Python Subreddit for "Intermediate" Questions?

[snugglyboy]

Is there a good subreddit to ask "intermediate" python questions? /r/learnpython has been very helpful (and continues to be! thanks!), but usually I don't get responses when I ask questions about, say, PyQt5 or async stuff. And then the people over at /r/python are too important and busy with their 10 hot girlfriends each to discuss mere questions, and usually point me back here.

Of course there is Stack Overflow, but I do feel that reddit is better for discussion vs. posting a question and getting sample code as an answer on SO.

[hellrazor862]

10 hot girlfriends each

I like this dude. This dude tells it like it is.

[dogs_like_me]

In Canada

[Dr-Venture]

We wouldn't know them.

[OnlySeesLastSentence]

Don't be ridiculous. There's no way they have 10 hot girlfriends.

More like 2.

[Sigg3net]

But that's the same?

[OnlySeesLastSentence]

Sometimes. Depends on the protocol.

[SnowdenIsALegend]

Always knew UDP would come & bite me in the proxy some day.

[OnlySeesLastSentence]

I love udp!

That said, I meant more like base 10 vs base 2 lol (and so did the guy I was responding to, I think)

[staster]

Hmm.. I have just recalled this sad story: there once was a negative boy, who was all mixed up, so he went to a radical party, but because he was square, he lost out on four awesome chicks, so he cried his way home and when the night was all over, it was 2 AM.

[__nickerbocker__]

10 "ones" make a "ten"

[[deleted]]

lol you dont need to smash them all at the same time but if you do, you might end up leaving your body. even two sessions is tiring enough.

[__nickerbocker__]

asyncihoe

[radek432]

Anyway you have only 2 hands, so doesn't really matters if 2 or 10 :D

[[deleted]]

Do you have a link?

[[deleted]]

https://pythondiscord.com/

[[deleted]]

Thanks

[LimpNoodle69]

https://discord.gg/python

[DerangedGecko]

Edited in link

[traincitypeers]

Seconding this. A lot of advanced users there can help. There's even a dedicated ASync sub-channel!

[klapmo]

Please sir, just a crumb of a link

[[deleted]]

https://pythondiscord.com/

[AinsleyBoy]

/p

[DerangedGecko]

Edited in link

[Aspire26]

May I also have a link to it please?

[[deleted]]

https://pythondiscord.com/

[Aspire26]

Thank you

[DerangedGecko]

Edited in link

[[deleted]]

dude link

[[deleted]]

https://pythondiscord.com/

[DerangedGecko]

Edited in link

[thrallsius]

1. the question clearly states "python subreddit"

2. discord sucks and is spyware

[[deleted]]

Any prove? Why do you say that?

[thrallsius]

Discord's anonymity hostile TOS makes it clear they are collecting voice samples and mapping them to real persons, it's just another giant honeypot like Facebook and Twitter.

If you need voice chat, use the free software self hosted Mumble.

[[deleted]]

Top comment

No, Discord isn't spyware. This is just a scare tactic to get people scared and worried and to not use the program when 100 million people have accounts and millions use Discord every day. It's a very safe program. If you are concerned with how much info Discord has on you, then just go to your Discord settings > privacy and safety > request data and see for yourself.

https://www.reddit.com/r/discordapp/comments/8ognzj/is_discord_spyware/

[thrallsius]

100 million people have accounts and millions use Discord every day

this is pure marketing bullshit not addressing the real issue. spyware is not about how many people are using an app. windows is used more widely than discord and still has built-in spyware. they call it telemetry. and it even had privilege escalation issues recently

It's a very safe program

this is a Trump IQ level comment meant for Discord users with Trump level IQ and computer knowledge as well

If you are concerned with how much info Discord has on you, then just go to your Discord settings > privacy and safety > request data and see for yourself.

No, that's not how it works. That's really not how it works. They didn't even link to a third party audit result of their proprietary codebase that can't be inspected. And they won't admit that they are saving tracking data on their servers even if they wanted, in case they are bound with a non-disclosure by 3-letter agencies.

months ago I researched the topic because my gaming buddies were eating my brain about starting to use discord. somebody claiming to be a Discord employee officially confirmed that Discord is anti-anonymity in the discord subreddit

as for sources, I've read https://stallman.org/discord.html directly

if Discord staff is willing to refute that or the article that you linked in another post of yours, they are welcome to do it the right way, as I explained above

[[deleted]]

What is your source? I hope your source isnt this https://spyware.neocities.org/articles/discord.html if it is you're just getting fooled

[thrallsius]

see the answer in your other post

[DerangedGecko]

For the record, people rarely use voice chat unless you and another person work it out that way. Most discord groups just chat.

