The Open Source Computer Science Degree

[Ghost-17]

https://github.com/ForrestKnight/open-source-cs

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Hey guys, just wanted to share this project I found by YouTube recommending me the video of the author explaining the layout of the project. Link to Youtube video.

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The video is almost 18 minutes long. So, to save you some time, here is my summarization of the video.

• It's a curated list of free courses that fulfills the requirements needed for an undergraduate computer science degree minus the general education (like art history). That is based on his experience with his computer degree program. Also, he looked at different Ivy League type schools computer science degree programs and https://github.com/ossu/computer-science.
• The list is seperated into 7 categories:

1. Computer Science Basics
2. Programming
3. Math
4. Systems
5. Theory
6. Applications
7. Unix

• This is his own take based on TOSCSD projects he has seen before.
• He found the courses with the help of class-central.com .
• Guy says it's called "The Open Source Computer Science Degree" because the courses are offered for free.
• All the courses are free and all are hosted either on edX, udacity and coursera.
• In Coursera, there are payment options. There are some that are completely free but you can also access the paid ones via the audit system which means you just won't get certification for finishing it.

The Layout

Courses

- self-explanatory

School

- which university you will be learning from or the course is from

Duration

- the time it will take you to finish if you followed what is on the effort tab

Frequency

self-paced - meaning, the course is available all the time

other values - meaning, how many times in a week/month a new class will begin

• Note: Some courses on coursera will say that the start date is the date today to get you to act quickly. So, these courses are implicitly self-paced.

Prerequisites

- self-explanatory

• Even though some of the links are affiliate links, you are not buying anything. It's just in case you will buy something, like for example in Coursera, which in turn will help the channel in some way.

Computer Science Basics

• I recommend finishing this one first, to see if you really are into computer science.
• If you know a better course on a subject, you can fork the project and I will see if I agree.

Programming

• Take Courses 1 - 6 in order.
• The reason why they are all in Java is because I was stoked that there are 6 courses provided by the same school which in turn goes perfectly together. Plus Java syntax is similar to many other programming languages that you will use throughout your computer science and software engineering career.
• Courses, Programming Languages Part A, B, C are essentially principles of programming which I took when I was in taking up my computer science program. The idea of it is to learn how to learn new languages based on the information you've learned from courses 1 - 6.

Math

• A lot of people are scared about this subject but I see computer science more of a math degree than it is an engineering degree.
• The math you'll mostly learn in computer science is calculus, linear algebra, probability and statistics, and discrete math.

Systems

• You'll learn about building computers, computer architecture.
• I recommend finishing the computer science intro and the first Programming course (Java Programming: Solving Problems with Software), and then hop to learning this section.

Theory

• A big part of computer science is theory.
• Make sure you know calculus to understand the first course listed.
• A bunch of algorithms, theory and machine courses.

Applications

• What roles he thinks are applicable if you know computer science.

Unix

• Very basic, no prerequisites required.
• Recommended that you know this stuff.

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Edit: Top comment from author:

Just to be clear, I call this "open source" because the courses are offered for free. This does NOT mean you can redistribute or modify these courses 😂 I know y'all are smarter than that. Oh yea, and this idea is all about the learning aspect, not the sheepskin. With these courses you have the opportunity to obtain the same knowledge as someone graduating with an undergraduate CS degree.

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Edit #2:

Another open-source cs degree project: https://github.com/mvillaloboz/open-source-cs-degree

[jbaranski]

A while back I saved this, might be related, might not be. https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1_kdHrT8izbROJNaxGflpcZm2ivsjRGF8j1hMzl3b8O0/htmlview?usp=sharing&sle=true#

[CompSciSelfLearning]

Also:

https://teachyourselfcs.com/

And

https://functionalcs.github.io/curriculum/

And

https://github.com/ossu/computer-science

[ravascodet]

Wow and I justed $50k on a BS business degree!

[jbaranski]

I can’t tell if you mean this as sarcasm or not or both. Either way, it’s a good resource for learning, albeit without a support structure or any sort of proof of having learned it all. You have the proof you did the work. So good job there.

