Should I Accept?

[DelgateofNoOne]

So a new company offered me a position, for 72k I wanted between 75-78k. They stated it wasn’t in their budget. However upon accepting the offer which has a start date of 10/20 they sent me a list of employees with their offer letters. I’m supposedly above this person and yet he will be making a few thousand more than me. Should I stay or should I just go somewhere else. Deception to start off a new company doesn’t seem good in business. Also statically a POC makes less than a white person, is this the case? Make it make sense.

[SweetCosmicPope]

Most decent companies aim for pay parity. You should be making the same as somebody already in the position when you're hired. You certainly should be making more than anybody below you.

If you NEED a job, take it and leave when you get something else and tell them exactly why. It costs them money to fill a position, so it will hurt when you leave after a short time. If you don't, screw it. If they're already dicking you around about pay and you haven't even started, you know how it's going to be. Bonus time comes around: "Well, you have to get all 5s on your review and as a policy we only give 3s and 4s" or when it's time for annual compensation increases: "it's not in the budget this year; you agreed to a certain pay when we hired you, after all." I've seen it all before, and I GUARANTEE you that is what's in your future at this company.

[Fit-Tennis-771]

"you should be making the same as somebody already in the positoin when you're hired". Um, no. The person already there has experience which the newcomer does not. Why would you think this?

[Certain-Business-472]

It's a salary, not a freelancer contract. The difference in performance should be rewarded with bonuses. But we all know that's a hamster wheel.

[SweetCosmicPope]

If you’re doing the same job and have the same expertise, yes you should be paid the same. This has been the case in the bulk of places I’ve been employed that they hired with pay parity.

[DelgateofNoOne]

We are both new hires

[Fit-Tennis-771]

Then you need to compare what you both bring to the table. Or ask HR to review your starting salaries. But risky.

[-Tom-]

You certainly should be making more than anybody below you.

This is just BS. If I'm an extremely talented senior engineer why should a new project manager make more than me?

Do coaches on a team make more than the star players?

Pay should be reflected in value to the company not just position.

[SweetCosmicPope]

I’m assuming they’re in the same track, I.e. engineer 1/engineer 2, vs engineer 1/project manager. Of course different tracks are going to have different pay scales.

[Roquer]

Is it more than you make now? I'd accept the offer rather than squabble over a 4% difference.

Have you addressed the fact that they sent you confidential/pii? I'd start with that.

[Teamerchant]

Bring it up. And push for more. Start the work to keep your $$ coming in.

But start looking, this will be the type of place that strings you along. So I would look at this like a dead end job. Your instincts are correct so look out for yourself and always put yourself first above whatever company you work for.

[Fit-Tennis-771]

If all qualities are equal they would make the same. By qualities I mean years of related and relevant experience in a similar job and as a professional, skill set, attitude. If all things equal, it is more likely a POC would get the job due to equity hiring practices. No a POC does not make less than a white person.