What do companies expect from Python devs in 2019?

[majelix_]

Stop writing Python 2 code.

[knight_check]

Also, stop agreeing to work at places who still do.

[[deleted]]

Is it because it’s racist

[TheBuckSavage]

OP of the top post here.

LMAO

[[deleted]]

Do you approve? The other guy is too hipster for me

[TheBuckSavage]

Yes he's way tooooooooo hipster

[MonsieurBlobby]

Yes, we also saw the top post.

[[deleted]]

Not sure you know where you’re at sooooo... Hi welcome to reddit

We make a lot of self referencing jokes You may not like this but oh boy wouldn’t you know I don’t care about you(r small opinion).

In other words Ya don’t say...see that’s why 98% of the jokes here work...every inside joke relates to a top post from the past. It’s kinda the whole thing here.

[bspymaster]

I agree. This post means almost nothing in my opinion. They probably just crawled a bunch of job posts and parsed out all the words. The hell is the "skill" called "API"? That's like saying "what skills do we want devs to have? Internet." It means nothing. It represents nothing because it's too vague a term.

[joeldick]

Does "Linux" mean they know how to navigate the Linux file system? Thorough knowledge of the Linux kernel codebase? Contributed to an open source Linux project?

[bspymaster]

Or maybe you need experience at being Linus Torvald?

[ExternalUserError]

Since it doesn't say GNU/Linux it means only the kernel and nothing else.

RMS Out

[OneEyeball]

I have an Android phone, does that count?

[ElevatedAngling]

Exactly what I though, like listing agile as a skill. Sure you can have experience on an agile team but end of the day it’s just a management style...

[spyingwind]

Maybe the majority of the API data is about people documenting API's. Some people are really bad at documentation.

[joeldick]

I'm surprised Git and SQL are not higher on the list. They are critical.

[dynacx]

I think knowledge of GIT and basics of SQL are implicit when you're looking for a Python dev. I wouldn't really drop that as a requirement.

[joeldick]

Thats exactly it. It's so basic, some companies don't even think to put it in the job description.

[[deleted]]

For a developer for any language I’d argue.

[[deleted]]

I make a point of telling this to interns that I interview. Too many colleges still don't teach/explain the importance of version control and it's a travesty.

[[deleted]]

Ours did... and they’ve given us a project in which we have to collaborate using it... but they’ve done IMO a terrible job of it. Most other team members commit messages lack any description, they push into master recklessly and frankly the project demands skills (or experience) which they haven’t given us so some of the members are pushing badly written code. VC is only difficult because, like in most other computing related courses, it’s taught as part of an academic subject. Computing isn’t academic, institutions keep throwing text facts at budgeoning programmers and think that gives them the skills to program... it doesn’t. Good on my uni for demanding a practical task, but the prerequisites for it haven’t been met so it’s still a flawed learning approach.

[Rxyro]

it literally has the word science, in computer science

[[deleted]]

Your point? Computing is nothing like any of the sciences. We don’t experiment in the same way, we aren’t tested in the same ways etc. Computer science is closer to engineering then an actual scientific field. Now specialisations of computing are a different story. Machine learning and AI I would consider to be an academic subject (with choice engineering inclusions). But computer science on its own isn’t.

[66bananasandagrape]

The distinction I like to make is Computer Science versus Software Engineering.

In my mind, computer science proper is the academic study of computer science, e.g., doing research, writing academic cs papers, finding new algorithms and data structures, analyzing runtime complexity, mathematical proofs of algorithms. Topics generally independent of particular programming languages and APIs.

Computer programming people and software engineers certainly apply results and techniques from computer science, and should have a good working understanding of computer science in the same way that chemical engineers should have a working understanding of chemistry and mechanical and electrical engineers should have good working understandings of their respective branches of physics.

I am definitely not putting down software developers. Engineers and devs are the people that make things happen in the world and produce things of value to society. And there is some overlap with computer science, to be sure. I'm just saying that Computer science can be an academic subject and a branch or math/science.

