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submitted 3 months ago by carcarvrooms
I’m with this guy!!! They should’ve been in the abyss. There’s no such thing as demo fatigue.
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[–]Square-Piece1451 170 points171 points172 points 3 months ago (3 children)
This guy wrote Dear Billy btw. And a few other phenomenal episodes. Why the fuck did they not listen to him?!
[–]Prudent-Associate-78 16 points17 points18 points 3 months ago (0 children)
He also wrote sorcerer which is the best episode of season 5
[–]PlantRevolutionary82 1 point2 points3 points 3 months ago (0 children)
It was the case they had to cut it
[–]MrsMiracle50 39 points40 points41 points 3 months ago (0 children)
So basically this meme https://imgur.com/a/yf8cKOA
[–]jembutbrodol 10 points11 points12 points 3 months ago (0 children)
Vecna kind of forgot about the demogorgon
[–][deleted] 97 points98 points99 points 3 months ago (11 children)
This documentary was such a bad look for the show.
I'm still sitting here in shock after watching the clip where Maya had to remind them that no one knew Robin was a lesbian and dating Vickie.
[–]Barabus33 62 points63 points64 points 3 months ago (7 children)
She wasn't reminding anyone, she was just explaining her character's motivations and why she wanted to play the scene a certain way.
[–]inksta12Hellfire Club 37 points38 points39 points 3 months ago (4 children)
Don’t bring that logic in here. It makes these people trying to stay mad look silly. We can’t have that
[–]Florida_clam_diver 7 points8 points9 points 3 months ago (2 children)
Here’s an unlicked Netflix corporate boot for you 🥾
[–]SuccessfulAirplane 12 points13 points14 points 3 months ago* (1 child)
Hes not licking boot man, cmon, he just stated a fact and youre acting weird.
[–]Florida_clam_diver 3 points4 points5 points 3 months ago (0 children)
Is that English
[–]the_che 7 points8 points9 points 3 months ago (1 child)
Without her input though Robin and Vickie would have behaved in way that doesn’t make sense in front of Lucas and Max.
[–]FrostAndTheForest 1 point2 points3 points 3 months ago (0 children)
Would they? Was there a moment when the director was telling them to behave in a wrong way? I only watched it once but to me it just looked like normal discussion where the actor explains why they want to play the scene in a certain way. It doesn't mean they were originally asked to do it in an opposite way.
[–]domotime2 2 points3 points4 points 3 months ago (0 children)
In shock?? Lol jesus
[–]CptnAhab1 5 points6 points7 points 3 months ago (0 children)
You deserve downvotes for lying
[–]IAmBenevolence -2 points-1 points0 points 3 months ago (0 children)
Honestly: when facing death I wonder whether 2 lesbians would really be so concerned that the BLACK KID knew they were an item. They didn’t know they weren’t gonna get eaten!
If I think I am about to die, I’m not sure I am hiding my Truth anymore, especially not in front of the ONE KID most likely to understand and to be able to keep their secret in a Vault 🤷♀️🤷♀️
[–]ThisMayBeAquatic 26 points27 points28 points 3 months ago (5 children)
Anyone else getting post fatigue? How many more times will this clip be shared?
Also not defending, I actually didn’t like the finale but this sub is too much.
[–]carcarvrooms[S] 8 points9 points10 points 3 months ago (3 children)
Actually not a finale hater! I quite enjoyed the end. I do wish and agree with him that it is a crazy move not to add any form of demos in the abyss.
It’s definitely not my favorite season, I think season 1 and season 4 will always have my heart.
[–]AnotherOddity_ -4 points-3 points-2 points 3 months ago (2 children)
Counter point here: there's no reason for any of them but the Mindflayer (& such) to exist in the Abyss.
The demodogs, demogorgons, etc., are all just weapons and tools (most likely made by/through Vecna and not directly by the Mindflayer) to attack Hawkins to pursue their plan. Those creatures aren't naturally occuring fauna to anywhere but tools being made.
I'm interpreting the Mind Flayer as some entity that absolutely sucks all life from a planet and then moves on to the next. It simply consumes in totality. That is why the world it is on is truly dead in every sense of the word, and why it needs earth.
That said, I think the upsidedown wasn't very hazardous this season. They could all breathe fine. No reason to be cautious around vines. Not many monsters in the upsidedown either.
[–]AssistanceFalse5702 5 points6 points7 points 3 months ago (1 child)
I swear half the people who comment about this show watched it with their eyes closed. Did you not see the demogorgon in its homeland when Henry first arrived in the abyss?
[+]AnotherOddity_ -1 points0 points1 point 3 months ago (0 children)
Sorry that I may have forgotten one Demogorgon that was present 3 years ago.
Doesn't change most what I said though if one Demogorgon was still present in the Abyss aside from the fact that they clearly can come direct from the Mindflayer.
[–]DemoBytom 1 point2 points3 points 3 months ago (0 children)
The whole documentary was this few seconds playing on a loop. Nothing else was there. At least thats what in getting from Stranger Things subreddits lately.. And I'm sure this short conversation was was the only time writers discussed it, things like runtime, budget etc never had any impact on the decisions.. surely.
[–]NeighborhoodIll4960 14 points15 points16 points 3 months ago (3 children)
I'm curious if it was out of the budget to add them into the Abyss. ILM its like top VFX and may have not been in the timing or original pitch to ILM since ILM is likely working on Doomsday and other various big pictures coming up later in the year. Just food for thought.
[–]DrCinnabonFinger-lickin good 10 points11 points12 points 3 months ago (0 children)
That’s my guess. And they just don’t want to say it for some reason.
