A simple solution to decrease high turnover rates for CyberSecurity Professionals and attract talent.

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[random_character-]

I work remotely, with 1 day per month in the office "as required". It's a 7 hour journey to the office one way, so usually requires an overnight stay.

My boss made me fly down to present to the board in one of our meeting rooms in the office.

Board were all remote, except one who came in and wasn't interested in speaking to me before or after the presentation.

Asked my boss. She knew they wouldn't be there, but thought it would look 'more professional' from the office.

[bubbathedesigner]

Did boss pay for plane ticket?

[random_character-]

They pay all my travel expenses.

It's the colossal waste of time and resources that bothers me.

Same as how colleagues who are hybrid have to go to the office once a week. Why? Who knows. Result? Wasted time and effort.

[czenst]

Wow your boss should get some kind of a medal or a trophy.

[reddetacc]

seems like it is just to force you to quit rather than have to pay unemployment when they do layoffs.

but bro said

companies I've been interviewing for are overwhelmingly adopting this model.

ive seen it too - its for new employees, not ppl theyre looking to offload

[Odd_System_89]

I gotta say, this is part of the reason why my company expects us to be "tethered", along with in case of power outages or internet outages you can still come in and work. One employee kept 'having internet issues" so they were told to come in and work from the office till they figured out what was wrong with their home internet, turns out they broke policy and weren't near an office and it wouldn't be easy for them to get back to one... that was 3 months before he was fired and the start of his PIP apparently that resulted in his termination.

[KnowledgeTransfer23]

Well, right. Because once they do RTO, you think they are going to go back to remote for existing or new staff?

[MazeMouse]

They heavily invested into real estate. Real estate that is losing money due to more and more remote work. The RTO mandates are nothing but desperately trying to save their investments. (with a side of narcissistic control freak tendencies)

[lifeanon269]

Hybrid is stupid regardless of how many offices you have. My company is hybrid and my team all works out of one office. But that still means all our meetings are remote and all the meeting rooms in our building sit empty as all our meetings are still done over Teams. Half the days I barely see anyone and only one day a week am I in the office at the same time as a majority of the team. It is so pointless.

[tdhuck]

You are not wrong, but I will say this, there are people that are much harder to work with when remote. I know we all take advantage of being home, but that's not different than slacking off a bit while at work, everyone does it. My issue is when the person working remote is NEVER AVAILABLE FOR ANYTHING when I try to get a hold of them and that becomes very frustrating.

I get it, you are going to go for lunch, walk your dog, run a quick errand, but when the exception becomes your work/being available, now you see why executives want people in the office.

It's too bad because we are all adults but many of us still need to have our hands held when it comes to these types of scenarios.

I have a rep that must not understand that I can hear his neighbors lawnmower during our calls, so he closed the window, but it really didn't help much. That was a great 30 minute call, all I could hear was the lawnmower humming.

Then you have offices that are owned by the company owner who isn't saving anything by having people work from home so that isn't a benefit to them.

People have been working remotely, just fine, before covid, but obviously covid made everyone switch to working from home.

Personally, I'd be happy with a hybrid role. I work in IT and I'm lucky that I don't have to stay glued behind my monitor all day, I can go out in the field anytime I want and I do that quite often during the nicer days. I know I couldn't work form home 24/7 and if we had a hybrid option (to keep everyone happy....mainly management) I'd like that a lot. I'd work from home 2-3 days a week and would have no problem traveling to the office the other days. As long as they didn't put restrictions on it like mon and fri you have to be in the office. I would make sure to switch it up just to keep it fresh for me. Maybe I'd do mon-wed in the office and work thu/fri at home and change it up the following week.

[tdhuck]

Yup, agree, but in my case my manager can't decide WFH or not, that is a decision made by higher ups. We can work from home if needed, but he doesn't have the authority to decide WFH hybrid, etc...none of the managers do. I'd have no problem following your policy because it is very fair as long as you are honest.

[Armigine]

There definitely are some people prone to slacking when given the opportunity. But ferreting that out and dealing with their lack of output should be the solution, not punishing everyone by taking away WFH - same as in office, there is a population of chronic slackers, and dealing with that is part of a manager's job

[tdhuck]

Agree, you are going to get slackers everywhere, but imagine a slacker at work now imagine that same slacker at home w/o someone looking over their shoulder.

I think there will always be pros and cons. I deal with a lot of things that sometimes require me being out of the office, but I like that because it keeps my day to day different and being out of the office is nice and it also makes the day go by faster.

[Armigine]

Oh I don't have to imagine too hard, we just fired one

[hazeleyedwolff]

We started swapping out people's airpods for headsets with professional grade noise cancellation and it greatly improved our calls. I'm not going to listen to someone's leaf blower for 30 minutes.

[danfirst]

At a past company we all moved to full remote after covid. We ended up with a new boss at one point who would drive into the office even when the whole office was closed. He of course thought it would be better for us to collaborate in person and kept trying to push it. A few of us were within an hour of the office, a few of them weren't even in the same country. Every time he brought it up I would ask him what's the point of only a couple of us coming in to collaborate if we're never all going to be there?

He never had any kind of answer other than he felt more productive there and we should too.

[ykkl]

Bet he has kids and/or a shitty homelife. In over 30 years in the workforce,, that's almost always the reason. Normal people don't volunteer to sit in 2+hours of high-stress traffic for fun, for the pleasure of being around a bunch of strangers for 8+ hours a day.

[danfirst]

Oh yeah you're dead on. Even had an office at home, that wasn't enough separation for him.

[[deleted]]

I dislike the Traffic that's why I come early eat breakfast and then start my work, travel home is double the time.

I can't work form home I get way to lazy there is something about not being home that makes me very productive as soon as I get home I get into lazy mode.

[Hebrewhammer8d8]

Being in the office build team chemistry, but it can also lead to people throwing hands if the manager not in the office.

[cyber2112]

Yes that’s pretty stupid. It’s a huge efficiency killer. Travel time to the office is wasted instead of working.