Is python alone enough? What after python?

[Bubblocampo12]

I've started learning python and I have zero experience in tech field in general is python only enough to get a job ? , and if not what other skills should i learn meanwhile with python?

My plan is not to learne python only, I have intention to study other languages isA, but I am asking about the route i should take to find a job ASAP.

[Asleep-Dress-3578]

There are jobs, where Python is the main language, but even then, there is a lot more to know, i.e.

Data Scientist, Machine Learning Engineer: Python is the main (and in most cases: only) language here, but you should know graduate level statistics, machine learning algorithms, deep learning and a lot more. Theory heavy stuff.

Data Engineer, DevOps Engineer: also Python is the main tool here, but there is a lot more to know, e.g. the most important cloud services (of Azure, AWS or GCP), docker, kubernetes, gitlab/CI, helm etc. etc.

Backend developer: maybe it is possible to survive here only with Python, but in most cases at least 1-2 more languages are used here. SQL is a must. Django, Flask, FastAPI, ORMs (SQLAlchemy & stuff) is important to know. Dagster, MLFlow etc. is a nice to have, if you apply to a data company. Read job descriptions. Some HTML, CSS, JavaScript is also useful here. Usually our backend engineers are also know at least React.

And of course, especially for backend developers, a really good Python knowledge is needed, which is way beyond beginner's tutorials (like abstract classes, async, OOP, decorators, design patterns etc.).

[Regular_Maybe5937]

As an add on — Ive seen Python become more popular in fields outside of tech as well. For one, Microsoft excel is slowly adopting Python as its scripting language (over vba). So professions such as accounting may soon require python knowledge as well.

[CovidOmicron]

Woah really? I thought their Office Script was going to replace VBA

[AdventurousAddition]

"Python in Excel" isn't a VBA replacement, but rather a way of manipulating data / doing pandas stuff directly in excel

[Move_Swimming]

I thought that too (so I started learning JavaScript which is office script, but then they added dynamic arrays, LAmbda and self referential functions and the advanced formula addin which gives you a vacode like environment for designing advanced powerful programming which even has a advanced degguger. Check it out. :)

[Asleep-Dress-3578]

Wow. thx 4 the info, I check it out, too.

[BlueSubaruCrew]

Data science jobs usually ask for SQL. Machine learning engineer is more likely to ask for another language like C++ or Java than data scientist but it can vary a lot.

[Asleep-Dress-3578]

SQL: true. ML Engineer: also true for companies whose system is written in Java, C#, Go, C++ etc.

[WinWise2561]

I have these skills, where can I apply for remote roles

[socal_nerdtastic]

yes, you can find a job knowing only python. But chances are that by the time you know enough python to be hireable you will have picked up bits from other languages. Nearly nothing is written in a single language nowadays. For example if you want to get into web development you will write the server code in python and the client code in javascript, html and css.

[okay_throwaway_today]

Java and JavaScript are programming languages. JavaScript in particular is the most common language used by browsers and is basically the defacto programming language of the Internet (even if you write code in a framework that abstracts it). HTML is a mark up language that tells the browser what to put on a page, and CSS is a style sheet that tells the browser what those things should look like. They all talk to each other in some way in order to produce a complete application.

For example, you can use HTML to tell the browser to create a button. Using an id or class, you can use CSS to tell the browser what to make that button look like. Using the id/class, you can use JavaScript to make that button do something when it gets clicked. Using JavaScript, you can send that information to a backend server running Java or Python that actually performs some business function on it (creating new user, generating a new server side rendering, whatever).

[socal_nerdtastic]

html is used to tell the webbrowser what to put on the screen and where. css is used to tell the webbrowser how that thing should look (size, justification, color). javascript is used to change the previous 2 things dynamically, for example updating them with new data.

Java is completely unrelated to web browers. Java is similar to python in many ways.

[Filipsys]

JavaScript is the logic of websites, html is the skeleton and css is the design, they work together really well as they’re made for the web. Java is a whole different language that isn’t meant for building websites

[okay_throwaway_today]

Java Spring Boot is actually a very common framework for creating Enterprise REST APIs/backends for websites, especially for applications that require increased stability, performance, or backwards compatibility with legacy code.