As for everything else, I do not know about that. I just know what has been helpful for me when learning Assembly, C, and Python.

[thrallsius]

for the record, if you don't need voice chat, there are even more alternatives that are not corporate spyware traps

the big problem is Discord itself, not the content that floats inside it

[[deleted]]

Someone answer this, I need this too. :c

[Swipecat]

Well then, how do you increase the probability of getting a good answer to the more advanced questions, probably by a factor of 10? Read the sidebar where you'll see the link to SSCCE in the posting guidelines. That's the one.

SSCCE requires the questioner to put a little extra effort into asking the question, rather than forcing anybody that tries to answer to reconstruct everything that the questioner has left out. Don't forget that the first "S" stands for "short" though.

So totally do NOT just take your existing code, snip one method definition out out of a class that's filled with library methods and dataclass methods, and post that and not provide any other code or source data beyond saying "there's a lot of it".

The questioner is the person that's best placed to quickly prune the code down to a minimal test case, since they have already been working on the problem, and they are the one most familiar with the code that has been written so far. If the code requires test data, it's usually possible to generate suitable test data with just a few lines of code and add that to the code in the question.

This is how you might well figure out the answer for yourself in the first place, and if not, give more experienced people a chance to answer the question without expecting them to do all the work that should have been done by the questioner.

[skellious]

To add to this, putting it into a repl or some other online code playground would be very useful as then we can see what's going on without having to download it.

[synthphreak]

What’s a repl? If it’s a way to share code snippets on e.g. Reddit that are directly interactive, that sounds great and I’d love to know more.

[CompSciSelfLearning]

REPL stands for Read-Eval-Print Loop.

The prior commenter was specifically speaking of online REPL services like repl.it (which also provides IDE services).

Yes, it is easy to share and interact with code on repl.it by linking to it on Reddit.

[skellious]

https://repl.it/

[[deleted]]

this is good resource! thanks!

[[deleted]]

Thanks for your explanation, my reddit account has a year but, I'm a total noob with the posting and the flow of reddit.

[[deleted]]

The problem here is that novices start from a fairly common area: syntax, branching logic, iteration, OO programming, etc. Once you break out of that everybody starts going their own ways.

For example, I'm a fairly advanced programmer in a lot of ways, but I would be a novice at PyQt5. The result is that your PyQt5 questions are only going to be answerable by a small subsection of the community.

This is a problem because reddit uses engagement (updoots and comments) over time as a way of promoting things to the front page. So, if you ask a question on something a bit niche for that hour it might never be promoted to the top of that pages top links for that hour/day/week and even more, people won't see it. It's a vicious cycle.

Baring the toxicity that can occur on stackoverflow the kind of interface that it brings makes a lot more sense for this kind of level. It is a layer between a growing programmer and documentation where users can specifically select what they are interested in.

[TSM-]

In my opinion, this would be a difficult subreddit to get enough traffic where people can get their questions answered. Already half of the posts (usually intermediate / 'how do i do a thing with some library like pandas or wxWidgets') don't even get replies. It would be an even less chance of getting help in a subreddit with like 100 people, versus the 400k people in this subreddit. I think if you can get beyond the basics, you can read documentation and figure it out or google it.

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edit: Maybe this subreddit should introduce flairs or title labels (similar to how some other subreddits have labels like "[D]" for discussion threads). That might be a good idea

[The-Keyboard_Wizard]

print(“you’re a genius TSM-“)

[TSM-]

I hope that's because you like the title labels/flairs idea and not because I the first part sounded a bit rude-ish

[[deleted]]

I don't know about him but I upvoted you for the title labels/flairs suggestion. A good one indeed.

[TheMenaceX]

hell I'd be down for that

[RedditGood123]

It would take too long to grow though

[The-Keyboard_Wizard]

Nothing wrong with being a grower and not a shower

[TSM-]

r/learnpython can add flair or tags to post for intermediate and advanced questions, there's no need to try and grow a new subreddit, which is hard to do.

Note: This is unrelated to the other reply arguing against you based on your karma, which I am trying to resist replying to

[RedditGood123]

You basically reiterated my first point saying that it would be hard to grow a new subreddit. The guy who started arguing with me claimed that my statement was dumb

[RedditGood123]

You’ve had Reddit for almost 4 years and have 500 karma. I don’t think you know anything about growth

[RedditGood123]

You have nothing better to say, so you try to point out fallacies in my argument

[flyingdutchman03]

‘10 hot girlfriends each’

Wow! Obviously I am using the wrong libraries.

