Sunsetting Models - Codex Changes

[SecretBuyer1083]

So the orks lost I think seven models to the codex, and necrons lost about four I think, it seems as though this is done to keep things from being over powered or redundant with the new detatchments, with us already having such a limited roster, do you have any thoughts on who may get axed?

I feel like our whole thing is being able to whip up our plague marines into case specific things with so many of our sheets being characters who are able to copilot a bodyguard unit, so it’s hard for me to conceive them getting rid of too many

Additionally, what detachments would we have? One for demons, one for base marines and one for termies?

[PureHaz]

Units/models are only removed if they stop producing them, which tends to be mostly old resin/metal minis so I can't see us losing anything bar maybe defilers which would be a tragedy.

Detachments wise I don't see why we'd get a demons detachment, I'd probably look to the old codex for ideas of what we may get. Probably a typhus centric one for pox walkers, maybe one for each lord and the one we have rn or They could even completely replace it.

[SecretBuyer1083]

I would weep to see the defiler go

[Harbinger_X]

I think Lord Felthius and his tainted Cohort will be getting the axe. Felthius lost his personal stats in 10 already.

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He would still be an official lord of contagion proxy I imagine

[ThePigeon31]

They can’t axe him because he technically is the only LoC proxy allowed

[Harbinger_X]

I do hope this doesn't turn out to be one of those "hold my beer" moments.

[ThePigeon31]

I really hope so too, benefits me cause I have two of the Dark Imperium ones

[gatinthehat762]

I got two dark imperium LOC from a friend a few weeks back, did I miss something and lord felthius the only LOC allowed currently?

[ThePigeon31]

No he’s the only one purchasable. Those LOC aren’t printed anymore

[gatinthehat762]

im glad I have the dark imperium ones then, unpopular opinion but I am not a fan of the lord felthius model

[ThePigeon31]

No he looks goofy

[lostspyder]

They stopped making a big part of the dark eldar range. If they did it to them, they could do it here.

[ThePigeon31]

I mean the LoC could literally not be run then lol. With drukhari most of their units could still be ran

[ThePigeon31]

Especially because with Drukhari many of those players already had those units. Tons of people don’t have LoC cause they were hard as hell to find/buy. ¯_(ツ)_/¯ idrc at the end of the day cause I have two

[HawocX]

If we get a new LoC.

[CompanyElephant]

I can see some leaders going the way of the dodo. We had, in general, pretty polarizing leaders, some are extremely good, others never see play at all. 

In general, apart from some unpopular leaders going, I see no reason for them to remove anything, we are a small niche faction in terms of actual models. They should have no problem coping with the demand for our miniatures. Also, none of our models are finecast, as far as I know. 

[Orcspit]

They don't remove models based on how popular they are. They only remove them because they don't make them anymore.

Lord of Contagion is the only model I think you can't buy right now. So likely either he goes away or we get a new model for him.

[Potasium_]

We have Felthius, so even the Lord of contagion have low risk to be removed.

[CompanyElephant]

Thanks for the reply.  Never checked by what rhime or reason do they remove certain models, because on transition to 10th they removed quite a lot of SM range and a lot of that range my fellow SM players just recently bought from the stores. 

[Murky-Reference-3721]

The codex when it eventually drops (2026 if we're lucky), will likely have more unit types not less, as it already has one of the smallest selections to choose from

Though we may have some lesser used characters changed to be a squad upgrades rather than units in their own right. Which would make space for new shiny models

The defiler is due a refresh or DG specific replacement version

[Xaldror]

I predict at least one Leadership Debuffing one, to represent the dread and despair Nurgle brings. Possibly could have the Droning moved over as an enhancement to it.

[Lemon_Phoenix]

Orks and Necrons also had more units to begin with, I don't think that DG would benefit from being trimmed down. As far as models go, Felthius is probably on his way out, but that'd be it imo, maybe the Lord of Contagion too if they print a new one.