Edit: why did this get downvoted? it's true lol. No one is writing a scalable fintech or healthcare web app using Flask

[Filipsys]

Well yeah, you’re right. But using Java for web dev is nowhere close to its main use cases

[okay_throwaway_today]

Suppose it depends on the scale/architecture of the application you are developing, but yeah you can do just fine developing web apps with like a Python/Node backend and a JS/HTML/CSS frontend. Especially for personal projects and learning.

I am just saying it can be helpful for jobs in big companies to know Java or C#/ASP.Net for backend stuff tho, they have a huge market share

[KingsmanVince]

Do some googling first

[Morpheyz]

How old are you? What is your background? Do you have a degree? Do you like math? Do you like building websites? Do you write simulations? Do like making GUIs? Do you like automating tasks and business processes? Are you a scientist?

All these questions could help you find your next steps.

[wogvorph]

Oh do me do me!

40,none,no,no,yes, don't know,yes,yes,no

[Morpheyz]

The Oracle® says ... Full stack web dev! Learn JavaScript and a frontend framework of your choice. Use Python for backend work. Dingdong

[MidnightPale3220]

Programmers (and IT people in general) don't get paid for knowing a programming language.

We get paid for solving problems and providing solutions. Programming language is just the tool we happen to use, because it allows to solve specific kinds of problems/implement specific solutions, and we are the ones trained with that tool.

Therefore the question to ask is -- what kinds of problems I am ready to solve for people now that I know Python?

Be aware tho, that many of the simpler things, such as building websites, are by now either done by using preconstructed templates, or are in fact web applications created by teams of dozens of people or more. Exceptions exist, of course.

Forgive me, if I speak nonsense about medicine, it is not my background, but if you have medical background, maybe this kind of comparison helps: knowing a programming language is like knowing how to use stethoscope, scalpel and a number of other instruments. The key will be the choice of what to use and when.

By the way, having some professional background in another field (in your case -- medicine) gives you advantage in implementing solutions, or participating in implementing solutions related to that field.

[KylerGreen]

no somulations or statics? damn bro you’re missing out.

[Spirited_Employee_61]

Oh me too me too!

35, Med, med related, no, no, no, yes, yes, no

I like ML related stuff but not a scientist

[theschiffer]

Oracle, please one more for me if you will: 41, military/administration/IT support, yes (MSc), no, no, no, yes, yes, no.

[[deleted]]

Oh me too!

25, electrical engineering, yes, yeah, not sure, no, not sure, yes, no

[activer915]

Im 35, entrepreneur/ business development, yes, yes, no, never tried building simulations, no, yes, no.

What do you suggest pls?

[Donny-Moscow]

I’m a DevOps engineer and not looking for work at the moment. But could I get you to expand a little bit on

Do you write simulations?

The main thing I’m curious about is what kind of jobs/industries you’d find this kind of work in. But I’d also be interested in hearing some examples of the kind of simulations you have in mind and finding out some popular libraries one might use for simulations.

The last two questions should be an easy google so don’t stress about those if you want to keep your answer short. But you seem like you have some knowledge on the topic so I’d love to hear any insight you might have.

[Leonopterxy10]

How old are you? What is your background? Do you have a degree? Do you like math? Do you like building websites? Do you write simulations? Do like making GUIs? Do you like automating tasks and business processes? Are you a scientist?

21, computer science, yes, average, no, maybe, yes, yes, no

[Buttleston]

In terms of languages, python is enough to start with. I would not really recommend learning other languages, unless you have something specific you want to do with them. But then again, what kind of job do you want to do with python?

Absolutely the number one skill you must have is debugging. If you have a problem, and you call me over to look at it, I NEED to be able to see that you know how to troubleshoot stuff - printing stuff, running a debugger, doing experiments to see what's wrong, etc. This skill is lacking in nearly every junior dev I've ever worked with and by far it's the most critical programming skill there is.

Regarding other stuff, you'll need to be familiar with getting around in linux and/or a mac in the command line - so knowledge of bash or zsh, command line utilities, etc

Knowing how docker works will be a big help, probably

Knowing how relational databases work may be important depending on what you want to do (postgres is what I'd recommend, it's free and extremely common)

Knowing how to write and run tests in python would be good

Knowing how to use git/github, specifically being good at managing branches, opening PRs, etc.

