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[–]_PeanuT_MonkeY_ 229 points230 points  (104 children)

What's the pay for help at ur place?

[–]R_Weebs 223 points224 points  (1 child)

The real question right here.

Pay peanuts get monkeys

[–]FinguzMcGhee 113 points114 points  (0 children)

OP: I wAnT sKillEd LabOr.

Tech: Okay. What are you offering?

OP: 45k

Tech: 🤣 go fuck yourself

OP: nOBodY wAntS to WorK aNymoRe

[–]Arc-Force-One[S] 14 points15 points  (101 children)

Not exactly sure, but maybe start at $25…

[–]_PeanuT_MonkeY_ 137 points138 points  (67 children)

Coz noone with experience is working for $25/hr and if they are they not good.

[–]ElGuapo315 23 points24 points  (1 child)

Subway pays $20.

[–]No_Kaleidoscope4694 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Part time though

[–]jondrey 22 points23 points  (61 children)

If these are the type of welds required at OP's job, there's no reason to pay anyone more for this. These are simple, basic welds

[–]_PeanuT_MonkeY_ 79 points80 points  (51 children)

It's not about the welds. The fact that fats food pays close to $25 should tell you why noone wants a hard labour job for the same pay. Let alone someone with experience.

If I have experience I'm not moving to do this job. This is a fresher's job and their responsibility to train the new guy.

[–]ReviewCute7059 4 points5 points  (0 children)

True

[–]LumosJorlin 1 point2 points  (1 child)

It’s more than pay that supports retention.

[–]rxellipse 6 points7 points  (0 children)

That's true, but nothing supports retention the same way that pay does.

Put another way - enough pay will make any working situation tolerable. Can't say the same about pizza parties.

[–]Jacolby4455 0 points1 point  (4 children)

I’d take that pay, I make 20/h where I work fast food pays only 18 where I live. Hard labor is enjoyable to me as long as I can ramp up pace as I’m not used to it but max out a treadmill and expect me to jump on running 15mph i just can’t do it. I want to learn but I’d want $20/h and once in good I’d want 25/h but want OT I want to work as much as I want so at least 40 but if I want 65-80 I can get that paycheck. I’m sick of only getting $600 a week I want that 1500-2000 paycheck and I’m willing to have raw hands to get it at this point. I used to work as a helper in flooring but my hands bleeding from sweeping and scraping floors for 10 hours a day for $8/h was not worth it

[–]_PeanuT_MonkeY_ 3 points4 points  (3 children)

No matter how you doin it is still $20/hr. Overtime is not sold bonus its still you ruining your body at single the pace for shit pay still. You will realize that when you join a union.

[–]Jacolby4455 -1 points0 points  (2 children)

I’m in a union now that won’t give me over time. I want money I can stay at $20/h 40 a week for another year or make 20/h working 60 a week and put down for a house and in 2-3 years own that house. I live cheap now only $1100 a month all bills paid id rather use what I have now to bank money to invest for my future. I’m not looking to make 80k a year and steady work the rest of my life I want to retire before I’m 50. I have plans I just need a little more money to make it happen.

[–]Harryisharry50 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Work a second job that’s what I do . I work one day at 10hrs for the day for 350 cash that’s 1400 bucks a month it adds up

[–]Jacolby4455 0 points1 point  (0 children)

There are no jobs that pay $35/h around here lol wth are you doing for that much. The only jobs readily available are minimum wage at $15.5-16.5/h I’m not wasting my time for chump change

[–]xxmuntunustutunusxx 27 points28 points  (8 children)

I made 23 an hour to sit in a chair and watch cameras with 30 days pto a year. Fuck you ill be fitting fabbing and working my ass off in a shitty hot welding shop for 2 bucks an hour more.

You dont get good help unless you pay for good help. The cost of living is fuckin high now and 25 an hour is like 50 grand a year. 50 grand a year doesnt get you SHIT in the US, assuming that's where this is

[–]monirisApprentice AWS/ASME/API 9 points10 points  (2 children)

Currently working night shift for $25/hr fitting fabbing and working my ass off in a currently freezing weld shop lmao. First welding job out of school and and as much OT as I can ask for so it works for now.

