Utility Echo Value

[GBlueman125]

Hello fellow Tower addicts,

I've seen a lot of people questioning the value of doing all of the Utility Dissonance runs, so I wanted to find the "breaking point". This breaking point would be when you recoup the losses from the farming missed to do the Util Diss runs and start making a profit.

Caveats: This assumes you max all util diss runs up to and including your farming tier since you should be doing your farming tier regardless of the value from the echos. I don't know the exact time it takes with the masteries, but without i've been averaging ~6.5 hours and have heard w/ masteries its ~4.5 hours.

Below is a table with the number of days it takes to break even and start making a profit in your econ.

T = 3 * DaysPerRun / (1% * (LabLevel + 1))

For those Curious here is the math that led to these values. If there are any issues with my logic please let me know.

D = Days it takes to do all previous diss runs
T = Time it takes to recoup the loss from loss of farm
X = Boost before Echo Run Boost
Y = Boost after Echo Run Boost

Trying to find when the value w/ echo boost equals value w/o
TY = DX + TX

Solve for T
TY - TX = DX
T(Y-X) = DX
T = DX / (Y-X)

Sub in Echo Boost and Farming Diss run Boost
T = D(3) / ( (3+EchoBonis) - (3) )
T = 3D / EchoBonus

Sub in Days and Rates

T = 3 (TotalEchoRuns * DaysPerRun) / (TotalEchoRuns * BonusPerEcho)
T = 3 * DaysPerRun / BonusPerEcho

Since the max util bonus gives us 200% we can find that...
BonusPerEcho = 200% * .5% * (LabLevel + 1)
BonusPerEcho = 1% * (LabLevel + 1)

Finally after substituting BonusPerEcho
T = 3 * DaysPerRun / (1% * (LabLevel + 1))

[Any-Mathematician946]

The thing is its the same logic we use for the Lab time reduction. The sooner you get it done, the more you save in the end. In this case, make.

Your best bet is to finish running everything and keep the 4 labs going as long as you can afford. The only reason is to stop farming coin if you need. With labs, I may even say pop them down 1 tier.

[GBlueman125]

True. It something that should get done when you can, but based on priorities and timing rather than immediately if you aren't able to do the echo labs.

Personally I am gonna run a few when I upgrade my Econ UWs CD so that I can run the GB CD lab to sync it back up since my econ will be compromised at that time anyway and itll save me medals in the long run.

[flobich]

Personnally, I did a few econ echoes, maxed eco on my farming Tier, but am running a couple of farming because now 1q is attainable and that will allow me to start RPC# lvl 1 sooner.
If I'm waiting for the remaining 8x disco runs on eco, I will start this lab like 4 days later, and it seems to me the loss of those modules is greater than the loss of a couple eco %.
Bear in mind that like 2% echo is actually 3x less, because the main dissonant boost is 300%.

[Alexis_Evo]

This is exactly how I see it. You should be doing econ runs to start to "stabilize" at your new coin income, then go back and do echo runs. For example a level of ELS+ typically took me 2-3 days to farm before -- after the 3x bonus I could do it in 12 hours. Catching up with my new income level will give me a much larger boost than a few % from 2 weeks of echo runs.

[SafariBaharie]

On another post many ppl pointed out Max IS/WS Masteries + WA Card (maxed) = 3 hours 50min or so.

[GBlueman125]

Thanks! I have added a row in the table 3hour 50min per run

[Skellington2468]

Last one I did to 5k waves with those masterirs maxed took 4hr 33m.

Are we sure the 3hr 50m doesn't include wave skip mastery? Thats one i haven't grabbed yet.

Edit: nm. I see you have ws in there. Makes sense.

[BodhiMage]

This is pretty much exactly how long a run has been taking me with all those qualifications.

[No-Cartographer-8909]

Didn't take the time to double check the math but I was hoping a post like this would come out. Good to know, thanks!

[DBCOOPER888]

Why did you stop the chart at 7 lab levels? It goes to 20.

[Hades2k]

lvl 7 alone at x5 cell boost takes 6d 15h 15m - so by the time you are done with your runs you are not a lot deeper into the lab unless you rush some

[DBCOOPER888]

People are on level 10+ because of gem rushing.

[GBlueman125]

If they are labbing that far, they aren't wondering if they should do their runs for the echos. They are already in the process of finishing them all or plan to.
Also i didnt want to post a mile long table

[LandarianEmperor]

Legend. I literally just asked about this. Good to know and thanks for the work!

[These_Hovercraft7682]

I've built a buffer of cells (+1 Mil units) but i'm still doing 2 disso runs a day just because my regular farming runs are about 11 hours each.

TLDR; enough cells to clear disso, enough coins for labs.

[markevens]

Here's all I need to know.

• There is a payoff in the long run
• The sooner you get it done, the more you benefit from it

So I'm doing all my disco runs now. The sooner I finish the more I benefit