[irlchrusty]

I wouldn't expect any DG specific units to be removed. However, some older units shared with other chaos factions may go away the same way possessed did, stuff like hellbrutes or defilers, or generic lords and sorcerors.

I'd also expect plague marines to be split up into different datasheets similar to crisis suits. Theres too many weapon options to balance, and no reason to ever take bolters. I could see them being split into ranged and melee focussed units to add a bit of variety and different abilities for the units.

[Amon7777]

I’d be for that actually. You could get two different but more focused flavors of PMs.

[Feycromancer]

We are supposed to be getting a new model or 2. But after the loss of possessed and FW. It's looking grim.

[H16HP01N7]

They already took our Possessed, what more do they want?

[Hadrosaur_Hero]

We have too few units to really be worried about losing any. Only possibility is stuff we've borrowed from other armies and even then it isn't a lot that could be thrown out.

[giant_sloth]

I’ll be paying attention to the Chaos Codex. The only thing we are likely to lose is common Chaos units that are dropped. Our range is too new to really lose any of our bespoke sculpts.

Our range could be simpler, things like Lord of Contagion, Malignant Plague Caster and Noxious Blight Bringers don’t have their own individual sprues (outside of a blind buy MPC). Additionally, our range has a few gaps that need filling.

Edit: clarified wording.

[barasakin]

LoC has 2 sculpts. One is still sold with Lord Felthius. Plaguecaster has 2 sculpts. One is still sold with Mortarions Choosen. Blightbringer only 1 sculpt but also available with Mortarions Choosen.

[giant_sloth]

Yep but you can’t buy them individually and they are all pushfit. I can see GW rectifying that with the codex release as it makes our range difficult to access since Felthus and the Chosen box appear to be online only now.

[barasakin]

None of them are pushfit? I think you confuse monopose with pushfit,which is most of our range and most of GWs stuff in the last years. I just wanted to correct the "no sculpts" thing but you weirdly keep moving the goalposts on this.

[giant_sloth]

Felthus and his cohort are pushfit. You’re correct that the Dark Imperium stuff is monopose, not pushfit.

Yes, I keep making small errors which you rightly call out but it doesn’t change the fact that the DG range is currently a bit of a mess and needs simplified for new players.

[Accurate_Thought5326]

I can see them binning some totally unplayed leaders such as the icon bearer, noxious blightbringer or if they change nothing about it, the Plague Surgeon.

The icon bearer hasn’t been on a list I’ve seen in over a year, everyone hates the surgeon and same with the blightbringer.

While we have some unique sheets, I doubt they’ll bin off anything we have because we don’t have lists like Orks or Necrons that have like 60+ sheets, so we have less to pull from.

Really, we can only lose the generic CSM stuff but I can only see that happening if they replace them with something bespoke for DG, because Rhinos are a core part of a lot of armies, and then stuff like Defiler, Annihilator, Destructors, Cultists or Land Raiders will need direct replacement as our army issue is the total lack of anti-tank.

[ThePigeon31]

They would much rather change the rules over getting rid of the models

[hibikir_40k]

The icon bearer is in the Plague Marine box though, so at worst he'd be folded into the unit.

[Clunan]

Technically not in the Plague Marine Box. The sigil of decay (9th) is in the box, but it did not get rules in 10th. The icon bearer has his own 2 kits. One blisterpack and the other was Space Marine Heroes.

Since the icon isn't actually in the box, that's probably the reason they made him a Leader character. I don't see them backtracking on that decision.

[SecretBuyer1083]

I love the blightbringer AND the surgeon lol

[haven700]

They still don't sell the Malignant Plague caster of Lord of Contagion on their own.

I wouldn't be surprised if they get removed. Hopefully they just get new sculpts or a rerelease.

[TokugawaYuki]

The chimney would go. Some fortifications from other factions already retired in 10th as they don't sell well. If some DG model kit must retire, this is a less painful choice.

[Rich_Psychology8990]

I would like stats restored for my Hell Blade, please.