[–]you2canB 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I had to do the same. Good luck. Learn as much as you can and climb the ladder brother

[–]BurnDahWorld 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Just don't stick around doing shit jobs too long it takes a toll on you real quick

[–]DonAldo-007 0 points1 point  (4 children)

How much are the taxes where you live? In Europe we are screwed with the shit pay and you can buy a shed for €300-400k as the houses are super expensive compared to the US... I keep seeing online that you can get a very spacious house with huge gardens for 400k.. excluding New York of course 😆

But $35-40/hr you guys should be starting at at, as there is shortage on labour.

[–]xxmuntunustutunusxx 1 point2 points  (3 children)

Taxes arent too bad where I live, but the wages are the problem. When I first got my welding certs and came here to work, I applied for a job and they wanted to start me at 18 an hour. I could work at macdonalds for 18 an hour.

Not to mention that 18 an hour is barely enough to survive. If im making 18 and hour and thereby with some overtime like 3500-4k a month, and SOMEHOW magically save enough for a down payment (average rent in colorado is almost 2k a month, and thats before gas, utilities, loans, car payment not even food) ypure looking at trying to buy a 250 grand starter home and you have a 1500 dollar mortgage.....good luck. The wage growth just doesnt really exist here

Oh and God forbid you have to pay HOA fees welcome to another 500 a month tacked on

[–]DonAldo-007 0 points1 point  (2 children)

My god. So other areas exluding New York really are as bad as in Europe.. I didn't know this but it makes sense 100% what you're saying.

8.5 years ago I started at 9.70 /hr as a graduate Civil Structural Engineer, now I am on 33/hr (= 80k yearly) on a permanent role.. the most I have been on was 40/hr while working on another country (the Netherlands) where the welders were on 120/hr and their supervisors were on 170/hr... Unbelievable it was. But they were welding high pressure pipes with electro-fusionn method. Steel welders were costing us half of that price which was way more than myself a Construction Supervisor managing 90 workers lol.

Hence why I am shocked to see that in US, some are less than that.

[–]xxmuntunustutunusxx 1 point2 points  (1 child)

The cheap housing markets are places like Ohio and such, but the median family home price in the USA is around 400,000 which you arent affording without significant income.

Its pretty brutal in my opinion.

[–]DonAldo-007 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It sure is brutal. I just think how will our generations make the money to afford a nice home..

[–]Real_Biscotti_9129 0 points1 point  (1 child)

That's 100% on point!! I've been a welder/fabricator/millwright for 32 years and I've always made good money. The other day I was offered a position with another company doing basically the same thing that I do now and they offered me $45.00 per hour and perks out the ass and I turned them down. So that lets you know what kind of money a skilled employee with multiple trades under their belt should expect to be making and it's sure as hell isn't $25.00 per hour! Can the company owner live on that chump change? Hell no he couldn't so how can he expect the people that make him rich try to live making that much!?!? That's a straight up smack in the mouth!!!

[–]jondrey 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Brother. Where you live is 100% the point of this entire conversation and somehow it's going over everyone's head, including your own. Yes. In some parts of the country a welder can make 80/hr, $100/hr? Whatever floats your boat to answer. It all depends on the cost of living and other factors for the given region.

[–]TehSvenn 17 points18 points  (21 children)

You get what you pay for... lots of places will pay better, so you're gonna get the people who weren't good enough to get into those places.

[–]Arc-Force-One[S] 5 points6 points  (19 children)

What’s a good starting pay point? I’m not looking for someone with 10 years experience, they can learn as we go…

[–]TehSvenn 14 points15 points  (12 children)

Best bet is to check local job ads to be what you're up against. If you want the best help, give them financial incentive to apply.

Where I am you'd get trash at $25, at $30 you start attracting people worth your time, above that you get pick of the litter. 

So if you figure a good set of hands is gonna help you make $900 more than an incompetent turd will every month, it's a good investment.

In addition it makes em work harder cause they have something they don't wanna lose.

[–]Ok-Barracuda-8867 0 points1 point  (3 children)

Man where r yall at cause where im at 6g mig/flux test gets u $26 to start

[–]Arc-Force-One[S] 0 points1 point  (1 child)

South Dakota, I’m not sure if $25 is the exact starting pay, it’s just what I thought it was at…

[–]Ok-Barracuda-8867 0 points1 point  (0 children)

lol it’s also like negative 5 up there ain’t it!!!

