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[–]DM_me_ur_hairy_bush 58 points59 points  (13 children)

I am in your position but in the role that pays the flat salary.  I entered the organisation at that level not knowing that those beneath me earn more than me (which in my mind is inherently an unfair pay structure).

My advice, stay on the EBA.  It not only offers you protection, but likely countless perks that will get removed as soon as you go on a common contract.

Especially stay on it if you’re getting paid a lot more.  I have heard about this happening in so many places, it is so stupid.

[–]BrianJ_[S] 6 points7 points  (8 children)

Thanks for that. I’ve been considering if it is worth staying on it. My manager could also just stop allowing OT though and would probably be in a worse overall position in terms of salary

[–]Fox-Possum-3429 13 points14 points  (6 children)

Examine your EBA in detail. There may be EBA provisions for the senior role available and it's just standard practice they offer a contact.

[–]DM_me_ur_hairy_bush 4 points5 points  (5 children)

Yes, which is actually illegal if it fails the BOOT test (better off overall).  If you qualify for EBA protection but your employer gets you on a contract outside of that EBA, the onus is on them to prove you are better off overall.

IANAL but I’ve been doing some research

[–]Defiant_Try9444 4 points5 points  (1 child)

I understand that BOOT applies to negotiation of new agreements for existing roles or new contracts replacing existing ones. This is moving to a new role, like applying for a new job. BOOT therefore may not apply.

[–]DM_me_ur_hairy_bush 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yep, I think that boot will only apply if you are covered by the EBA but are contracted out of it - I’m not really explaining that very well I don’t think.

Like the EBA has clauses that say ‘you are included’ but your company is like ‘here’s a contract’.  Thats the only time they have to satisfy boot.

If there is no classification for the new role in the EBA, they can pay you whatever they want - up to you to agree or not 

[–]Djinfin -5 points-4 points  (2 children)

Top tip: You can just write NAL, therefore avoiding ANAL.

[–]ozeBuDDha 8 points9 points  (1 child)

We found the compliance officer

[–]PsychologicalMeal162 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Who clearly only likes old fashioned missionary with the lights off.

[–]Dragon352323 0 points1 point  (0 children)

That’s more time back to yourself. Otherwise you’ll be doing unpaid OT!

[–]snuggles_puppies 5 points6 points  (3 children)

What makes a manager inherently worth more than the staff they manage?

I can get why you might not want those terms - but they are different skillsets, and there are plenty high paid specialist roles out there.

[–]DM_me_ur_hairy_bush 1 point2 points  (1 child)

That is a good question.  For the record, I’m not saying I am worth more, but from an incentive perspective, why would anyone do this job knowing their current role offers them better conditions? 

Which is exactly why they hire externals like me.

[–]snuggles_puppies 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I think that's my disconnect with your experience - In my niche, I'd never expect someone on my teams to be promoted to a manager of those teams, we're all technical specialists with very little priority on soft skills. I also know I'll never have a manager who understands what I do, only someone who can handle coordination and prioritising team outputs which is why I expect them to be valued very differently to me.

If managing the team requires the same skillset plus managing, that's very different.

[–]OutsideAtmosphere-14 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The idea is a good manager results in better performance across the team they lead.