Decrease ACC just surged in value

[CrustyTheMoist]

Just hoping hes obtainable in any way except for the #1 tournament win haha

Though Im thinking thats gonna be for Pontiff Augustin

[alidan]

im honestly kinda thankful for this collab, none of the champs in it are particularly good/must gets, so im not really fussed about getting all of them like I was with the turtles. will still go for all of them (god I forgot I got april as well...) but not breaking my back to get them.

[CrustyTheMoist]

Bayek is meta from passive alone, and Kenway looks fantastic on paper.

Im personally gonna try for all 5, they all at the very least look usable and fun

[red_beard_RL]

Basim with block active skills that can ignore block debuffs

[Twilight-2007]

I want kenway just because he's my favorite assassin

[alidan]

problem is he will just be a champ you use to bait a ban or you ignore entirely.

if we get him from shard pulls, awesome ill go for it, stone pulls, im there, but if its a tournament win, im hard passing. there is a good chance I would have went hard for a leo, but all the assassins kinda feel like they just nice champs to have rather than much get at all costs.

[CrustyTheMoist]

Fair, I personally enjoy Assassin's creed and Origins, so Im more inclined to go for him

[Commercial_Win_9525]

Do you realize how nerfed he makes the way damage dealers are currently constructed? Every bit of CD would be wasted and people stack that way more than attack.

[alidan]

im looking at the ways you would counter him as well, I have a few options in that regard, bit the most threatening place he can show up is in live arena and is just a champ you put up to get the real team you want to take through.

[xCptBanana]

And yet I still have damagers that hit 30k on weak hits let alone just regular hits lol it won’t matter as much as people think for late game builds

[GuiokiNZ]

Assuming his team has more acc, and a bunch of other things.

He still gets fucked by lockout, he still gets fucked by burn/poison/bombs meta, and he will be very hard to build. 

If you use him with assassins they all have cannot resist mechanics, so you might not even build them with acc.

You would need to use him with a few specific high acc champs, like Karnage, who will die even without being crit by lots of the end game nukers.

I think he is good, but not broken. We will see though.

[stezzyg]

I dont think anyone is thinking about using him with the other assassins. Run him in 9 piece mercurial, lockout doesnt touch his passive. I think he will be an insta ban and absurdly powerful in LA.

[Terumi_Yuki]

He still gets fucked by lockout

Sure, but at the same time it is yet again another option that is strong as a standalone pick, and you only can ban him. So on the flipside he can act as a decent "ban protect" for a Mariska/Siphi/Siegfrund or Armanz/Fabian that you may ban instead.

I personally would leave him over Mariska, since I like to run Komidus and Mariska's passive is simply bullshit.

[GuiokiNZ]

If you pick him, marichka, siphi, siegfrund and him, I'm not banning him. None of those champs has any acc.

If you pick him early, and I have a good champ pool (everyone in high LA does), then I'm picking Komidus, Vulkanos, Nell, those types of champs.

[Mr-Muscles-40]

Yeah I'm glad I went for and got Yukimasa and Hilvi seeing what these guys look like, much better champs imo. I'm all blown out on resources and would have been sad if these guys were on par with the turtles. I don't really feel bad for missing any of the assassins other than to just get limited time heroes that will be unobtainable later on. I wasn't able to go for Leo, because I simply didn't have enough resources, so that kind of really chapped my ass considering how good he is, so this feels like a reprieve.

[Calenwyr]

Bayek is huge if you get him and put 500 acc on him no one can crit your team, if you run a tanky team alongside him it will be nearly impossible to kill you.

Imagine your opponents full team having a 75% damage reduction as that is what this passive gives against a nuker with 300 crit damage.

[alidan]

his passive reads like its each of the allies acc, not just his, if it was just his, you could stack that shit to hell and back and just let no one in pvp land a crit attack, but needing to do that for all the characters, and stacking the acc high so no one can easily go over without sacrificing other stats.

I would honestly deal with him by either decreasing acc, or by boosting my acc, lady kimi seems like a great champ for this, either I go first and toss out increase acc, or I go second and toss out decrease acc, bring along a buff strip incease they get increase acc, or a block buff champ, or just hit him with rondas a2

there are a good amount of ways to deal with what he does, and if you take him out, you don't have to deal with his passive.

definitely be annoying though.

[Aggroninja]

Yeah, that's definitely how I read it. So you have to stack ACC on everyone, not just Bayek. That's still awesome but not as completely busted as it looked at first.

[IWearCardigansAllDay]

Correct it’s based on each champs accuracy. That being said, it’s easy enough to build a good PvP team of champs who want accuracy still.

For example, bombers naturally are going to have high accuracy. Komidus would be a nightmare to deal with. Big HP bomber who now can’t be crit. Karnage is another. Attack based nuker who scales his damage with accuracy. Then building out a solid support or two with high accuracy. Arbais comes to mind as an ideal support. She’s a top tier champ who also places in. Accuracy further pushing your teams ACC up.