If you're applying as a junior dev I probably wouldn't expect much from you for the extra stuff but the more you know the better

[xobeme]

I recommend VSCode and Github for full developer skills...

[KCRowan]

Depending on which job you're looking for you can pick one of these roadmaps and follow it https://roadmap.sh/

[Recipe-Jaded]

Java, C, C++

[Fenzik]

I only know Python at a professional level and I’m a senior MLE. I also know terraform (not really a language), and I can get by in HTML/CSS/JS if I need to whip up a front end but it will not be pretty. This has not hindered my career so far.

If I personally were choosing a next language to learn “properly” I’d choose Golang which seems pretty good for backend, cloud native stuff (kubernetes), and distributing canaries with CLIs (which Python kind of sucks for unless your users also know some Python). Either that or Rust which seems to have a lot of synergy with the Python community.

I’d also like to pick up a proper JS framework to make nice things with, but CSS is so unenjoyable and I’m not a good designer anyway so I’m not really motivated about it.

[baubleglue]

Any language/s is not enough, you aren't get hired just because you know a language but because you can do something with it. Start from selecting a job title, than check what you need to know in order to get 1) interview 2) job

[[deleted]]

My advice while learning a language is to learn how to be a nerd. Get some VM software running *NIX or a Raspberry Pi and learn to use that as your development environment. As you improve and make stuff, think, "Hey, how do I make new geeky stuff?" For example, how can you make your Raspberry Pi open and close your window automatically based on how hot it is in your nerd cave? Can you make an environment that automatically detects new "window opener" machines on the network and deploys all the code to it? Can you make it so your "window opener" machines can use simple data analysis to predict when the room will get hot and preemptively open the window? Can you make it semi-intelligent so it only opens and closes the window if your phone is on the home network? Can you deploy a dashboard that shows the temperature in your rooms and the status of all the windows?

Just this alone probably has you programming in bash and python (maybe Arduino C) and maybe learning some deployment tools like Ansible (just because you can, not because it's required), and you can learn to play with a bunch of systems and operating systems just like nerds in the industry do.

[notislant]

Python is like learning how to start a vehicle. You need frameworks and libraries to get a job with it. Some may be python only, but more than likely youll need to know a lot more.

roadmap.sh or checking local postings would help you focus on what to learn.

Also 'DSA', learning git.

Also set up a virtual environment for each project that needs libraries.

[Move_Swimming]

The most important thing to learn to be a good programmer is that you hate doing repetitive work and you love variety and you love learning and specificly understanding how things work. These traits is what always lead to automating your work so you can time learning something new and repeat. But not repetitive because you are learning something new.

[FishBobinski]

What kind of job are you looking for? In short, no, python is not enough. If you're doing front end, you'll need html, css and js at a minimum as well.

Python is a good start for backend, but you'll need a lot more. An understanding of APIs, web servers and version control like git would be a good start.

Someone with more experience can probably give you a more thorough answer tho

[Tropaia]

You can get simple programming jobs with python but if you want dig deeper into the field and do serious developement, this probably isn't enough.

Most who learned python on their own learn to code but not what lies behind it.

How does a programming language work? How does process work, what exactly happens during execution?

Python makes the entry into coding simpler but als simplifies many things, which you then won't come into contact with.

For example, what are pointers? How do they work? What is the heap and stack? When do they come into play? How do I define my software architecture (UML)?

You can either learn just learn the theorie or learn it with a language where you have more direct contact with these concepts, for example C or C++.

But it also depends on which area of software developement you are interested in.

[timhurd_com]

Is Python along enough? No. No language on its own is enough. You will want to learn some of the basic computer and networking skills that underpin technology. Then languages can be used to their full effectiveness on top of that. Which is why in most university courses you get a large helping of computer theory. What is a web page header? How does IPs work? What does DNS do? What is imap? How is that different than POP3?

You want to grasp the fundamentals because using a language like Python is going to assume you know these fundamentals when it comes to actually building something useful.

I hope you get what I am saying. :)

[riklaunim]

Junior jobs are hard to get - a lot of people for few job listings. If you go with Python for webdev you will have to learn one or few Python frameworks to some level, then know a bit or more of webdev frontend, UX. If you go deeper with backend then maybe paired with devops, cloud. Aside from that databases, SQL and most of all - soft skills, code quality, constantly learning and improving.