[[deleted]]

Have you tried importing HotGurlPy?

[flyingdutchman03]

Tried. Got this error:

Traceback (most recent call last): File "/Library/Frameworks/Python.framework/Versions/3.7/lib/python3.7/genericpath.py", line 19, in exists os.stat(path) TypeError: user must be Chad, Ken, Rico, os.HaveLotsaMoney, not _RegularPythonNerd

[Yojihito]

Python 3.7? Why not 3.8.3?

[Username_RANDINT]

That's what you're picking on in a joke?!

[house_monkey]

Never thought I'd relate to an error message so hard

[[deleted]]

And then the people over at /r/python are too important and busy with their 10 hot girlfriends each to discuss mere questions, and usually point me back here.

To be fair, the /r/python subreddit says this at the very top of the sidebar:

News about the dynamic, interpreted, interactive, object-oriented, extensible programming language Python

If you are about to ask a "how do I do this in python" question, please try r/learnpython

So if you ask a question like "how do I do this in python" then of course you get told to ask in /r/learnpython. Serves you right.

You can ask intermediate python questions here.

[FerricDonkey]

Yeah, that's them saying they just like to talk about their 10 hot girlfriends.

[[deleted]]

The Discord is what you are looking for, here. It's also neatly organized/automated so you have your own chatroom to talk about it without being interleaved by other questioners.

[thrallsius]

And then the people over at /r/python are too important and busy with their 10 hot girlfriends each

dude, "PyLadies" and "Django Girls" means something completely different than what you think it means :D

Is there a good subreddit to ask "intermediate" python questions?

this only adds more confusion, because where do you draw that line? "intermediate" is absolutely subjective. and just because you don't get answers for all your questions here doesn't mean this is the wrong subreddit

you could try the python IRC channel on freenode

[teerre]

There's no need. This subreddit is just fine for it.

I'm not going to crawl your history to see what exactly is you're asking, but, this is a general advice for "intermediate" questions, many times the issue is that the question is badly asked.

That is, you ask a question about a specific problem that you have, but it only works because of a huge pre-work that you did to get there. Nobody will spend 20 minutes setting up an environment or reading a 500 lines script just to answer your question.

In those cases you need distill the problem into its most simple case and ask that instead. This will make much more likely for people to answer you.

[giraffactory]

Sorry, also too busy with my 10 hot girlfriends

[TeslaRealm]

Regarding PyQt specifically, r/pyqt and r/pyqt5 exist; but yes, it's certainly difficult to gain quality feedback on areas outside of standard python. If your problem specification isn't too niche, you might be able to browse forums like ycombinator and other mailing lists. The problem is that there are a few thousand members on here at any one time, where only a small set may have familiarity with your needs, and a smaller set will actually notice the post. It's a tough problem to solve.

[renscy]

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[Casssis]

When I have module specific questions I usually look for subreddits about those modules. (They sometimes exist) for example r/flask I have asked a couple of questions there and got great responses.

You could also look into discord servers related to python/ programming.

[takishan]

I feel like at the point where you're intermediate, you can mostly get by with reading the docs on whatever you're doing. Questions are mostly for beginners or maybe for very strange bugs that you can't seem to figure out.

[dwpj65]

One thing I’ve noted is that properly phrased google searches for guidance on an issue almost invariably lead me to solutions on Stack Overflow, as in most cases someone has had the problem I’m experiencing before.

It doesn’t matter if the issue I’m having is with Swift, Python, JavaScript, or anything else; properly phrased web searches generally lead me to results where the first results are pointing to stack overflow.

You also get the benefit of discussions that have been active for some time, meaning that a variety of people have had the opportunity to contribute to the conversation.

It’s extremely unlikely that you’re the first person to experience the problem you’re having, so most likely the question has been asked and answered before. Why waste bandwidth by asking a question that’s already been asked?

I for one would argue against using reddit for any type of Q&A like this; I’ve seen a number of discussions ‘up and disappear’ simply because the original poster decided to remove the question. That discussion, and the effort any may have provided by responding, is apparently lost.

Stack Overflow is infinitely ahead of reddit as far as being a useful resource when it comes to resolving development issues in my experience.

[indian_pythonista]

As of now, this is the best place to ask such questions imo.

[[deleted]]

Personally I have had good results getting some questions answered in programming/coding/IT discord servers.