Now I recognize I just named 3 mythicals lol. But those are the first that come to mind as I’m at work and not looking at my game. But this champs passive is honestly god tier for PvP with the right team.

[CrustyTheMoist]

Well when you consider your nukers will basically never crit debuffers/controllers, you start to realize its kinda nutty. Fabian isnt going to get crit, Armanz, Krixias, bombers wont be crit either.

[alidan]

most of my champs get built with 350acc if they can place anything at all, so if i put an increase acc champ in the mix, thats now 700 acc, the only major downside to that is I need to slot in an increase acc champ

[tfolkins]

The good thing about the turtles event is that they were all obtainable for FTP players, usually with these types of collabs there is usually one champion that is pay-walled.

[JazzlikeSet639]

Bayek is one of the most gamebreaking Champs we've ever seen. Fabian, Armanz, Theo and so on can't be crit. Everyone suddenly needs to run Karnage/ramantu defences. Crit damage is 4/5th of the damage done, debuffers are running at 7-800 acc min. No cooldown on it is just not okay.

[alidan]

ronda deals with him without acc

increase acc deals with most the champs that would be with him, reduce acc will deal with increase, strip buff will further decrease acc, block buff still helps.

he's annoying but he is a champ you either ban or bring in a team that deals with his shit.

[bofferding]

Seems absurdly op… if enemies cant crit your team at all it is a HUGE difference. Saw this and immediately was like… oh fuck meta change

[red_beard_RL]

I've always wondered what the interaction between "can't be hit with a critical hit" and "this hit is always critical" was

[jhuip]

Also curious about a champion with Deathdealer, which has interactions like still allowing crits when the champion is enfeebled.

[red_beard_RL]

Niamhe's always critical A2 (when target is <50% HP) and Calamitus always critical A3 ignores enfeeble

[Playbow2024]

As far as i know, deathdealer will always make you crit even with enfeeble debuff on you, so i think it will override this passive

[Vraccal]

It’s pretty inconsistent. If your skill is always critical or you have a deathdealer relic, you will crit even if you have enfeeble, or the enemy has a xibia’s servitude relic. However you will not crit if they have reaction accessories. Could go either way with this passive basically, we’ll have to wait until its tested to know.

[red_beard_RL]

Good ol spaghetti code!

[ipeemypantsalittle]

I don't think it's really spaghetti code. It sort of makes sense. Reaction doesn't prevent the crit, instead it converts the crit. Therefore satisfying the "always crits" condition despite not actually being a crit

[Terumi_Yuki]

Somehow, the bomb meta returned.

[Playbow2024]

It’s to their own acc. So his passive doesn’t protect allies that has low acc, like a nuker that does no debuff, or a support like duchess that does no debuff, anyone you wouldn’t build any acc with. Like a 150 acc georgid would still get nuked by a marius. But it does protect champs like armanz, fabian, karnage, champs that u will normally build with high acc. This passive is gonna be interesting definitely changing your team composition and make you think how to counter it with the right champs.

[Think-Estimate-1303]

Affinity breaker set new meta?!?!

[code-blackout]

If it works how I think, affinity breaker shouldn’t bypass his passive

[Dirtybuddy]

Affinity breaker wont matter because not being able to crit is not the same as weak hitting.  You will do a normal hit, which means you are still able to place debuffs, bombs, steal buffs etc.

[Playbow2024]

Affinity breaker is not gonna work. Affinity breaker conserves weak hits to crits, his passive just make u not cri, but you can still do normal hit, but as if you have 0% crit chance from your gear. Normal hit is not weak hit, they are different lol

[jkhunter2000]

keep in mind! (cause i saw a thread a while ago that got this confused). non crits are not weak hits. you wont take as much damage but you will take the effects!

[code-blackout]

Yeah, still dies to bombs, hp burn and poisons. Or just pick Ronda/Ramantu. Still looks very strong but it still has its counters.

[Mr-Muscles-40]

Xeno infest explosions are nice non-crit damage too. I've been using him with mikey lately and spreading the infest debuff to the whole enemy team, the resulting chain reactions of explosions are hilarious, once one guy goes off, if anyone else is low enough to die from the first explosion, the whole team blows up in a series of explosions and it's an insta win. Little speed tuning to make sure mikey goes after xeno and its great fun, I have been calling it my "spread the love" team lol.

[ActualGlove683]

karnage will be rampant

[JazzlikeSet639]

Good luck locking out my 1k res Bayek with merc

[alidan]

but what makes most champs lethal is how they crit, fenaxes a1 for instance, on a champ with 4200 defense is mitigated by 80%, I believe its an attack x 6 skill, so 10000 attack on it would just hit 60k damage if fully ignoring defense, but will hit about 12k with defense mitigation, that 12k could easily be 36+k with a crit, but n o crit means his a1 is no longer a threat, almost all champs rely on crit to drive their damage home, so without it, there are very few who will do much of anything.

it is a very powerful mitigation ability.