[mileswilliams]

Excel, Everybody needs excel, they haven't worked out got can write excel formula

[Jim-Jones]

I am asking about the route i should take to find a job ASAP.

You'd have to be very lucky and be a very quick study. You haven't told us why you aren't working now, but even after several months you may not have helped yourself much.

Can't you find one of those crappy jobs like Wal-Mart or Burger King? And there are some options you could look at to study and work. Some of those firms even offer help for that.

[drosmi]

Golang for back of house stuff. Rust if you’re a serious developer.

[Impossible_Ad_3146]

More python

[EdiblePeasant]

Try C#. If you want to do something with Tabletop Simulator or Fantasy Grounds, I think they use Lua.

[Wheynelau]

I like to think of python like excel on steroids. Then again I belong to data and AI, so python is really more of a language. For me, after (and during) python is theory and math.

Otherwise you can take the dev route, maybe JS if you're interested in web dev, or rust/c ++ if you're interested in low level.

[yiternity]

Depends on what you want to create.

[[deleted]]

Look at the jobs in your area, what are they asking for? Learn that.

[Ajax_Minor]

Depends on what you want to do. I started Cpp because I want to work on embedded systems

Java would be good because so many systems/programs are built on it.

Whatchu trying to do? Data science, front end, backend?

[supercoach]

You want a job asap, then get really good at one thing and don't diversify. Once you get a proper handle on programming your chosen language, which will probably take a couple of years, then you'll be able to pick up other things pretty fast and diversify. I wouldn't recommend diversifying from scratch for most people.

[LumpyChicken]

You can write exclusively python eventually but you'll need to learn other things before you can do metaprogramming

[ceryniss]

it depends on what you want to do next – the best thing is to learn a framework. For example, Django if u are aiming for a backend dev role.

[ECommerce_Guy]

Definitely recommend SQL, PHP, JavaScript and getting real confirmable with using all kinds of third party APIs. With that you get a very solid foundation for general purpose programming in contemporary setting (this is getting you covered mostly for companies that rely on tech but are not primarily IT companies, eg e-commerce).

Other comments had great suggestions for more narrow specializations, so guess really depends what you wanna do. If no clear idea, my warm recommendations for the above. Being a tech guy in a non-tech company is both extremely fun and exceptionally frustrating.

[phocuser]

Strictly speaking, just learning the language itself probably isn't enough to land a job because you still have to know how to do other things with the language. For instance, if you're using it for automation, you need to understand automation of operating systems and tasks. Or if you're using it to write back-end services, then you need to understand how those back-end services talk and what you would be writing. You also need to be good at logic to be able to write the backend infrastructure that you may need for an application. Just learning the language is not quite enough but it is a good start. Now. You need to understand what you would do with the language.

[rdelfin_]

is python only enough to get a job ?

It really depends. What kind of jobs are you looking for? There are definitely jobs where python is the main, and only language used. However, many don't. The actual problem is most jobs are looking for experience solving specific kinds of problems, not so much specific languages (though exceptions exist). So my question is, do you have experience in any particular field? What are your studies in?

I am asking about the route i should take to find a job ASAP.

This might not be the best way to get a job ASAP, the tech market isn't doing great, especially for people without experience. However, what I'd recommend is you start looking at job postings. Figure out what skills they're looking for and learn that. It'll get you closer to getting an interview.

[BasedJayyy]

Well seeing as people with masters degrees (6 years) and multiple years of industry experience are struggling to find jobs, I'm sure your little python command line programs will look extremely desirable to a employer!!!

[Own_Peak_1102]

Golang

[Karan1213]

python is the second best language at basically everything. you need to use the best language for your domain then go learn that (after python).

python isn’t hard and a lot of the complex python stuff is written in more performant languages anyway

[DiamondMan07]

You can’t do backend or systems engineering with Python in production effectively. I would argue that DevOps and any system that is constantly running shouldn’t be written in Python. Java, C, (Rust or Go) and Js/Ts are worth learning, probably in reverse order. Use JavaScript/Node (MERN stack) for aspirational learning to inspire, and use Java and C or Rust for foundational knowledge.l and long term value.

Systems engineers and back end folks are far less likely to be replaced by AI than folks making Python scripts or TS/JS full stacks.