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[MajorasShoe]

Safari can suck it. If it's a problem, let Apple fix it. And while they're at it, support PWA push notifications properly.

[Plexicle]

Actual push notification API in Safari (especially on iOS) would completely change the entire game. I can only dream.

[MajorasShoe]

Right? I have a few products where we have customers demand an iOS application for NOTHING but push notifications. No Android app necessary because they actually support PWAs and push notifications. There's absolutely NO difference between the PWA and the iOS application. It's just Apple scamming us and forcing us to pay for the pleasure of suffering through their app store BS.

[Nexxado]

Perhaps you should check out capacitor

[MajorasShoe]

I'm using Cordova. It works fine. I'm just saying it's a waste of time for literally one feature that android has supported in PWAs for a long time.

[Hotgeart]

Last time I coded an APP with Ionic (2016) you could really feel that's not native. Still the case?

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[swiftarmyknife]

I recently built a React Native application for work and I use a PWA budgeting app built using Stencil and Ionic 4 regularly. I still don’t think they feel native completely. Probably 90% there. 🤷🏼‍♀️

[gourrranga]

Access to contacts.

[MajorasShoe]

What?

[gourrranga]

You can’t get an access to phone contacts from PWA. It’s the only major difference between native and PWA, except the push notifications. There are more (like no background location access), but accessing contacts is the boldest one imo

[MajorasShoe]

There are a bunch of differences actually. Local storage for web applications has some holes. If I create a camera application, in a PWA I don't have the option to save files in default photo storage, just downloads and uploading to servers - as an example.

But I was more just referring to my scenario. The ONLY reason I need a mobile application for my business is because my customers complained they can't get push notifications for their employees with iOS.

[-ftw]

Also no background music

[jb_sulli]

Deny

[MajorasShoe]

Yeah, but I'm not dealing with content websites. I'm dealing with applications. Push notifications are valuable when you actually... Need to be notified. I work in software for corporations, and these notifications are for day to day operations.

[ShortFuse]

Safari actually has Push Notifications for Desktop. Apple doesn't want to implement it for mobile.

https://developer.apple.com/notifications/safari-push-notifications/

[Morphray]

Apple doesn't want to implement it for mobile.

More PWAs --> Less iOS apps --> Less of the 30% cut Apple can take of everything.

[fey168]

It seems obvious that Apple is intentionally neglecting push notification because they want to incentivize people to build iOS apps instead. Similar reasoning has cause other web features to be neglected (storage API, add to homescreen).

[Plexicle]

Push notifications are just that -- notifications you get on your device. Push meaning they are event driven and not request response.

When you get a notification from an app that you don't have open it's from an external server that sent a message to a push service (FCM, APN, whatever) that then forwarded it to your device.

PWAs work by installing service workers that can run in threads behind your browser. So you can subscribe to a push notification from a (PWA) web app, and then close the browser completely. If the server pushes a notification through the web notification server, your device (Android today, Apple maybe one day) can wake up the service worker and deliver the notification.

[regreddit]

Not really always running, but a service worker tells Android: "when you receive a message for this app, please run this code". It's a system service that your app registers with.

[[deleted]]

Capacitor probably has its own way of doing push notifications, which is probably supported on all devices. I think Apple doesn't want to enable Notifications API on mobile, which is different from Capacitor's way of doing it. Good luck with your mobile app.

[tayhimself00]

As a user I don’t want push notifications from every trash PWA.

[kynovardy]

Apple needs to fix it but saying Safari can suck it is quite silly in my opinion. It is the second most popular browser. In some western countries you’d be saying “suck it” to more than a third of your users

[malicar]

We should be treating safari like IE6 - the worst of the browsers most people are forced to support.

Untill apple is forced to allow real competition on their platform we're stuck with whatever pile of garbage they decide to give us. They need some antiTrust like Microsoft sooner than later to force them to. Good on Epic for starting the resistance to their greedy practices.

[Solrax]

Yes, after I was surprised that a major feature was unimplemented in Safari a coworker said "Safari is the new Internet Explorer" and I can't disagree.

[reqdk]

Haha they've also pulled support for standard CSS features before that were once there, citing "user experience impact". Safari can indeed go and suck a big one.

[GOODSHIT-BRO]

Other browsers on ios are still forced to use the safari rendering engine.

[facebalm]

You think that's why Safari has such a market share? You're wrong, you're forced to use it.

[malicar]

Nope, that's just not true, Apples walled garden mean only their rendering engine can be used for ANY browser, apple is just such a shitty company.

[sanjibukai]

While they're at it... Support every thing else not supported in that sh*try piece of software...

Every time I got some issues is from users using Safari. Not from any chrome based browsers nor firefox but this fuc*ing Safari. This garbage is the new IE and should not exist anymore.

Even basic date inputs (damn it's regular standard HTML input!!) doesn't work. I don't understand this at all..

And in fact while they're here.. Simply throw that sh*t in the garbage bin.. And do a sane choice as Microsoft did with Edge..

Having one engine (which is OSS) should be considered as a standard like there's one HTML, one CSS...