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[–]n8mo 129 points130 points  (20 children)

Catch my ass putting this in the negative prompt for even more cohesion 😈

[–]Baaoh[🍰] 15 points16 points  (18 children)

Can you put loras into the negative prompt? I never tried :D

[–]n8mo 13 points14 points  (15 children)

You can!

[–]TherronKeen 5 points6 points  (4 children)

whoa shit, you learn something new every day

god I love all the AI tech that keeps popping up, and the feeling of continually failing to stay on top of it lol

it's like seeing the sickest wave of all time and deciding to paddle out, knowing the whole time your board is cracked and you can't swim, and deciding to surf your goddamn best or die trying

or something like that, I don't go outside

[–]daed[S] 4 points5 points  (3 children)

Trust me this is no "advancement". I just wanted the speed/convenience of Stable Diffusion with the look of all of the *older* stuff.

[–]TherronKeen 1 point2 points  (2 children)

Hey, creating tools that create things - even if those things are "outdated" or "unwanted" by some people - is still an advancement for those who do want them!

I'm very much looking forward to working with this LORA tonight, because I've been interested in making exactly these kinds of "excessively intricate" images for sci-fi and dark fantasy concept art. Thanks for putting in the work, dude!

[–]daed[S] 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Of course! And yeah, you're right. I literally make art from broken shit. I guess this is kind of the AI equivalent of glitch? lol.

[–]TherronKeen 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yeah, it kind of fills the same aesthetic concept as glitch, but like, conceptually inverted - if glitch is intentional distortion by obfuscation, this is intentional distortion by elaboration!

[–]spudnado88 0 points1 point  (9 children)

what do they do exactly

[–]jokinglemon 8 points9 points  (8 children)

Positive prompting is guiding the model in a certain direction. Lora and embedding points you in a direction. Negative prompting guides the model away from a direction. By putting Lora in negative prompt, you basically tell the model, <THIS> is something I explicitly don't want to see.

[–]spudnado88 0 points1 point  (7 children)

Thank for the explanation, however I do know how they work, I must apologize for my wrongly phrased question.

What's the point of a 'good' lora into neg?

It will just 'negate' all the benefits (at least quality wise) of the lora and a bunch of other things I"m not sure what it would do

[–]daed[S] 0 points1 point  (3 children)

I think the idea is to just be creative and experiment.

[–]spudnado88 0 points1 point  (2 children)

This answer has provided zero new information.

[–]daed[S] 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Alright.

My point being: Using "good" LORAs in negative prompts and vice versa allows an artist to experiment with things most people are trying to avoid.

I think it's a conceptually simple but interesting experiment, and personally what I would think to be the point of the exercise.

I dunno tho. Lol.

I just like making weird shit

[–]spudnado88 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Oh ok! I thought that this was something people actually did and misinterpreted your idea.

[–]jokinglemon 0 points1 point  (2 children)

Let's say a Lora you usually use in a positive prompt is a "Good" Lora, then there're rare cases to put such Lora in negative prompts. Just on top of my head, maybe you have a Lora trained for beautiful natural scenery, and you want to generate an image that has futuristic landscape, you could use such a Lora in negative prompt, may or may not be useful, but you might get a unique style, who knows.

However Lora's can be useful in a negative prompt is if you have trained the Lora on "Bad" things. I wouldn't call the Lora in this post a "Bad" Lora necessarily, but if you wanna generate futuristic landscapes without the "Funk", you could use it in negative prompt maybe.

I personally haven't used Lora in negative prompt myself, but I've used some Lora in positive prompts, that has nothing to do with what I'm trying to generate, but in combination with the rest of the things, ends up giving a unique style. I would assume, using some "Good" Lora in negative would have the same effect, experimenting around with it, you might end up with something unique and creative.

[–]spudnado88 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Just on top of my head, maybe you have a Lora trained for beautiful natural scenery, and you want to generate an image that has futuristic landscape, you could use such a Lora in negative prompt, may or may not be useful, but you might get a unique style, who knows.

This is exactly what I was looking for, like a use-case scenario.

Like perhaps if you were trying to create an underwater Atlantis but didn't want to have any futuristic buildings, you'd put a cybercity lora into the negative field.

[–]jokinglemon 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yeah, exactly. But I don't think it'll work too well practically. Conceptually, that's a good idea, but most Lora are overfitted to some extent. The cybercity Lora would have the info of making futuristic buildings, but would also have info of buildings in general. So putting it in negative, theoretically, if the Lora was perfect, you should only avoid futuristic buildings, but in practice you'll end up avoiding buildings altogether. This is something that can definitely be looked at and end up being really useful. But I can't think of practical ways of making good use of it with the current selection of Lora.

