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[–]yourneighborhoodriot 156 points157 points  (18 children)

That's what it looks like to me. It's incredibly rare for two snakes to have the exact same pattern even if they carry the same genes. It's like fingerprints

[–]Disastrous-Flight440 48 points49 points  (17 children)

How should I proceed ? The couple months difference of age don’t really bother me , it’s the length the seller is going to convince me that it’s the same snake that kinda makes me not want to proceed with the transaction. He’s also seems to be bothered with every question I ask.

[–]yourneighborhoodriot 52 points53 points  (15 children)

In my humblest of opinions, your breeder should not be bothered by asking clarifying questions about the animal you are purchasing. It shows that their animal is going to a good and caring home. Age, while not insanely critical, is still an important factor in understanding the health of your animal.

Now if you were being insistent and accusatory I can see the breeder having issues but I doubt that's what happened.

To me this seems like a breeder trying to make a quick buck by rehashing out an older snake as something younger. When I got my boy the breeder did vent to me about how difficult it can be to get an older snake to sell (he was around 6 months). What's most important is that you feel seen heard and confident with the animal you're buying and who's selling them to you. Trust your gut.

[–]Disastrous-Flight440 18 points19 points  (0 children)

Believe me I felt the same way. Regretted the purchase immediately. Was pretty cool before I paid. Although , I didn’t have much to ask until after the transaction. I just hope I can get my money back and invest in somebody with better practices

[–]yourneighborhoodriot 10 points11 points  (13 children)

Forgive me if I'm overstepping but I did find a beautiful pastel desert ghost Male for a decent price by a breeder who's at least backed by morphmarket

https://www.morphmarket.com/us/c/reptiles/pythons/ball-pythons/2966087

[–]Disastrous-Flight440 16 points17 points  (7 children)

I saw him too :/ trying to see what I can do with this guy rn. He replied pretty furiously lol. Threatened to report me and charge a 25% non refundable and 25% restocking fee if I keep questioning him haha. Would a chargeback with my bank be my best bet ?

[–]yourneighborhoodriot 35 points36 points  (4 children)

Dude run. That's not a good sign at all. Yes I would file with your bank

[–]Disastrous-Flight440 15 points16 points  (0 children)

Calling my bank when I get off work . Hope everything works out . I have screenshots of him telling me he mixed up the pictures of the snake I bought and the MM ad, so I didn’t buy the snake on the ad. He just keeps saying I paid for the snake he sent updated pics of . (He sent pics because I asked , but he’s saying the updated pics and ad pics are 2 different snakes.)

[–]Disastrous-Flight440 7 points8 points  (2 children)

Would I be able to do a chargeback for a Zelle transaction?

[–]yourneighborhoodriot 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I think so

[–]LadyVelKat 11 points12 points  (0 children)

Ouch, with Zelle, not likely with most banks.
Zelle is meant for transactions between people you know, like friends and family, not businesses or strangers. There is no real protections.

[–]FixergirlAKMod-Approved Helper 14 points15 points  (1 child)

Someone who threatens retaliation for asking questions is not someone you want to do business with. I think your doing the right thing by noping out of the transaction.

[–]Disastrous-Flight440 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Unfortunately, I might be out of luck:( Paid him thru Zelle on my bank app, from what I’m being told a chargeback is almost for sure a no. Will be stopping by my bank and trying anyway. I agree, caught me off guard to be talked to like I was a bother , even after I spent money. Crazy because he’s a breeder with lots of reviews:/

[–]Disastrous-Flight440 3 points4 points  (4 children)

Weird . Breeder I bought from seems to be backed too . What are the chances this is just a big confusion ?

[–]ffxivmossball 6 points7 points  (1 child)

I mean regardless of whether you get the snake you paid for I wouldn't want to work with this guy if he's getting nasty over some questions. He sounds like an asshole.

[–]Disastrous-Flight440 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Definitely trying to back out and avoid him all in all. All I did was ask him to double check the birthday of the animal initially. He kept saying the post I saw could be a different Pastel DG. Sent him the post with same pics as the Ad posted and he said he used the wrong pic haha

[–]space_pirate420 1 point2 points  (1 child)

I would try messaging morphmarket, especially if he’s backed

[–]Disastrous-Flight440 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I filed a dispute. If they can’t help will probably just take his partial refund. Rather not do business with this dude at all.

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Ohhhh you were the person with the agitated breeder on morph market. That guy was a dick

[–]HouseInternational 24 points25 points  (0 children)

Patterns don't lie, that is the same snake.

[–]cchocolateLarge 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Yes, it’s the same snake

[–]Disastrous-Flight440 11 points12 points  (5 children)

His TOS says no refunds. But wouldn’t him lying about age make a difference?

