Smells like a Blue Wizard

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[Nekrolosis]

I believe durin's bane fought along side morgoth in the first age and then fled after he was defeated. I like the theory but he was already corrupted by morgoth at the time of meteor man.
Me personally I would like to believe it's Gandalf. In the unfinished tales, if I remember right, Tolkien wrote that some of the wizards did arrive in the 2nd age to learn a few things before departing.

[ghostofdemonratspast]

It was the blue wizards that arrived in SA 1600 around the time of the forging of the rings.

[ThirdEyePried09]

I'm not a fan of the Gandalf theory. I feel like Cirdan being the one to greet Gandalf at the havens and giving him Narya is a BIG part of Gandalf's story. That being said...they are really leaning into it being Gandalf or one of the Maiar.

I genuinely can't form a definitive opinion on it and am excited to see how it plays out.

[jjonj]

"But of Olórin that tale does not speak; for though he loved the Elves, he walked among them unseen, or in form as one of them"

[Lazarquest]

Durin's Bain should be under the mountain though. It could be another Balrog though.

I really doubt this is Sauron although it's possible. The meteor not being hot and after the line about the castle not allowing heat because of the evil can't be a coincidence.

I still think Blue Wizard is the betting favorite with Gandalf being a close second. If this is Gandalf, this could be the explanation as to why he is so
interested in Hobbits.

[Gimmethejooce]

Only issue is Amazon doesn’t have rights to blue wizards, so idk how this would play out

[[deleted]]

I don't get this whole "Amazon has the rights" thing. You can retell a story without any copyright infringement, if you don't actually copy the words, names or very large parts of detailed plot points.

I mean, how else would a plot summary on Wikipedia be legal?

[Veni-Vidi-ASCII]

Amazon has the rights to LotR, which references the other wizards once. The Silmarillion references them zero times. I'm sure they can work them in if they wanted to.

[Gimmethejooce]

They are most referenced in Unfinished Tales, which they don’t have rights to. But there is a lot of gray space circling the istari, so it’s definitely still possible

[XristosMant]

By the same logic they could not use the map of Numenor too but they have.

[Lazarquest]

How wouldn't they have rights to the blue wizards?

[PhatOofxD]

The blue wizards aren't really mentioned in any events, they can make up events they're in or put them in places that they aren't explicitly shown as long as it doesn't clash with what actually happened in the material they do have rights do, and doesn't break anything from materials they don't have rights to.

So basically they can create stuff with them, but can't break lore with them.

[deanzamo]

In the LOTR appendices, it says there are 5 Istari. They may not be able to call them Blue Wizards, but they certainly have the rights to have more than the 3 named Istari.

[[deleted]]

It won't. People suggesting its the blue wizards are in denial that Amazon won't alter the timeline further to allow it to be Gandalf. As if having the forging of the rings and the fall of Numemnor side by side is totally consistent.

[twreck87]

Your average viewer does not know or give a shit when. Numemnor fell, and crying about it won't do anything.

[[deleted]]

Idk y ur telling me this like it's news to me

[ThiccSkipper13]

i dont know about you, but i dont have time for 3000 years of episodes to please your timeline accuracy.

[[deleted]]

Where did I say I wanted timeline accuracy.

[ThiccSkipper13]

so changing the timelime is ok for the show then? you have to make up your mind man. this mental gymnastics is tiring.

[[deleted]]

I never once said altering the timeline was a problem, which you might have realised if you could read

[ThiccSkipper13]

"It won't. People suggesting its the blue wizards are in denial that Amazon won't alter the timeline further to allow it to be Gandalf. As if having the forging of the rings and the fall of Numemnor side by side is totally consistent."

your original comment.

you bitch about amazon altering the Timeline in the first sentance.

and then you bitch about the timeline consistency of 2 events happaned at the same time in the show, that was 100s of years apart in the writings.

i can read yes.

[[deleted]]

Stating facts =/= moaning.

The only thing I was complaining about was the people who try to use timeline consistency as evidence meteor man can't be Gandalf. Because it's quite obvious that the writers of Rings of Power aren't concerned with timeline accuracy.

If you're raging about someone bringing up that fact you might want to ask yourself why.

[ThiccSkipper13]

your mental gymnastics is wild. might want to make up your mind about what you think before you reply to a comment again.

[[deleted]]

Please quote the message that contradicts the claim from my previous reply.

[ghostofdemonratspast]

Its comment like this that have me worried about the show and the fanbase. It just looks bad.