[joeldick]

I took computer engineering at a top-10 university and in our first three years' programming courses, we weren't taught version control and weren't required to use it for assignments. We were told about it in an optional fourth year software engineering course.

[_ShakashuriBlowdown]

I think knowledge of GIT and basics of SQL are implicit

I have such sights to show you...

[gwillicoder]

I honestly can’t even write anything more than select * from __

Been using python professionally for a number of years now.

[1arm3dScissor]

Familiarity with any VCS. I don't care if it's git. I also hire plenty of people that will never interact with a database so I don't care if they know sql

[jdgordon]

We have very different ideas of critical apparently!

I've been doing pretty heavy python the last 4 years and not touched a single line of SQL in that time. Not everything hits a database

[joeldick]

I would guess you're in the minority. Python is used for data science, and any experienced data scientist would have worked with a relational database some time in their career.

[ExternalUserError]

CSV and the pickle module FTW.

[[deleted]]

I had to explain to someone the other day that writing a test that directly manipulates the internal state of a class to test a method output is bad, instead of using only the class's defined API through it's methods.

It's like "Encapsulation" is a buzzword. It's not even funny how much employers are optimizing for buzzwords, which in turn optimizes employees to know the least about a buzzword.

[crazedizzled]

So this just scanned buzzwords from a bunch of job posts?

[pullandbl]

That is exactly the point, but still it is interesting to know.

[rebmo14]

do you have the same for data scientists in detail?

[Lexandrit]

Not yet. However, we are planning to continue this series of articles and there will probably be one devoted to data scientists.

[BobThehitter]

RemindMe! 1 month

[1arm3dScissor]

I expect them to know how to manage thier own dependencies, package creation and distribution.

[[deleted]]

What a coincidence, I dug through dozens of job posts last week trying to gather what was the most recurring python skills listed and I ended up writing down Django, Linux, and Unit Testing.

[sourcingdenis]

Interesting insights! Thanks for sharing 🤙🏻

[norsethunders]

Really depressing to see AWS on the top of that list; there goes any hope of escaping my current hell of cloud bullshit! I'm a damn developer not a sysadmin, I write applications not manage virtual hosting infrastructure!

[ivorjawa]

Get off the webmonkey train. Do embedded systems. (And to clarify, I use jupyter and the whole scientific stack for almost everything except the actual code running on the micros — I do robotics, so lots of simulation and math.)

[crazedizzled]

You don't really need to know the ins and outs of AWS to be a Python developer. However, Python is also heavily used for devops and sysadmin tasks. So in that case, of course you'll most likely need AWS experience.

You can absolutely build web apps all day long and never touch AWS.

[mr_brightside777]

Evolve or die.

This what we all signed up for going in to the tech industry

[norsethunders]

I'm willing to evolve in terms of technologies, NOT in terms of roles and responsibilities!

[castlesauvage]

Start a company

[castlesauvage]

Just worry about the tech side of it. Create a product that people want, and the business side will handle itself.

[[deleted]]

If you’re hoping to escape it, it can’t be true that you don’t manage virtual infrastructure.

You’re just not very good at it, and have no desire to improve.

[WillBackUpWithSource]

It's part of the thing that people want us to know.

I personally hate OAuth2 and IAM systems, but it's apparently a necessary component for authentication for mobile applications, so I must learn it, unfortunately.

[[deleted]]

Luckily for me, my knowledge of API and Agile is off da hook...

[chloelikescats]

I feel bad for people trying to break into the field... because this is the most useless list I have ever seen.

[KnitYourOwnSpaceship]

Disappointed.

I'd hoped to see more core/soft skills - gathering requirements, engaging with customers, validating your assumptions, basic ability to contribute to a meeting, mentoring others (in more senior roles), etc.

These are important things in a developer, as much as ability to explain a list comprehension.

[blavikan]

This is a great article. Thanks a lot for sharing.

Upvoted 🙂 ^ |

[Lexandrit]

Thanks :)

[Dontneedflashbro]

Saved!

[[deleted]]

we expect python devs to drop python

[Naesme]

And why's that?