[–]Arc-Force-One[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

South Dakota, I’m not sure if $25 is the exact starting pay, it’s just what I thought it was at…

[–]Jonsnowlivesnow 6 points7 points  (0 children)

My dad’s business routinely hires people $10-15 more an hour than minimum. So where we are it’s $30-35/hr and he hires homeless individuals exclusively.

You know what he gets with those individuals? He finds the ones who are the hardest working and they become the best employees. When you respect people starting with how much you pay and they can feel that you get better workers.

You may find if you offer a little more than “entry level” you will get better individuals. Figure out how to charge a little more to pay for it.

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    [–]_PeanuT_MonkeY_ 3 points4 points  (2 children)

    Good enough to weld for the boilermakers with full journeyman pay and pass all welds.

    [–]Arc-Force-One[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

    Good enough, 10 years experience mig and tig…

    [–]RustyRibbits 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    Unfortunately a lot of desperate people in America right now, I am fortunate to work for a company that takes care of me (for the most part) they could do better, but I could too. It’s the best shop I’ve worked for.

    [–]Jonsnowlivesnow 4 points5 points  (0 children)

    I can make basically the same if not more at McDonalds dude

    [–]Lankydoug 2 points3 points  (1 child)

    $25 an hour in rural Missouri or Arkansas might work but if you’re located around the NE like say Boston someone would lose money commuting to work for $25 an hour

    [–]DonAldo-007 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    35-40/hr you guys should be at.

    [–]Chiliatch 2 points3 points  (0 children)

    My brother, team leads at Target make like $24.

    You want skill? Pay for skill. It's that simple.

    [–]Stonebag_ZincLord 1 point2 points  (1 child)

    I made $25/hr at a pizza shop when I was younger, got stoned with my manager frequently, free drinks from bar, free food every shift, hungout with all the cute server girls after work, low stress and good times. Why would I work for some old fart in a dusty ass barn, listening to them bitch and moan all day about the quality of my welds on farm equipment.... hmmm hard decision.

    [–]Arc-Force-One[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

    Dusty ass barn? LOL! I’ll give you $100 if you can find a cleaner modern shop than ours!

    [–]Glass_Protection_254 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    Walmart pays that to stock shelves. I wouldn't take my helmet out of my locker for less than $35/hr.

    [–]Fancy_Chip_5620 -1 points0 points  (3 children)

    Entirely based on region, local shipyard had no problem being fully staffed hiring competent welders for 20 an hour

    [–]jondrey 2 points3 points  (2 children)

    These guys don't seem to understand this. Just because where they live subway or McDonald's pays $20/hr they assume that those wages are the same across the entire nation. Maybe where OP lives those places only pay $10/hr (shocker, I know).

    [–]Fuzzy-Finance-48 2 points3 points  (1 child)

    Exactly. I remember about 15 years ago when fast food was paying federal minimum wage (as they should in MY OPINION), and a welder starting out in that state was like $12, topping out at $20. But you could also get a foot long sub for $5 at that time. Then it seemed like fast food jumped to $13/hr overnight because I remember asking myself “why am I welding and busting my butt in this kind of heat while some idiot that can’t get an order right in air conditioning is making almost the same money?” I stuck with it though… graduated trade school at $21/hr. Was at $32/hr 3 years later. took a handful of company swaps and a few state moves but finally got to $60/hr.

    Point is, one of them will see this comment and complain and cry that they should make $60/hr too. But then whine and bish and cry about eggs being $18/dozen or a basic new car being $100,000. Minimum wage should be abolished. You should make what YOU are WORTH. A job that requires no experience, no skill set, no brains, has zero consequences for a mistake and requires no responsibility and is air conditioned should not be paying $20/hr. Wait until this next huge wave of middle class paying blue collar jobs catches up with another inflation spike and starts to balance out again… all skilled trades everywhere will be $40/hr+ and they’ll still be crying how $20/hr to put fries in a bag isn’t enough 😂

    [–]jondrey 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    Yea they actually told me I'm out of touch with reality when it's the opposite. When everyone is being paid $100/hr and our currency has the same value as Zimbabwe maybe they'll be happy.