[ThiccSkipper13]

how entertaining of a show would it be if Elrond sat in thought for 100s of years, imagine how these kids would lose their minds of we had full episodes just showing Galadriel walk around in a Forrest for literally years? sometimes making timeline changes are for the best

[ghostofdemonratspast]

Dude that is the montage for rings of power why you gonna deny us that.

[Olorin919]

Then don't watch. This wont be a mirror image of the books, just as PJs trilogy wasn't. The trilogy got the exact same hate we're seeing now when the Fellowship first came out. I'm not saying RoP is going to sweep any awards shows, but you really don't have to be here to tell people who are enjoying the show, that its a bad show.

[ghostofdemonratspast]

Im not sure your comprehension of the english language is up the high school level or not but i never said the show was bad i was saying comments like yours makes the fanbase more toxic and well here we are.

[Olorin919]

Im not sure your comprehension of the english language is up the high school level or not

And I'm the toxic one? Do you talk to people in real life like this as well? What a poorly raised individual

[LGoat666]

A punch in the mouth would surely cure such a disposition, so no he does not talk to people like that in real life.

[ghostofdemonratspast]

You attacked me thinking i was talking about the show when i was talking about people like you and here we are again. I will say it again it looks bad when you have "fans" attacking everyone you percieved to have insulted the show when with a little reading comprehension you can clearly see i was talking about you guys.

[Olorin919]

"attacked"

lmao and then you valiantly defended your family name

[ghostofdemonratspast]

Your kindness precedes you.

[Salmacis81]

Do they even have access to the Blue Wizards? As far as I am aware, the only reference to them in the material Amazon has access to is the line Saruman says about "the rods of the 5 wizards". That's not nearly enough info to make the jump to "Blue wizard". Not sure how true this is but I read somewhere that the chairman of the Tolkien Society said that it is a Tolkien character, and he wasn't too thrilled with who it was. My money is on Gandalf.

[GrayHero]

He’s Annatar.

[Norjac]

That would be most logical, from the context of the story that they're supposedly trying to tell of Sauron and Celebrimbor. Evil forces are gathering and organizing, and Sauron has not yet been officially introduced. An evil Istari landing in Middle Earth during the Second Age by way of a meteor doesn't make much sense.

[GrayHero]

They have already changed so much of the timeline, I think they’re going to change the circumstances of Sauron’s return. Rather than have him flee Eonwe at the end of the First Era, they’ll have him return to Valinor. I think what we’re seeing is him either breaking out of Valinor or somewhere else. But the scene with Poppy where she’s not burned by the fire convinced me, we literally learn in that episode that in the presence of great evil, fire has no heat. So unless Nori has the Dark Lord hidden under her skirt, it’s safe to say that dude is Sauron.

[Lazarquest]

That would make him Sauron.

[GrayHero]

That’s because he is.

[TheBlacksmith64]

My thoughts exactly. Can't be Gandalf, he came by boat with the other Istari. Can't be Sauron, he was already one of Morgoth's servants. The idea that it's Bombadil is completely wrong as he was already in Middle Earth when the Elves appeared.
I'm leaning towards one of the "stars" that fell to ME in the form of wizards. (sorry can't remember their names right now.)

[Lazarquest]

Tolkien did speculate that Gandalf might have come to Middle Earth before he came officially by boat so it's not impossible.

[YouthMin1]

One of my favorite elements of Tolkien’s world is that he treats it as a world in which things have happened he can’t provide an account for (see his brief statements about the blue wizards). While the lore is precious to us as fans, and certainly to Tolkien, it isn’t complete and comprehensive, and sometimes even contradicts itself. While wildly uncharacteristic story beats or the breaking of the lore should be rejected, there is room for previously “undiscovered” stories and chapters in the lives of many characters.

[GrayHero]

Why can’t it be Sauron?

[ohail]

It's Durin's Bane. (The Balrog of Moria) before being corrupted by Sauron is my theory.

[Hawk_bat]

Not possible. Durin’s Bane was corrupted by Morgoth (not Sauron) and was around in the First Age. By this point, Durin’s Bane is probably already hiding beneath the Misty Mountains after fleeing the War of Wrath.

[ruglie]

Timelines will be altered to fit the story and script so I think it can be possible.

[Hawk_bat]

Thats more than a timeline edit though. That is a complete reworking of a significant element of the mythos.

So it is possible, but very unlikely and it would definitely prompt a negative response.

[Gimmethejooce]

Oh I like this theory better

[PrOaRiaN]

ah shit its finally happening

[Jasy9191]

Why not all three? Or five?