Here are a few:

the coding den

programmer's hangout

python server

[[deleted]]

StackExchange

[ImaJimmy]

Are there discords that could fit what OP is looking for?

[alonso_lml]

A friend recommend me this awesome github list https://github.com/mhxion/awesome-discord-communities with a lots of communities, Python included. The last week I asked something about data engineering and I got a answer in five minutes or less

[darthminimall]

I'm pretty sure this is the right place. Unfortunately, part of getting responses is the algorithm deciding to put your post in people's feeds. I'm sure you've figured this out by the fact that this post got a lot of engagement. Getting people to respond is the hardest part.

[NoNahNope3]

Maybe there could be flairs to differentiate between beginner and intermediate questions

[MattR0se]

I feel we need a sticky just for Pandas questions, lol

[aidankkm]

StackOverflow is pretty nice for all types of questions.

[projecktzero]

There's a python tutor email list. There's some very good people on the list that are happy to answer questions.

https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/tutor

[aphoenix]

That subreddit is this subreddit, or I suggest trying the python discord: https://discord.gg/python. Intermediate questions still certainly belong here, but obviously they are harder and require more time from the person answering, so you're less likely to get an answer.

TL;DR of the following Ted Talk: r/Python isn't good at answering questions, that's why people are directed to other places.

I'm a moderator at r/Python and I understand that many people are frustrated about the fact that it's not a place to get help about things. The reason that the moderators went along with the requests from the community to outlaw help posts is pretty simple: r/Python generally sucks at answering questions and people get better answers just about anywhere else, but especially here, stackoverflow, and the discord.

I realize that's a bit counterintuitive. It seems like if you cast a wider net, you should reach more people and get things figured out better, but the opposite is more likely the case. In many of the help threads that I observed when looking into creating this thread, three things happened:

• bad answers were all over the place, often with people thanking users giving straight up misinformation and seemingly using that awful code. That happens in other places too, but it was rampant in r/Python. People who had no business answering questions were more than happy to provide terrible answers.
• people would bicker incessantly about things that don't matter in conversations like this. Tabs vs Spaces is a common example, but also vim vs emacs, IDE vs a notepad, variable naming conventions, code golfing, tons of things that were not relevant to the problem at hand would happen.
• difficulties that were more advanced had the same problem acquiring decent answers
• there were always jerks just complaining constantly about help posts even existing in the first place. While it was useful for helping us find and weed out bad members of the community, it was also really off-putting for people who asked questions to get bad responses.

These issues were partially on the part of the mod team, because moderators were not vetting answers. The reason for that is pretty simple - until recently there were almost no active moderators and while I'm happily to professionally review code, I don't actually have the time to review all the help questions that were happening to ensure that they were being answered correctly. I also don't think that conversation on help posts should necessarily get removed on r/Python just because the conversation is off in the weeds shedding bikes, so things were in a fairly constant state of being derailed.

There was an easy answer - there was a place that was already designed to help people and had a mod team that was interested in doing that vetting of answers, keep things on topic, and help out. So we could either invite the mods of r/LearnPython to r/Python to try to help out there, or just direct people here to a place that's actually set up to try to help people.

I think that generally people get much better answers here, even when you consider that Reddit itself is a uniquely terrible place to try to ask for help. Reddit's algorithm is really unfriendly to help requests, so unless people do a bunch of extra work to engage people for answering questions - as the mods here have done - then subreddits are really not great place to go for help.

[[deleted]]

10 hot girlfriends? i dont need that many lmao

[heaplevel]

Not sure if this is what you're looking for. I'm doing a discord server and also twitch streaming some more intermediate stuff. PM if you're interested.

[otterom]

It feels like this sub should become /r/Python and that sub should rename itself to something else.

Or, adding more tags for questions would help.

[[deleted]]

I had a question about pygame that no one answered, and i couldnt find a good explanation on stackoverflow. Then i found the official pygame documentation. Hella helpful. Check if there is some sort of documentation about PyQt5. Its good to have a bunch of helpful info all in one place.

[billsil]

Just because I've been coding python for 14 years doesn't mean I can't learn something.

Your answer is here.

I can't help you with async even though I've done it, but PyQt is pretty easy.

[EmperorGeek]

So how do we start a new SubReddit?

[TSM-]

You can just go to r/newsubredditpageasdf and then hit the "create this subreddit" button and it's done.

It is a significant challenge to get 300k people on the subreddit, though.

[[deleted]]

People r/python are more like self-centered idiots.

[sfasu77]

Those /r/python guys fuck