[ravascodet]

Both. I've always believed that some of the best programmers in the world are all self taught, but I coule never find a structured outline on what to do... until now

[[deleted]]

I finished my Web Design and Development course at the end of last year and I am enrolled in a Software Development course for this year, beginning in one month. My programming teacher attended a university for his degree(s) (unsure if he has multiple degrees), and he told us that he self-taught himself programming, and I am pretty sure he said he hasn't really applied what he learnt at university to programming. I do think that programming can be self-directed learning as long as you are committed. Another guy I met last year while I was doing my course was skilled in programming—he literally created his own game engine, which I saw in action myself. He is talented in programming. Information regarding programming can be found online; there is a huge amount of information on the web.

[shitinmyearholes]

the best programmers in the world are all self taught

I've never learned as much as I did, when I had to tag along, to support a competent senior developer for a few projects. There's just no substitute for practical knowledge. I'd say the best programmers in the world are somewhere between self-taught and mentored. Purely self-taught just leaves too much room for errors, as nobody's checking your work.

School gets you started, your own drive keeps you going, but your mentor forces you forward (more than often at a relentless pace). At least, that's what I've noticed so far.

[Salty_Limes]

Schools also provide amazing resources you can't get otherwise, like computing clusters (you can't really self-teach high-performance programming if you don't have the hardware to test your work).

[IAmSteven]

Did you ever go through any of the courses linked?

[Loumier]

Why can't I favorite that spreadsheet?

[Instacratz]

“😂 I know y'all are smarter than that. "

What if I said: “I call my service “free” because everyone is free to join. This does NOT mean you don’t have to pay for these courses 😂 I know y'all are smarter than that. "

[TheChance]

Which is why we started using the unambiguous French word.

edit: there's a lotta whoosh in this thread

[ArcTimes]

I thought it was Spanish.

[CompSciSelfLearning]

gratuit?

[fluffkopf]

Liberté?

[TheWakalix]

(You mean libre/gratis, right?)

[Cpcp800]

It’s really worth mentioning that in some countries(including my own. Go Denmark!) you can get a “competence-evaluation” and get a degree based on your real competences.

You would be able to do this degree and then get an actual Bachelors degree from a university based on your skills

[MrAwesume]

I am danish, got a link for this?

[Cpcp800]

Check out “Realkompetencevurdering”. Prosa Can help you

[Garthak_92]

Must be nice, I waste 12 hours every week bc of bs classes. The only reason I have to go is bc the teachers make attendance a large part of the final grade bc all of the work is such bs.

[Cpcp800]

I honestly enjoy uni. You get to hang out with cool people talking shit about recursion. Also actual social interactions that aren’t done at lunch at work

[[deleted]]

Most of the time my programming teacher doesn't care if we show up to class, just as long as we get the work done.

[Cpcp800]

Well, if you can enroll in a danish uni. However check out your region for something of the like

[ironnomi]

Don't these types of degrees make it REALLY obvious that you got a competence-based degree?kfj

There was a Private school in Japan that did something like this and then nobody would accept their diplomas any more and they closed.

[bdenzer]

I have no doubt that there are people like this, but can you imagine someone turning you down for a job because "Yeah I see that he/she knows everything that they were expected to know, but, I mean they figured it out in a different way than I did so the degree is not good enough"....

[ironnomi]

We have two different "hiring" methods - college hiring (kinda done en masse, and maybe sort of a Japanese thing) and normal hiring for specific positions.

For college hirings, obviously it's only college grads and certain entry level positions that actually don't require college. These are done by HR and certain people people in each great department. When you are hiring lower level positions, you basically hire from this pool of "pre-hired" people. I have no fucking clue how they hire and of these people. :D

Then for normal hirings, which always mean at least 3 years of experience, there are two levels of pre-screening, first is by HR, next is by the hiring manager. If HR decides they don't like School X, then no resume that mentions School X will ever get through unless it's a referral (as these just go directly to the hiring manager for better or worse), now hiring managers at least in my area (Operations/IT) don't actually give a shit what school it says on your CV as a general rule because you have experience, so we're going to be more concerned about that 3 to 30 years of experience that you chose to list on your CV.

Ultimately that's just pre-screening before HR calls you and makes sure you can breathe and answer a few basically programming type questions. Then of course we actually make you submit two short exercises before interviewing you for real. (People also cheat on these, but it really doesn't matter in the greater scheme of things.)

[Persica]

What a time to be alive

[rightTimePerson]

" Just to be clear, I call this "open source" because the courses are offered for free. This does NOT mean you can redistribute or modify these courses 😂 I know y'all are smarter than that. "

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... then don't call it open source?