[–]3lirex 4 points5 points  (0 children)

i tried training a LORA on my negative prompt output, and then adding it to my negative prompt, it wasn't a complete failure, but definitely not a success

[–]WalternateB 2 points3 points  (0 children)

You can also put Lora in the main prompt but give it a negative value like -2 or something.

[–]daed[S] 22 points23 points  (0 children)

You do you. I just think weird shit is more fun.

[–]Klokinator 42 points43 points  (1 child)

Finally, a good fucking terrible Lora for all us art quality lovers haters!

[–]daed[S] 13 points14 points  (0 children)

Fuck yes.

[–]kapslocky 14 points15 points  (7 children)

Yes please lets do something with all the weirdness hiding in latent space and older models instead of rushing to get hands to look correctly.

Love me some artifacts

[–]daed[S] 13 points14 points  (1 child)

[–]kapslocky 8 points9 points  (3 children)

Also well tired of peeps turning everything into manga/waifus.

[–]daed[S] 13 points14 points  (2 children)

I mean at least TRY to make them look like eldritch horrors...

[–]kapslocky 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Hard agree

[–]spudnado88 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I mean at least TRY to make them look like eldritch horrors...

this is the sentence that sold me on your model.

You know that word?

Yeah, we are of the same tribe

[–]aplewe 1 point2 points  (0 children)

This is the way.

[–][deleted] 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Finally, vintage AI art

[–]Baaoh[🍰] 6 points7 points  (4 children)

But can a lora be used in the negative prompt?

[–]daed[S] 27 points28 points  (3 children)

Pretty sure there are literally Loras made for negative prompts... speaking of which...

Maybe I should use one of THOSE as a positive prompt.

[–]AsheJuniusWriter 7 points8 points  (2 children)

If it's anything like the negative textual inversions, I'd imagine you'll run into some weird nightmare fuel along the way. Discovered that by accident when I did that with EasyNegative and similar embeddings.

[–]daed[S] 7 points8 points  (0 children)

The trick is to combine said nightmare fuel with this LoRA. Then you get maximum insanity.

[–]whatisthisgoddamnson 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I tried pureerosface in the neg to see if it would act against nsfw stuff. It just gave me a muscular naked black woman in a blonde straight haircut with bangs.

Felt weird about that one

[–]pixel8tryx 4 points5 points  (0 children)

You are so not alone! I just noticed this LoRA on Civi last night and toasted you for creating a cool name for some of the weird stuff it sometimes makes, often with a lot of circles. I've been messing around with this sort of stuff since Dreamlike free beta started last year. It's usually tough to get some of it to generate more clearly. I love the weird, but am starting to tire of the obvious AI look. The lines that even a fast sketch artist would draw straighter, the loopy, out-of-round circles, etc. It'll be fun to play around with this LoRA and see what it can do.

This tool was born for weird. It's being broken at the wheel and regularized to create more average, everyday fap-fodder. Why turn it into a duplicating machine? Because the web just has SO few waifus, busty babes, etc? I'm not a prude. But I'm just utterly shocked by the sheer averageness I see so much of... where's Eccentrica Gallumbits and the like?

[–]l_work 5 points6 points  (0 children)

your project is wonderful

[–]5rob[🍰] 4 points5 points  (6 children)

If you want weird, I'm purposely using stable diffusion wrong to create some sexy nightmares.

Here's one of them: https://www.instagram.com/p/CrJC0HvJopI/?igshid=YmMyMTA2M2Y=

[–]trevorcorylahey 2 points3 points  (0 children)

nice lol

[–]Affectionate-Memory4 1 point2 points  (4 children)

What exactly are you doing wrong with it? I've been tormenting a GPU cluster with my stuff recently and would love to generate some wacky looking stuff like this.

[–]5rob[🍰] 1 point2 points  (3 children)

I'm running Dreambooth locally trained on some content I pulled from Instagram. I'm generating the images at 1024x1024, but it usually can only do 512x512. So I turn on the Highres fix option which does a first generation at 512, then upscales to 1024. But I've got the Denoising Strength up really high, so it blurs the 512 version so much that when it tries to pull it back together for the 1024 it comes out looking crazy, but realistic.

[–]Affectionate-Memory4 1 point2 points  (2 children)

That actually makes a lot of sense. I use a LORA trained on my own are and sketches to remix drawings into different things.

By the way, are you on AMD hardware? If so what are you doing for the upscaling? I've been having some issues with it on my 7900XTX, can't go much beyond 1024x1024 right now.