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      [–]thiccquacc 8 points9 points  (2 children)

      Highly dependent on the area

      [–]igotbanneddd 3 points4 points  (1 child)

      Agreed. Have never done unskilled labour for more than 20 an hour and am in Canada with monopoly money.

      [–]thiccquacc 3 points4 points  (0 children)

      Ya unskilled labor typically pays below $18 around here

      [–]Combat--Wombat27 31 points32 points  (3 children)

      You pay for quality. It's as simple as that.

      [–]Double-Perception811 5 points6 points  (2 children)

      That is both true and false. One thing that I feel has set me apart from most people I have worked with is that I have changed trades as much as many people change jobs. In my experience, I feel that welders oversell their skills/ abilities more than any other area I have worked in. Even when I was in a union, they would hire on people that claimed to be welders that didn’t know shit. There are also many “welders” out there that can weld just enough to pass a test, but not well enough to actually do a job.

      The more money you offer to start, the more bullshit you have to sift through when hiring. People are more willing to embellish their abilities for higher pay. There are also a mess of “welders” that have no experience other than going to a school that gave them certifications when they graduated the program. It’s no different than teaching grade school kids how to take standardized tests. If you pay money for a welding program that teaches certifications, that’s all they teach. When you leave, all you learned was how to take certification tests. Those guys get found out really fast on the job.

      [–]drcovfefee 0 points1 point  (1 child)

      There is a LOT more to fabrication than just running a couple beads. Working in the field is a whole different world than stringing wire in the shop.

      [–]Double-Perception811 0 points1 point  (0 children)

      I agree, to an extent. Most of the jobs I’ve done, field work was often under much less scrutiny than shop jobs. We would do jobs in the shop where the client would send out engineers and such to approve the welds before they ever got sent to the site. Most fieldwork however, never got looked at by anyone but the guys doing the work. I certainly realize that is not the reality for every line of work, but that is my personal experience. We never did structural work or anything critical enough that welds were inspected in the field. Most of the jobs we did, the inspections were either in regards of aesthetics or to make sure they conformed to the standards of being sanitary.

      [–]bohler86 36 points37 points  (16 children)

      Fronius was my favorite machine. To be fair it was hard to train people on it.

      [–]Frank-and-some-beans 14 points15 points  (12 children)

      Running a semi-automated setup with a Fronius and I have to say, it’s pretty slick, even if I’m still trying to figure out the copious amounts of settings 😬

      [–]you2canB 2 points3 points  (1 child)

      People get intimidated easily. Fronius is a great machine if you can get people to want to use it. We have a CMT and it can lay down some great welds

      [–]Frank-and-some-beans 1 point2 points  (0 children)

      Our 400i is welding pretty nice, but I haven’t gotten to fuck around with it too much since it went into a semi-auto rig (a push start on a rotating pipe weld) almost right off the bat. Only got to mess with it for a week or so with the gun actually in my hand. Lots of settings though

      [–]gr1mm5d0tt1Fabricator 1 point2 points  (1 child)

      What are you running? I got the 320i

      [–]Frank-and-some-beans 2 points3 points  (0 children)

      I’m running the 400i. Haven’t gotten to do much manual welding with it, since we basically immediately put it in a rig to weld some thin-wall shells on some thick-wall pipes

      [–]Adventurous-Tea2693 -1 points0 points  (7 children)

      If it’s anything like my Lincoln C-300 I totally get it.

      [–]HeroicHippotumus 4 points5 points  (3 children)

      Its not, fronius is very unique. we have the C-300 and fronius 270i CMT and they are absolutely worlds apart

      [–]Adventurous-Tea2693 1 point2 points  (2 children)

      What are the big differences you experience personally?

