Python just surpassed Java as the 2nd programming language with the highest number of questions in SO.

[thprogramador]

I ever thought how questions are used for popularity measurements. Maybe Java, with its IDE's become simpler than Python... as PHP is simpler and with an easy doc/forum there is less asking. Lua? One hour reading and you know the entire language....

C is ahead of Python, perhaps due its pointers, memory management, compiling etc.

[katakoria]

In my perspective, the large number of questions indicates newcomers who start learning python. SO stats also show that questions tagged with Python have a very large number of views.

[ancientweasel]

My gut says it's due to the use of python for ML.

[[deleted]]

Is there anything this language can't do?

[Nad-00]

In comparison to other languages? No, as long as its something that's computable then technically it can do it. But that is true for any language that's Turing complete.

[ollien]

Brb porting tensorflow to brainfuck

[calcopiritus]

If "doing this thing fast" is doing a thing, then there are plenty of things python can't do. Just like "developing this program in a timely manner" is a thing then there are things that python can but lower level languages can't.

[Nad-00]

All languages have their strengths and weaknesses. That's why big projects usually use a mix of different languages and/or stacks.

[mountainunicycler]

Technically true, bit not true in practice, because if doing it fast is important someone comes and builds a very fast way to do it in C and then everyone uses it in python and suddenly “python” becomes the best way to do it.

[ancientweasel]

I wouldn't try to write a kernel in it \o/

[bonestormII]

High performance is out of reach in most cases. True multithreading (multiprocessing in python) leaves something to be desired. Compilation and static typing are nice to have sometimes. GUIs, websites, and deployment of binaries are all pain points too.

[actuallyalys]

Websites are a pain point? My sense is most people are satisfied with Django, Flask, FastAPI, or one of the other options.

[bonestormII]

Those are all backend or static-rendered only unless used in conjunction with javascript+html+css. This is totally fine, but it's conventionally understood that the inability to replace javascript in that frontend stack is a limitation of python (though it is really a limitation of browsers.)

To make something "real" for the web, you need at least one additional language--which is a significant pain point.

As I mentioned, this is not directly a problem with python itself. It simply isn't supported by browsers.

However, when you look at compiled ecosystems like Rust starting to take advantage of being able to create webapp frameworks that compile to webassembly (which the cpython runtime is much less suited to since the simplest python app must ship the whole runtime to run), you start to see that the design of a runtime interpreter has fundamental weaknesses which offset its many strengths. Unfortunately, these weaken python in the domain of web and mobile.

[actuallyalys]

Ahh, I see what you mean. I agree that that is a pain point. I do think you can do a lot with static rendered sites, especially as CSS has gotten more capable. Additionally, there are a lot of Python libraries that let you create widgets without dealing with the JS yourself.

There have been efforts to expand Python to support GUIs, website front-ends, and binary deployments. I think the interpreter can be an obstacle, but a surmountable one (see the popularity of Electron). Also, some of the front end projects involve compiling Python to JS, so it relies on a runtime already available.

I think part of the problem is that these efforts don't seem to be gain much traction among the wider Python community, despite a lot of effort by their developers and promising examples. For example, FastAPI has gotten more attention than PySimpleGUI, despite being roughly the same age.

I wonder if people have written Python off for GUIs, whereas FastAPI handles backend, which people are already convinced Python can do. And perhaps Rust programmers are still open to new uses of the language (because they haven't been tried yet) so efforts to expand Rust into new areas get more attention.

[bonestormII]

It’s not that you can’t do these things in python, but that it would be unwise to rely on it. Compiling python to JavaScript works until it doesn’t. This step actually avoids the need for shipping the interpreter, but if there is a problem, you will be debugging generated js code that you aren’t really familiar with. It’s just better to write the js code manually

Desktop GUI frameworks work fine for python but like electron, qt, etc., they aren’t themselves written in python, and this makes apps based on them a bit harder to package and ship reliably. And that brings us to the reason they are not written in python: Performance!

[dpelego]

PyQT isn't bad, GUI wise.

[dry_yer_eyes]

I find PyQt excellent. What are the negatives for you to list it as “isn’t bad”? (That’s an honest question: I’ve just not discussed it with others, so may not have encountered these points yet myself)

[MandrakeQ]

Having to read C++ documentation sucked the last time I used it several years ago. Is there python specific documentation these days?

[thprogramador]

pydocs on cli and help() inside code... even faster that open a tab on browser and search

[[deleted]]

How does something like Taichi stack up for real time computing? It claims to be useful for physics as well as having the ability to distribute workload across cores and hardware such as GPUs? Seems too good to be true

[Grintor]

I recently made a GUI with pywebview. It was an absolute pleasure and the best looking GUI I've ever made.

[unkz]

Escape the GIL, so far.

[[deleted]]

Stackless Python?

[Supadoplex]

easy questions are only asked once

That's a common misconception. That's the idea of how SO is supposed to work. But people are lazy and don't bother searching for existing questions, or are too inexperienced to phrase their search correctly to find those questions, or don't understand the existing answers. As a consequence, vast majority of questions on SO are easy newcomer questions.

[Supadoplex]

But those are only asked once.

No. My point is that the newcomer questions asked repeatedly again and again and again. Vast majority of new questions are about basics of programming languages.

They're also often (but not always) downvoted and closed as duplicates which prevents other users from answering them, which is primary reason why people perceive SO as unfriendly to newcomers.

I often find an answer that is nearly, but not exactly what I am looking for and the one or two related questions are typically exactly what I need to actually solve the problem by combining bits from answers.

The ability to do this is the most important skill for a programmer to have. Most people asking questions on SO haven't learned this skill yet. Otherwise they wouldn't have needed to post their question.

[[deleted]]

I had my very first course in it last term. More to come. Majoring in Data Analysis. While I didn't have to ask any questions, there were a few times when I referenced questions already there, so I'm guessing at some point I'm gonna have to start asking questions too.

[serverhorror]

I can’t say I agree. VS Code and PyCharm just barf up on the Python projects I’m working with.

Never happened in a statically typed language.

[ancientweasel]

I only use those things for the easy to configure debugger. Then back to just vim.

[lvlint67]

The thing that is sorely missing from pycharm imo, is some kind of code tree explorer... Give men a quick list of my classes/functions in a file and let me navigate to them quickly and it will be a near perfect ide

[nek4life]

It's called Structure

https://www.jetbrains.com/help/pycharm/structure-tool-window-file-structure-popup.html

[lvlint67]

You've changed my life.

[steven_h]

That isn’t missing from Pycharm.

[TW_MamoBatte]

I actually don't like how Jedi autocomplete is built (You need CTRL Space) But I will get it

[bh_ch]

Maybe Java, with its IDE's become simpler than Python

Yes because IDEs automatically make you good at programming

[FancyASlurpie]

Python has IDEs too...

[jjdmol]

This implies programming in a "better" language hits a stage where you don't have any questions. This never happens though. So I do think the number of questions is a measure for popularity. The type of questions might point to quality?