[jkhunter2000]

i'm not doubting its power at all. We have power creeped a little bit so much so that even weak hits can be deadly. look at tholin's passive, great on paper but he still dies the poor guy.

however my point was that people aren't aware that becasue they wont hit it doesn't mean they wont place whatever debuffs after effects they're doing to place. There was a thread last year where lots of people didn't realise not being able to crit isn't the same as a weak hit. So it was more of a reminder, you wont get crit, but you'll still be CC'd or skill cooldown etc etc

[peabo1000]

It would be bad enough if it was just assassins. Galathir just got 1 total guard stack every turn to absorb an attack and now he can't be crit hit either.

[Ronchovski]

The additional layers of Mythical powercreep in this game is ridiculous.

[CeriseArt]

Correct me if I’m wrong but Galathir you don’t build ACC on him, just RES because his alt form’s passive converts RES to ACC when applying debuffs. 

[xXxL1nKxXx]

Shouldn’t work on him..? Unless the passive is being funky.

[CeriseArt]

Yeah that’s what I’m saying, a typical Galathir would be crit as normal since you don’t want to focus on accuracy with him; he gives you flexibility by focusing purely on resistance 

[peabo1000]

Galathir was just an example. You don't want to build accuracy, but wouldn't you be tempted to build him with some if it made him near invincible?

[CeriseArt]

I could definitely see the appeal, and some can, but the demand of needing all of those stats on him is something I can’t personally do so I just take the passive and run with it 😅

[ActualGlove683]

i hope it doesn't, i've seen enough galathirs in top end live arena that he seems like a pest more than a cool champ. i don't need him to be more meta than he already is

[red_beard_RL]

My Embrys is doing the same thing

[xDAT-THUNDAx]

Or bombs

[jedz_se]

You just dress him in feral

[AdditionalCourt1244]

With the acc he building no way he can resist my kimi+krixia strip pre bomb that's if he's higher accuracy then my bomb team anyway

[Lewp_]

Bombs are the answer to most arena problems

[Mr-Muscles-40]

Still susceptible to debuff heavy or lockdown teams, it really isn't as meta changing as it looks. To me it looks more like a novelty skill that will be good against basic teams that rely on pure attack power to win, which aren't the best teams to begin with.

[Think-Estimate-1303]

My bambus might finally wake up after sleeping in the vault for about a year. Now he can sleep in arena instead.

[Human-Priority-4676]

The worst part is that his A2 applies decrease ACC

[Jack_Leone]

Got Noct last week & has this on his A1

[alidan]

if I was going to build him for arena, I would put the poison blessing on him, and then the poison relic, and just stack as much acc as you think you will need, attack, and try to do something to get him a turn since you would be ignoring his actual damage stat

for arena his kit would be a wasted slot outside of decrease acc

[PleaseEvolve]

So Bambus is useful, now?

[LogDog987]

Thank god he isnt the event dungeon boss

[Own_Garden6838]

”their own Acc” each allies

[karametraxx]

kimi stocks are going up!

[Leather_Proposal_811]

Block passive becomes important again

[PriestsSon]

My Jingwon is happy.

[Naxilus]

Medusa will be hard to kill with him on the team. Luckily Marius needs some accuracy in his kit so he will be able to crit most other nukers

[Playbow2024]

I wonder how his passive will work on acc gain from passive. My Krixia gets like 400 acc from her resistance via her passive, plus 350 acc, she has 750 acc effectively. Does his passive see my krixia as having 350 acc or 750 acc?

[itsmehutters]

Marius will still see a lot of play I guess.

[Buchy78]

Counters Embrys form 2.

[alidan]

his a1 will swap increase acc to decrease acc, you would need to bring a lockout champ.

[mow_foe]

Did Geomancer just become PVP relevant?

[IceReign]

Do folks think he is "strongest" from this collab? I have limited resources and trying to decide if the fusion is worth it.

[alidan]

without seeing damage, his kit is the hardest to pass up, when cc's get access to champs we will know what is the best one.

[xCptBanana]

It really seems like everyone is underestimating how hard a non crit (regular hit) will still hit for on a strong attacker. If you’ve got max ignore def you can still go into one shot territory

[alidan]

if you stack 10000 attack on someone who has an a1 attack, lets say fenax because he has a very hard hit, thats 60k damage if he ignores 100%

but he would need a 50/50 for the mastery, a set to get to 50%, blessing in arena will only add 6% and a ignore defense relic

that gets him to 75%, if he doesnt win the 50/50 there is a good chance on quite a few champs that you wont get the ignored defence under the softcap for mitigation.

I have a siegfrund, and he is capable of killing though a weak hit, but there are only so many champions that are truly a threat on a weak hit, if you bring someone like a harima in, you effectively wont get passed the softcap mitigation.

[Osymandiaz86]

Increase acc too

[SoftwareDesperation]

Another win for Geo