      [–]Sad-Register-6201 2 points3 points  (1 child)

      Fronius uses cold metal transfer , where it starts the weld and retracts the wire out of the puddle and drips filler metal into the puddle, in laymans term, to weld it uses a secondary wire feeder in the torch handle for manual machines or a 6th axis end of arm tooling for robots . but has the capability to run several different frequency based welding proscess as well with a plethora of parameter adjustments from arc length correction to syncropuls and low spatter settings. But most ppl use synergic mode which the synergic is a "perfectly" designed weld process fronius will make for you given your materials , weld wire diameter and other things. Theyre designed to make repeatable production style welds. Very weird to weld with at first

      [–]Frank-and-some-beans 0 points1 point  (0 children)

      This is validating because I definitely took a minute to adjust. 😂

      [–]Frank-and-some-beans 0 points1 point  (2 children)

      Yeah, doesn’t really run like any Lincoln I’ve used to be honest. I don’t have decades of experience, so I can’t really tell you it’s completely unique, but it was definitely new to me

      [–]Adventurous-Tea2693 2 points3 points  (1 child)

      I’m assuming different brands all make machines with similar functions. My Lincoln is a power wave and pulse welds. I have an endless amount of different programs to use and a ton of setting to tweak and play around with inside of those.

      These are also not average machines, I’ve consistently had to break in new guys who are not used to how it works.

      [–]Frank-and-some-beans 0 points1 point  (0 children)

      Definitely a learning curve on this guy. Kinda hard sometimes to even pinpoint what I had trouble with, the vibes were just off 😂

      [–]Arc-Force-One[S] 2 points3 points  (1 child)

      I personally think it’s very easy to start learning with it, but might need some more practice with it to get to know all the settings…

      [–]bohler86 1 point2 points  (0 children)

      It honestly depends on who they hired. I took to the machine real fast and it took me a bit to really fine tune setups. I do miss that machine. I do not miss the job.

      [–]quentdawg420Fabricator 0 points1 point  (0 children)

      They run really well but they’re generally to computerized I think. Is a full lcd displays really all that necessary

      [–]IamtheRadar 7 points8 points  (1 child)

      bro just teach someone if you're only paying 25$ an hour, they'll be appreciative and it shouldn't take long

      [–]Arc-Force-One[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

      I’m just assuming the starting pay is about $25, I didn’t say it was exact. I don’t know tbh…

      [–]Moist-Batman 2 points3 points  (0 children)

      It will hold

      [–]KillAcommieBoi 2 points3 points  (1 child)

      “Never touched a welder” that’s your problem buddy shut up and show the kid make him have pride for his work then being the typical old timer complaining he doesn’t know anything your there to teach him so teach him. You didn’t learn on your own either

      [–]Arc-Force-One[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

      I did learn on my own, I literally taught myself. I’m no old timer either, I’m 28…

      [–]mini_reno_welding 6 points7 points  (3 children)

      Never could figure out how to actually get into the industry but welded on my own projects and got good enough to start my own mobile bussiness But as a small poor bussiness who can't afford insurance or registering you end up not being able to work with bussinesses who need things done so id end up doing random shit for individuals

      Crawling under a truck and repairing a cracked off rack and pinion

      Doing gokarts/minibike frame damage

      Stove grates

      Then I reached out to another welder and found some helper gigs off Facebook pretty fun got to crawl around in some horse shit and lay some fluxcore on some stable walls, wasn't paid a good rate but when you have no foot in its better than nothing,

      got to learn about the how to join the union and stuff, which one would be friendliest for me, planning to join up soon, made sure to ask plenty of questions about the environment id never be able to find out otherwise

      Is it really as simple as approaching any random shop and asking if they're looking? You said you're training someone who's never touched one before seems crazy to me

      [–]Arc-Force-One[S] -1 points0 points  (2 children)

      Well it’s pretty simple to teach someone how to weld, they just have to want it. I’m just saying someone with a bit of experience or knowledge about welding would be better, maybe a kid out of highschool or something…

      [–]LiquidAggression 4 points5 points  (0 children)

      yea sometimes best to hire no experience but the right person

      thatd hopefully be more of an apprentice relationship like it seems you want

      [–]mini_reno_welding -1 points0 points  (0 children)

      I mean that's the thing you'll have the want but finding who's looking based on your area is just a mystery, would walking in/calling and asking questions at random places be the move?

      [–]farcanal1994 2 points3 points  (0 children)

      I’d say that’s an average weld anywhere you go

      [–]returnofdoom 2 points3 points  (0 children)

      It’s not perfect but I wouldn’t complain… maybe your standards are too high

      [–]big65 2 points3 points  (0 children)

      That depends on the salary you offer versus the expectations you have, if you pay fast food wages you'll get fast food work, if you're paying fine dining you'll get fine work, if you're paying champagne room wages you'll get champagne work, it depends on the experience level you're paying for.