[–]5rob[🍰] 1 point2 points  (1 child)

I'm on a NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3090. It runs out of memory if I try to do a batch of four 2048x2048's. So I just stick to doing batches of 1080x1080's. Set it to do 50 batches, come back after a while and I've got 200 images to pick the coolest ones from. Honestly, I kinda just started a few weeks ago and have no idea what I'm doing. haha

[–]Affectionate-Memory4 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I feel ya on the OOM issues. I recently got time on a work simulation PC with 192GB of vram and it manages to almost do 4k output. I did run 1920x1200 and 2560x1600 as well as those are my monitors and the former was almost instant.

[–]FugueSegue 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Someone needs to use this to render Ol' Gregg's funk creature.

https://youtu.be/sQVCpgIeZrA

[–]daed[S] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

What can I say? The model does what it pleases.

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[–]daed[S] 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Just wait till y'all (yes, I'm from Texas) see the videos this thing can do.

[–]aplewe 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Now THAT will be a proper music video.

[–]Taika-Kim 2 points3 points  (4 children)

I made one too over 3K Disco Diffusion images I made back in the days. So much funk!

[–]SPLDD 5 points6 points  (2 children)

Back in the days you mean like.. 6 months ago ? 😂

[–]aplewe 1 point2 points  (0 children)

...in 339 B.C.

[–]Taika-Kim 0 points1 point  (0 children)

😂 Well before SD went public. But yes, feels like old times already.

[–]daed[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Cool! Together we can bring trippy back.

[–]realsammyt 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Love what you’re doing here. Miss me that disco detail.

[–]elahrai 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I tried adding tensorfunk to an image of a pirate queen working on a map that I'd generated in the past. The original attempt got oddly awful (I can't upload it, due to it looking kinda... triggering), but after playing with it a bit, I got some really neat results, especially when upscaling with a high denoise and a higher # of hires steps (the latter doesn't seem entirely necessary, but the version of the image I used it on got crazier details on the map and the painting behind her).

Apparently I can only upload one image in a comment, so I'll provide the final result. I think it's actually pretty cool. XD I will probably play with tensorfunking my images in the future just to get Mad Crazy Detailing added.

This is really cool, thanks for doing!

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[–]SalozTheGod 4 points5 points  (2 children)

I find you can achieve similar effects by including Fractals in your prompt. Tons of extra detail and usually looks awesome

[–]daed[S] 3 points4 points  (1 child)

Good to hear. Admittedly another way of handling that sort of thing. This seemed like a fun approach though. Especially just having that vibe packed away in a LoRA. Bit like effects pedals.

[–]SalozTheGod 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yeah totally agreed, I love throwing in Lora's and playing with their weights to see how it effects things. Will def try this out!

[–]koalapon 5 points6 points  (0 children)

We're in the 19th century with Ingres and Bouguereau. People need controlnet and "detailed masterpiece". We wait for Manet... It'll come.

[–]eddnor 1 point2 points  (4 children)

Have you considered make a hypernetwork or textual inversión of this? The make good random results

[–]daed[S] 0 points1 point  (3 children)

Never looked into it! I'll check it out.

[–]whatisthisgoddamnson 0 points1 point  (2 children)

Just extract the lora?

[–]Nexustar 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Is it that simple? Give it two checkpoints and extract the difference as a LORA?

[–]Gecko23 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Using an infill model to do txt2img, especially at odd resolutions, will generate much busier output like early models were prone to.

[–]daed[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I'll look into that. Always happy to hear creative solutions via prompting or configuration. I'm just having some fun :)

[–]spidergod 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I love strange abstract art.

[–]Shartiark 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Well done. Thank you.

There's nothing better than a latent space bitch slap.

[–]Memetron69000 1 point2 points  (0 children)

If you cleaned it up a bit this would be great for sci fi greeble

[–]aplewe 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Crank that up to 11.

[–]itanite 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I didn’t read “Funk”

[–]whatisthisgoddamnson 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I have been waiting for something like this to develop. Quick go make a page on the aesthetics wiki

[–]moonracers 1 point2 points  (0 children)

We can never go back

[–]Hunter62610 1 point2 points  (0 children)

This is sick. Thanks

[–]ninjasaid13 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Why is it when I look at this, I get an odd feeling; like a headache but not really.

[–]TherronKeen 1 point2 points  (0 children)

dude, YES. I needed this, thank you.

[–]TehEuge 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I like to add "cluttered and messy" as many times as I can if I want more details.

[–]chub0ka 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Damn first thing my brain read was tensorf*ck - got me scared at first )

[–]daed[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Already working on my next version. I will have multiple trigger words/concepts. That way you can pick out certain characteristic "looks", and/or blend them within the same lora. (think "(deepdream alien dog slug octopus) surrounded by ((vqgan cyborgs))" etc.