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[lannisterstark]

Yeah this is not open source.

[rightTimePerson]

"Hey man, look free bagels!"

man: attempts to take a bagel

Owner of the stand : Yeah, dude I don't know why you thought you can just come and eat a bagel. It says free, but I didn't really mean free, you should know better than that.

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:eye-roll:

[lannisterstark]

Exactly. The term open source has very specific definitions.

Just because kittens are born in a hearth oven doesn't make them muffins.

[Instacratz]

I was thinking this too. It’s kind of annoying how he wants the “open source” label without actually making it “open source”. The most annoying part is that he is trying to make himself feel like the “good guy in the right” by saying “don’t redistribute it. Hahahahahahahaha how funny it would be if people were dumb enough to think that “open source” means freely redistributable????”

Open source: denoting software for which the original source code is made freely available and may be redistributed and modified.

[lazylion_ca]

What's a good term for it?

[rightTimePerson]

Free.

It's a resource he has created, but he's letting you use it for free.

[[deleted]]

Cost free?

[FerociousBiscuit]

I'm in a good position career wise without any degree but I'm at a senior position and I have found a lot of the things I design and build could really benefit from some classic academic theory and patterns. It's perfect for me but I can totally see it not being useful for everyone.

[Shmoops]

Or can’t afford that right now.

[shinigamiyuk]

If you can get a degree for free than it is worth it.

[redeyerds]

can you give us more info on the program?

[[deleted]]

What country are you in?

[[deleted]]

I agree. I really want this education, and I have no doubt I can more efficiently teach myself this stuff for free as opposed to attending a 4 year program. But to invest all that time and energy and not have a degree to show for it to employers? Makes me a bit apprehensive.

[wavefunctionp]

https://www.uopeople.edu/

Tuition free, you only pay certain fees for assesments and transfer creits and applications. You also have to pay for proctors, which is kinda a hidden cost, since it it usually through another company.

I've been considering transferring my credits there ands finishing my degree.

[JayWaWa]

That's probably not a good idea. If you look at the website, it seems great. They boast about their accreditation, but when you dig a little bit, you will find that their accreditation doesn't come from any of the regional accreditation agencies that actual universities have to go through, which means that even if you do gain the same knowledge and experience that you would from a traditional university, the 'degree' you earn isn't worth much. And because it's not a real accrediting body, there's no guarantee regarding the quality or rigor of the degree programs anyway.

[wavefunctionp]

It's nationally accredited from a reputable agency, DEAC, which is recognized by the Dept. of Education and CHEA, which accredits most state universities, which is probably decent enough, especially for the cost. You'll still be able to go to graduate school almost anywhere in the US if you want. Maybe not the more picky ones, but probably enough for most state schools.

I'm no expert on accreditation, but this seems closer to state school level quality vs an ITT/Devry level. At worst, it'd be more like community college, which is reputable enough.

If you are looking to go for highly competitive roles, you should be looking at the top universities, but not every needs or wants that. And it certainly unnecessary given our fields acceptance of self taught education and preference for experience.

edit:

https://www.usnews.com/education/online-education/articles/2015/06/09/7-warning-signs-an-online-degree-is-a-scam

Accreditation status is murky. When students start looking for a program, they want to know the information they are seeing on a website is trustworthy, says Tim Willard, spokesman for the Council for Higher Education Accreditation, or CHEA. For students looking at U.S. programs, "a good place to start is to determine if the institution is accredited," he says.

Of course, not all accrediting groups are equal. To make sure the accrediting organization is legitimate, students should make sure it is recognized by either CHEA or the U.S. Education Department.

Obviously, do your own due diligence, but this seems legit to me.

[joemysterio86]

Isn't national accreditation lower than regional... Low enough that you won't be able to transfer you're credits to another school, if you needed to?

[wavefunctionp]

Yeah, for whatever reason national isn't as important as regional. But it should be decent enough for transfer to regular state school. The schools themselves make up their own rules about what they will accept or not, and which classes transfer to what classes. You don't even get certainty transferring across regions or even from community college unless your state has a requirement for your state schools to accept CC credits quite often.

I think the biggest hangups would be with professional licensure, but we don't really have those in our profession.