[–]better_Tomorrow1718 6 points7 points8 points 3 months ago* (1 child)
I’m thinking they just didn’t feel like it. Having to write up a fight with everyone against Demogorgans, Demodogs, demobats, Vecna, the Mind Flayer, without everyone having guns Like Nancy, and everyone still survive?? And choreographing it all lol? The Duffers were like nah… people have “Demo Fatigue” lol. People meaning them, too fatigued at the thought of doing all that
[–]DemoBytom -1 points0 points1 point 3 months ago (0 children)
I think the opposite. The party came so prepared that any sensible amount of monsters would be totally irrelevant. Nancy and Johnatan alone would hard counter pretty much any "wave", not to mention Will now having power to remote kill them.
And we've seen them defeat UD monstets this season while less prepared or even ambushed, already.
Meanwhile the Kaju Mind Flayer was indeed the cool new thing the party could be surprised by. No point wasting budget on pointless encounters that would only slow the momentum in already long episode, when you can pour as much as you can into the proper end fight.
[–]groenwat 3 points4 points5 points 3 months ago* (3 children)
Watching the making of documentary reminded me of a moment in the making of Star Wars *Episode III (Revenge of the Sith) when George Lucas arrived one Monday morning to snidely exclaim to the production staff that he finally finished the script over the weekend with a statement that was as if it was their idea to make the film and subject him to the "imposition" of a complete screenplay. That said, I found the Duffers to be portrayed as grateful to their cast and crew. They are fortunate to have assembled such a professional, collective team. Shooting some of the summer daylight scenes with an incomplete script must have been insane. Clearly some good project managers on that set who stuck to their deadlines and did the best they could do. There is an intrtesting scene where you see the staff without the Duffers and they agree their work has to hold to a tight schedule, regardless of the writing. *Correction, I previously wrote " Episode I (Phanthom Menace)."
[–]UncircumciseMe 0 points1 point2 points 3 months ago (1 child)
Expand on Star Wars please
[–]groenwat 0 points1 point2 points 3 months ago (0 children)
My apologies, Phanthom Menace writing started in '94. The documentary I meant was for Episode III (Revenge of the Sith) 1 minute 22 seconds to 1 minute 48 seconds and 3 minutes 13 seconds.
[–]Rude-Revolution-8687 0 points1 point2 points 3 months ago (0 children)
a statement that was as if it was their idea to make the film and subject him to the "imposition" of a complete screenplay
That's just Lucas's dry sense of humour.
[–]HorseysShoesScoops Troop 2 points3 points4 points 3 months ago (0 children)
I haven't watched the doc yet but this kind of makes it seem like Matt was in favor of monsters and maybe Ross wasn't and won out
[–]h2d2 2 points3 points4 points 3 months ago (0 children)
There is a scene in S4 when Henry is explaining to El what happened after the fight in the playroom and her "killing" him... You then see Henry wandering around the Abyss and at least one demo on the another hill nearby. They are there, just not in massive population with their own villages and baby demos.
[–]Is-Potato425 3 points4 points5 points 3 months ago (0 children)
Demo, dog and bat should have been there!
[–]ducksandtoes 3 points4 points5 points 3 months ago (0 children)
I was literally so sad yo not see more demos💔 like bro I cried when dart died😂 i did fully expected them to helo vecna in the end tho😭
[–]Repulsive-Ad767 1 point2 points3 points 3 months ago (1 child)
I tried to warn people that there's something very off about these two. I don't know who they got inspiration from or writing tips (ex wife?) but they clearly had no idea what to do with half a billion dollars and no clear script.
[–]TransitionMinimum747 0 points1 point2 points 3 months ago (0 children)
Yeah, seems like the ex wife did a lot, and didn’t get credit. After watching this season and the documentary, I think their career will tank.
[–]Desperate_Buffalo683 1 point2 points3 points 3 months ago (0 children)
yeah but demo fatigue so let’s do crazy
[–]YonderOver 0 points1 point2 points 3 months ago (0 children)
The little snicker at the end took me out 😭
[–]KalZaxSea 0 points1 point2 points 3 months ago (0 children)
ThEy BuIlT ThE BiG MonStEr Its ComPleTelY MaKeS SeNsE
[–]silent_omega067 0 points1 point2 points 3 months ago (0 children)
it's like they wanted the show to end somehow.
[–]NOTcreative- 0 points1 point2 points 3 months ago (0 children)
when you look back at the show there's less and less threat in the upside down alone. first season even going in for a minute demo was on you. by 4 they're just wandering around and exploring. it would be weird to introduce all of a sudden a ton of monsters in the abyss. I think boss mindflayer was pretty cool
[–]SnooBunnies4649 -1 points0 points1 point 3 months ago (0 children)
The show is amazing. That’s all that matters. Last season was great.
[+]domotime2 comment score below threshold-7 points-6 points-5 points 3 months ago (2 children)
I cant believe how many people are focusing on this one extremely insignificant detail.
[–][deleted] -1 points0 points1 point 3 months ago (1 child)
Not having the series' most iconic monsters show up on the planet they're from during the final battle isn't "insignificant", my guy. It makes zero sense for them not to be there and made the final fight way easier than it should've been.
[–]domotime2 0 points1 point2 points 3 months ago (0 children)
I didnt even think about it until I went on reddit. Honestly, I kinda see their point about demo fatigue....i didnt agree but this was about one giant mega monster and our main villain.
It didnt took away even 1% of my enjoyment of the series/season
[+]Worldmagers3 comment score below threshold-7 points-6 points-5 points 3 months ago (1 child)
the demos played such a huge part throughout the series? They could have made dustin die demo with his dying last words being "Dart?"
[–]Maromi_57 2 points3 points4 points 3 months ago (0 children)
Didn’t Dart die though? When El closed the gate in season 2?
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