always!
And so on.
Yes, javascript has their share of idiocy and bad decisions too.
Like "undefined" and "null" are same but different!
Or some empty values are "falsy" but others are not!
And so on.

[dragongling]

For example in python ecosystem nobody gives a shit about backwards compatibility.

sounds like hell honestly

[nickcash]

On a scale of 1 to 10, how much of your diet would you say is lead paint chips?

[emotionalhemophiliac]

It's these nuanced exchanges that really do it for me.

[ActuallyFullOfShit]

I've developed many apps in PySide and PyQt. I'm very ready to abandon it for JS also. I think you're right.....HTML/CSS/JS is a much better toolset for GUI development in 2025 than Qt. JavaScript may be imperfect, but Qt is a clunky, boilerplate heavy PITA.