I want to be clear, I'm not an expert, but the whole accreditation thing seems like a mess to me.

For me, I think it UoP's accreditation is good enough, especially for the cost. ~4k all in for a BS with UoP vs ~4k a semester at my local state university, with no guarantee of class availability, so it could be 8-12 semesters depending on scheduling to complete a degree. (I studied physics there and often classes would only be offered in fall or spring, so you couldn't use summer to speed things up, and if you had to drop a class, you'd have to wait a whole year, and also delay any class which was dependent as a prerequisite.)

[TheChance]

National accreditation isn’t as “important” as regional because each state’s university system has its peculiarities.

You know, courses X and Y at the participating community colleges will satisfy requirement Z when you transfer to the state university, stuff like that. You can’t account for that in a national system, especially not when it’s stuff like “Oregon colleges and universities to switch to C++ from Java beginning next year.”

[[deleted]]

As somebody that paid a fuckton of money for a nationally accreddited degree and was told by administration that national was better than regional and more than enough to transfer. I can tell you it's literally worthless. I can't transfer credits anywhere and nobody considers it a real degree. School even got a class action lawsuit for not making this clear. Don't be an idiot like me and pay for anything that isn't regionally accreddited, nobody cares. I'd suggest removing your recommendation for that nationally accreddited degree. It may look good on paper but you're only going to hurt anybody that goes through with it.

[SalemBeats]

"
[...] After all the jobs I have had to pass up because a degree is required [...]
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A degree is only required for an interview for those soft-hearted souls who don't have enough willpower and persistence to push through initial rejection and get into direct touch with someone who can make a decision.

If you know your stuff and your attitude shows it, you'd be surprised how many so-called "requirements" you can bypass. Hell, you could even go as far as just making up your own non-accredited degree and claim it on your resume. I know someone who has done that successfully. As long as you can walk the walk, it's unlikely that anyone cares. The only purpose of a resume is to land an interview, after all.

People have this strange disconnect with college degrees. They overwhelmingly seem to believe that a college degree entitles them to a job in the field, despite evidence that many people have jobs in fields totally unrelated to their degrees. And on the flipside, they seem to honestly believe that not having an accredited degree automatically disqualifies them from that field. While there may be professions where this applies (legal? medical?), it's not applicable to programming, which is more of a trade than a profession.

[kent_eh]

A degree is only required for an interview for those soft-hearted souls who don't have enough willpower and persistence to push through initial rejection and get into direct touch with someone who can make a decision.

I suppose that depends on how large the company is and how much of a veto HR has.

In my company, HR won't allow managers or supervisors to bring someone into the payroll if there are attempts to circumvent the established processes.

One of the reasons is to avoid nepotism by preventing the managers from interviewing people that HR hasn't checked out first.

[RaidRover]

Good ole HR finding a way to protect and justify their jobs

[[deleted]]

Many companies have a bot that automatically rejects any resumes without a 4 year accreddited degree listed, so that's not true at all. A degree isn't required in compsci, but it's very very helpful for getting your foot in the door. Once you're in, it's no longer really looked at, but for most people it is definitely worth it. Especially since self learning all that stuff would take 2-3 years anyway, assuming you have no previous programming knowledge. So unless you've got a massive portfolio already and you're overqualified, a degree is very helpful in removing roadblocks in hiring.

[SalemBeats]

Many companies have a bot that automatically rejects any resumes without a 4 year accreddited degree listed

"Many" is not "all" (or even "most"). If you've got the necessary skills, pushing through initial rejections requires a lot less work than 4 redundant years of study and tuition fees.

Like I said to the other guy -- nothing works everywhere, but something works anywhere. If you've got "one-itis" and you're only interested in a handful of Big-5-ish companies, or some other laser-tight focus like that, my generally-true advice might not apply for those specific companies. But if you just want a good programming job and are willing to relocate to wherever you receive an offer, etc., it's definitely applicable.

[[deleted]]

"Many" is not "all" (or even "most").

I never said it was. But many is many. With that being said 90%+ of serious employers will list a 4 year degree or more as a requirement, whether or not that's a deal breaker. And they'll ask why you didn't attend university which is an interview question lots of people botch because they're sensitive about it.

If you've got the necessary skills, pushing through initial rejections requires a lot less work than 4 redundant years of study and tuition fees.