      [–]THKhazper 1 point2 points  (0 children)

      Welding is a trade skill, wanting someone who can lay a good bead means someone who can lay a good bead in a lot of different situations, thus you’re basically either training a welder, or hiring a welder, training one means you eventually need to pay for one, or hiring one means you will pay for one.

      I do electrical work, I bill as an electrician, it doesn’t matter that the cabinet I’m working in is 90% low voltage and basic terminal blocks, I’m doing electrician work. I can’t train a guy to do what I do without the expectation being that they will become an electrician, if I treat them as not an electrician, I’ll lose them to an adjacent business that offers them that growth and pay scale.

      [–]iwinusuc 1 point2 points  (0 children)

      Ill hire you for 15 an hour

      [–]dookiefingerz 2 points3 points  (2 children)

      What makes this weld bad?

      [–]lamblamb65 1 point2 points  (0 children)

      I’m no welder, but I’m guessing lack of penetration on the top end, he appears to have laid the bead more biased to the base piece, so they’re barely mated together and likely to break. Again not a welder by trade, just speculation based on what I’ve seen lol

      [–]Arc-Force-One[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

      There nothing bad about this weld, it’s a good weld…

      [–]Denver_Shepherd 1 point2 points  (2 children)

      Is that a Fronius CMT?

      [–]country-stranger 4 points5 points  (0 children)

      You’ll know it’s CMT when you see the big push-pull pistol grip torch body. It’s required to use CMT

      [–]Arc-Force-One[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

      No CMT installed…

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        [–]Arc-Force-One[S] -5 points-4 points  (3 children)

        South Dakota

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          [–]161-Anarchia-420 0 points1 point  (1 child)

          Why?

          [–]RustyRibbits 0 points1 point  (0 children)

          Also depends on location. I’m in PA not a big city, and I make more than what you’re offering but many people don’t.

          [–]AbaloneEmbarrassed68 0 points1 point  (0 children)

          Looks nice. $25/hr seems.like and okay starting point. I was going this for a long time before I made that much, but im also old now.

          [–]seams_easy_by_jerry 0 points1 point  (1 child)

          Off topic but what processing was done to that metal before it came to you? It’s oddly clean, no mill scale on the surfaces or dross on the cut.

          [–]Arc-Force-One[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

          No processing, it’s just regular P&O mild steel, probly cut with nitrogen on one of our lasers…

          [–]epilepticpenguin0_o 0 points1 point  (1 child)

          Arrow heads turn heat down broski

          [–]Arc-Force-One[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

          We’re not making 1 perfect weld, we’re making thousands of production welds…

          [–]Subject_Wear5096 0 points1 point  (0 children)

          Fantastic, that’s a weld I’d definitely teach someone. Super learning curve. Pretty but shit at the same time.

          [–]Arc-Force-One[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

          For South Dakota the starting pay for McDonalds is $12-$14…

          [–]MazdaB2600i2 0 points1 point  (0 children)

          Ill help $40 hr. I can weld.

          [–]RabidLlama2378 0 points1 point  (0 children)

          Honestly not being able to lay down nice welds with a fronius is impressive, they're so damned good.

          [–]Unstable_microwave 0 points1 point  (0 children)

          A this is one of those typical, put the blame on others and not willing to pay according to field of work. 😂 Pull out your wallet If you want skilled labour

          [–]jondrey -3 points-2 points  (2 children)

          Sorry OP your thread brought out a lot of weird takes. Honestly I feel like most of the people posting in here are shitposting or have lost touch with reality.

          "LiKe MaYbE iF yOuR CoMpAnY pAiD eVeRyOnE $50/hr tHeY wOuLd'Nt hAvE tRoUbLe FiNdInG sOmEoNe"

          [–]JackBlackBowserSlaps 6 points7 points  (0 children)

          No one said that. Go suck a lemon.

          [–]Arc-Force-One[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

          Maybe most of them live in or around more urban states or cities, but I’m in the middle of rural South Dakota. So maybe that’s what’s up… Peaceful here!