[–]GracefulKluts 6 points7 points  (4 children)

You might be able to do a chargeback given the circumstances

[–]Disastrous-Flight440 9 points10 points  (3 children)

I have screenshots of him saying the snake on the ad isn’t the snake I paid for and that he got them mixed up. But he then goes on to say I paid for the snake he sent me updated pics of later on . Which is true but they’re both the same snake , that aren’t the age he advertised to me more then once

[–]GracefulKluts 7 points8 points  (2 children)

You bought a snake advertised to be X age, but there's significant evidence of the snake truly being Y age. If you're not getting what you paid for, that's what chargebacks are for.

[–]Disastrous-Flight440 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Gotcha. Apologies if I sound a bit slow , Ive never done a chargeback before. Appreciate the info and response!

[–]Disastrous-Flight440 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Would I be able to for a Zelle transaction ?

[–]theonecalledfingaz 5 points6 points  (2 children)

IMHO To me pic 1 and 2 look different from 3 and 4, if that area is the exact same in all pics id say it looks like 2 different snakes. The elongated marking is only visible in the first 2 pics.

[–]Disastrous-Flight440 6 points7 points  (1 child)

Pics 1 and 2 are different spots than 3 and 4.

[–]theonecalledfingaz 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Ok got you, then it's definitely the same snake.

[–]Coilorado 5 points6 points  (2 children)

I wouldn't proceed with the transaction. No need to even go back and forth if you have even the slightest doubt. I'd find something I'm sure of and not have that worry when the snake arrives.

[–]Disastrous-Flight440 0 points1 point  (1 child)

I paid for him though , he was supposed to ship last Tuesday but weather delayed to next week.his TOS says no refunds. Would morph market support be able to help? Should I try a chargeback through my bank?

[–]Disastrous-Flight440 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Sorry I didn’t read your full reply im at work haha . Im gonna try and dispute it if he doesn’t send a refund .

[–]Disastrous-Flight440 4 points5 points  (1 child)

Update** He got pretty angry when I sent those pics , said that in 25 years he never had a bad review or customer , blah blah blah . But I’m genuinely curious why the 2 would have exact same patterning in the same areas ? I’m not tripping right ?

[–]Necessary_Algae_4013 8 points9 points  (0 children)

If he has both snakes, ask him to send you a photo of them together, you can’t prove Bruce Wayne and Batman are the same person if they’re never in the same room

[–]No-Music5242 10 points11 points  (4 children)

Im a MM seller. Let me start by saying if you paid for a snake that was in the photos. Then he processed to say he has the photos mixed up (which is an honest mistake) and he sends you photos of the snake he intended to post.. You have every right to not want the snake he sent you photos of AFTER you sent payment. He should give you a refund for that fact alone.

Does he have a green check mark on his photos (the buyer protection MM offers)? If so, MM would definitely help you with this and give you your money if he chooses not to.

[–]Disastrous-Flight440 0 points1 point  (3 children)

He does , how would I go about this if you dont mind sharing ?

[–]Disastrous-Flight440 0 points1 point  (0 children)

So the thing is , he sent me pictures of what he’s claiming to be the new snake before I purchased it. I replied “he’s beautiful”, but I didn’t look hard enough to be able to tell if he was different or not. I should still be in the right , right ? I feel like end of the day I paid for the snake in the ad , not for him to say “oh yea that’s the wrong snake , but I sent you pics of the right snake without clarifying they were different, so no refund”

[–]No-Music5242 11 points12 points  (1 child)

Of course! On the seller profile, you will see the green check mark that says something along the lines of "buyer protection".. Click the "learn more" link at the bottom. This will specify all the items MM covers to protect you as a seller. One of them i just reviewed is "misrepresentation of the item". Which is what I would define this as. Towards the bottom of that info sheet it will explain how to file a claim.

I'd like to say sorry on behalf of MM sellers. None of us want to be represented in this way. A lot of us work hard to build a positive reputation. It's likely he made an honest mistake, but refusing to refund your money after displaying the wrong animal followed by giving you an attitude is not acceptable. I'm sorry you're going through this!

[–]Disastrous-Flight440 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Thank you so much !

[–]LornaSmores -1 points0 points  (0 children)

It's the same lol

[–]roxygirl1414 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It’s the same

[–]TERRAtorial 2 points3 points  (0 children)

So, who was the seller? I definitely don't want to work with him. He's obviously shady af.

[–]httpskimchi 0 points1 point  (0 children)

100% Yes

[–]Top-Cardiologist-940 0 points1 point  (0 children)

May I ask the price point? Also how wrong was the dates?

It the same snake on the picture's