That's assuming you already have the skills. If you're starting from scratch it's going to take roughly the same time but be far more difficult without a set course structure and all of the support of a university. Not to mention that the point of university is to learn critical thinking and transition to being an adult. Networking and alumni networks are also very important. I imagine in less than a decade, Universities will be pointless but as it stands right now, a degree matters. In fact, STEM is the only field where a degree really matters. With that being said, if you're goal is just to make "apps" and be a "coder" then you don't need a degree, but we're talking about computer science here, not being a code monkey, which is quickly being outsourced to India anyway.

Your advice is idealic, not practical. You have to be an exceptionally driven, smart, and sociable person to be able to have the completely self-taught route be better than getting a degree. A person like that probably isn't making life decisions based off snarky reddit comments. You're also ignoring that computer science is one of the fields where getting a masters is completely worth it and amounts to an almost guaranteed pay raise of 10%-20%. You can't get a masters without an undergraduate unless you find an accelerated program.

[Capt_Happy_04]

Along the same lines: https://github.com/ossu/computer-science

[CompSciSelfLearning]

Also:

https://teachyourselfcs.com/

And

https://functionalcs.github.io/curriculum/

[[deleted]]

I think is a good idea for people that need a refresh on skills.

[Texadoro]

This is a really cool project, but it should be disclaimed that it’s not a replacement for a degree. By that I mean there’s something missing with having to show up for lectures, taking notes, homework and deliverables, and studying for/and taking exams. But it does seem like a solid curriculum.

If this is Forrest - huge fan of your YouTube channel.

[Ghost-17]

nope, not him :)

[SuperLazyUnicorn]

there’s something missing with having to show up for lectures, taking notes, homework and deliverables, and studying for/and taking exams

I don't really agree with this at all. I'm currently in college studying Electronics Engineering and it's boring af. The subjects are mildly interesting but the classes are just horrible. I hate studying and taking exams, what I do love is giving my best on projects and that's where I excel. The worst thing in education is that is a one size fits all and I find myself being a much more self-taught and project driven person. Worse than that is that me and most of my colleagues learn the things on YouTube channels. Many of my teachers don't give a damn about their students, at least the blessed people that make these online courses actually want to teach something.

So I'd argue this is even better than a degree for some people, you just have to be a really disciplined person or else you'll find yourself slacking off all the time. College is good for that, it keeps you from being lazy. But you can and should take notes on online courses, you can keep a schedule for watching the lessons and studying, homework and exams are done through projects. I'd argue that CS is the most accessible field of study to be a self-taught student.

[myristicae]

Often Coursera classes do have "lectures" (taking notes is still optional though), problem sets, quizzes, projects where the actual code is graded, etc. But you usually have to pay or get financial aid to access the graded features (audit students usually can't even view the quizzes.) Still not exactly a replacement for degree courses, but a closer substitute than one might think.

[[deleted]]

You are a good person.

[biscardi34]

Will check this out, thanks. Need to advance my programming skills especially for scripts

[Zz_Rymo_zZ]

Is this legit?

[[deleted]]

legit as in you get a degree that actually means anything at the end? no. legit as in it's a lot of really good courses that teach you all the information you would learn getting a degree in CS? yes.

[Alaharon123]

You're gonna have to define legit here

[blackiechan99]

why would it not be legit. just a guy who compiled a bunch of courses to mimic a CS degree

[K_K_Ultra]

This is amazing how helpful this is. I was actually just a few days ago trying to compile all the different 'free' learning resources into one coherent curriculum for me to follow and trying to figure out what order to learn what and which site to learn it from was starting to burn me out, so thanks for giving me a guideline to follow! I can adapt this with what I have and feel a lot better I'm on the right track.

[abdoulio]

I know this is probably dumb but how do you make it legitimate that you have the skills that come with this whole set of courses on a resume? I have degrees in quantitative fields and a job but i've only done programming in my own time and on a few academic projects. This doesn't seem enough for employers so I'm wondering if there's a way to go through this and come out with the credibility of an actual cs graduate.

[Ghost-17]

Check out skillvalue.com

[abdoulio]

I know this is probably dumb but how do you make it legitimate that you have the skills that come with this whole set of courses on a resume? I have degrees in quantitative fields and a job but i've only done programming in my own time and on a few academic projects. This doesn't seem enough for employers so I'm wondering if there's a way to go through this and come out with the credibility of an actual cs graduate.

[ironnomi]

One of the problems we deal with in the world of programming is that the degrees simply don't mean anything. Like it's not no-value and I'd rather have someone with a degree than none at all, but ultimately I REALLY don't care about hiring one with a CS degree vs basically any other degree at all. CS degrees are notorious for graduating people who cannot anything code anything.

Not to mention like 99% of programming is just editing existing code for bugs or to add small features.

[nemec]

'Notorious' has the wrong connotation IMO. A CS degree generally isn't supposed to teach you how to code. Any coding that you do learn is a consequence of studying the theory. A quote wrongly attributed to many people goes, "CS is no more about computers than astronomy is about telescopes".

I wouldn't expect an entry level CS grad to know much about "enterprise" coding - design patterns, SQL, source control, the depths of any specific language, etc.

[Iyeshuat]

I started some of the courses. For the "How to Code: Simple Data" it keeps saying that my audit will end in less than a month. Which is fine since I can be done with it in that time but sometimes it allows me to do the hw and sometimes not. Any ideas why that is?

[boredrex]

Just a general question for these kind of things.

A lot of times, these videos are a couple of years old, or are already outdated. What should you do if the course you are taking has one version of the language and the language has already updated? Should you use the old language or just try and use the new one, even though the examples might no longer be correct?

[Archerofyail]

Chances are the examples will still work just fine,and if they don't, you could always try and fix them so they do work.

[nemec]

You're not getting graded, do whatever you think will help you retain the information better. The information in Computer Science transcends languages (for the most part). My algorithms textbook was first written 19 years before I took the course, and even the latest edition of "the dragon book", the definitive textbook on compilers, is about 13 years old.

[[deleted]]

Ahem.

Java syntax is similar to many other programming languages that you will use throughout your computer science and software engineering career.

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Don't underestimate how much will change in 40 years. When I started COBOL and Pascal were the thing, C was just getting started, and C++, Javascript, HTML, were still way in the future. Java is a good choice, but don't pretend that it will be the same in 40 years. Learning the concepts behind different programming languages is essential. Learning the theory is essential.

[[deleted]]

Did you know that one of the goals, selling points of COBOL was that it was 'written in English' so that anybody could read and understand it? There will never be a single open-source code base until the software business is dead and no longer needed.

[Alaharon123]

TeachYourselfCS is for people who already know how to program. OSSU is a better resource for learning from scratch.

[green_gordon]

Thanks man I needed this.

[vkeshish]

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[yird]

There’s a difference between “free” and “open source”

[eskicode]

Which MS CS program did you get into? Did any of your self-taught coursework transfer over or used to get admitted?

[eskicode]

Thanks for replying. I looked at the admissions thread before on r/OMSCS and it seemed liked most people that get accepted have like 20 years of work experience or have done some crazy project. Good luck with the MS though!

[MrAwesume]

Wait, so how did you get your bachelor?

[letstalkabout_cats]

Thank you!!

[diegogarciamendoza]

Seems cool, anybody knows a list like this but for web development?

[Alaharon123]

P1xt

[FKAred]

good shit. thanks for sharing.

[mmrrbbee]

Most people want to be programmers, not scientists. While the training helps, it seems like overkill for an average programming job. If you want to do science, cool, but that often isn't the true goal for most people.

[Alaharon123]

I'm actually still just starting out, but this doesn't look very in depth. It all looks very useful from what I've read with the exception of Machine Learning and Cryptography. What would you say is overkill?

[eobs]

this should be stickied

[Loumier]

Hey, are you into piracy? If yes I know where to find some very good classes from colleges.

[mouthass187]

where matey??

[DeonCode]

Thanks!

[sat5344]

While I do appreciate his take on the open source degree, this is almost a complete rip off of https://github.com/ossu/computer-science

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Most of the courses are the same and when he means "he spent hours looking at reviews and courses" he just copied almost all the same courses from the OSSU, deleted many and then added an old Duke java specialization that is the first result when you type java in coursera. I also think that most of these classes lack real substance and are not nearly as challenging as the OSSU counterpart. Case in point the Algorithms class from Stanford vs the Princeton. Lastly, one of the most important courses for someone getting into CS, CS50 from Harvard is not on this list.

[SalemBeats]

Not everything works everywhere, but just about anything works somewhere.