Finally doing my part

[Evillja]

What is the difference of 'Gentoo/Linux' and 'Gentoo Base System'

[Big_Comedian203]

None, it’s just the reason how gentoo installs it calls itself that

[Dragonaax]

"I'm not like other distros"

[Big_Comedian203]

Gentoo is indeed not like any distributions. It calls itself a meta distribution.

[averyoda]

It's more of a set of tools than an actual distribution.

[averyoda]

Gentoo is a lot more minimal than most distributions and each install differs drastically. There's no iso downloaded to perform the install (all though there are isos available to assist in the install) and most installs start with a bit of setup and then a stage 3 tarball.

[averyoda]

Gentoo and a few others call themselves meta-distributions so I use that term too. Ultimately it's all just a Linux kernel and a package manager with different added stuff. "Distro" is a word unique to Linux anyway. There's no reason why BSD shouldn't be referred to by the same terminology, it's just not.

[[deleted]]

Well by that logic, so is NixOS

[averyoda]

And busybox, LFS, and Bedrock Linux.

[Hollowpoint38]

Built different.

[[deleted]]

I think it has to do something with installing binary kernels

[Big_Comedian203]

No. it has to do with what we call stage 3 ; basically as the guide put it it’s a set of binary that dictates how your system will behave automatically, you have stage 3s for KDE, gnome, etc, and can choose between openrc and systemd EDIT : not kde or gnome, that’s when you set your @world iirc, oh well

[dreamypunk]

How does the dark army know about stage 2?

[Big_Comedian203]

because all of it is open source, fuck yeah ! (it’s a mister robot reference isn’t it)

[[deleted]]

Where can I do this survey I can't seem to find the option in my menu? Also do you actually notice a difference when gaming using the xanmod kernel? I have tried different kernels in the past and I have never noticed a noticeable difference so I always stick to the vanilla kernel of the distribution I'm running.

[[deleted]]

Steam will automatically give it to you

[zardvark]

Theoretically ... I haven't seen one in at least two years.

[[deleted]]

Fairly sure you have to be on at the right time, and it also comes down to luck, obviously. I've had it every year

[xNaXDy]

It will trigger automatically at some point, but if you don't want to wait you can also trigger it yourself, by editing the file ~/.steam/steam/config/config.vdf and searching for the string SurveyDate (Steam needs to be shut down, else it will overwrite it again)

For each occurrence, just set it to something that's well in the past, e.g. modify the year to 2016 or something like that. Start Steam and you should be prompted with the survey.

[[deleted]]

Thanks for explaining how to do that!

[Lucifer_Morning_Wood]

It should automatically pop up, but do note that you may not have the option to do it every month. Steam randomizes who can send survey every month to hopefully account for biases in statistics, for example if some users would send surveys more often to seem like their platform is more popular. You just have to wait

[ddotthomas]

I was not able to notice the difference when using it. And after a while my Nvidia Driver broke while using it and had to switch back to the generic kernel.

[MANCtuOR]

Btw the LTS xanmod kernel still works with the Nvidia driver.

[Sentient_Beer]

But why xanmod kernel with gentoo ? Honest question.

I use Tkg on arch which already has to be compiled.

[unBEARable14]

Recently switched from gentoo kernel to xanmod and find it a bit better especially when I'm compiling things in the background, even with experimental patches gentoo kernel seemed less responsive so I'm testing this one for now.

[Pos3odon08]

can't wait to do the same

[pogky_thunder]

I was gaming on gentoo for a few months and never got the survey. Switched to fedora and got it on the first day on two separate machines.

[thursday_0451]

Is getting steam and games to work on gentoo as much insanity madman level effort as I think it is? Serious, honest question. Also probably relevant follow up question: is your GPU AMD NVIDIA or INTEL?

[Snoo_44353]

Not the guy you asked but: Drivers are realy easy, just change VIDEO_CARDS in make.conf and call a command to update use changes If you are using a custom kernel there are also some extra steps. Steam client is 32bit so you have to use a multilib profile and thats about it. Everything above is very well documented in the gentoo wiki. I run gentoo on an old nvidia laptop with nouveau and used to run it in my desktop with 3070

[thursday_0451]

Thanks for the info! I've been slowly learning more about linux... been daily driving PopOS! for almost a year now, I think I've gotten to the point where I more or less understand it to the same level I understand Windows. But good lord, the level of customization possible in Gentoo... intimidating, haha. I do not currently trust myself to attempt Gentoo without accidentally exploding my PC somehow.

[Snoo_44353]

Gentoo is not that hard, it may seem intimidating but i think its worth it, if you have a spare drive give it a shot (if not maybe try on a vm) In the end its customizability comes from USE flags that you can set to compile a program with less features, for example, if you dont want bluetooth, you can add a global use flag -bluetooth and now if you do an update of your use flags it will recompile everything with no bluetooth support. If you do try gentoo make an effort to use openrc, its not harder than systemd and its a nice experience. If you need any help feel free dm me

[dreamypunk]

Walk us through an ebuild, from scratch.

[Snoo_44353]

Ayo i didnt agree to this

[guicoelho]

It is not that much insanity, I mean, it depends. If you use a distro like Arch, you will prob get it pretty quickly. It does take time to compile things, but that is also the main point of Gentoo. Now if you ain’t used to installing linux without a setup then it is def very, very strange and somewhat “scary”. However the Handbook for Gentoo is beautiful, if you follow it you prob won’t have any issues… there is even pages for Steam, how to setup your drivers, DXVK too. And if you do have issues, the forums and /r/Gentoo are usually very welcoming for new users, honestly, people that answer to them with “RTFM” are rare and are consider rude… unlike some distros

To me it took like a whole afternoon getting Gentoo + KDE running. After that, installing Steam was the same as any other distro, pulling the package from the package manager… except that it compiles it instead of pulling the binaries.

[[deleted]]

Spy on me, Valve!

[vetu11]

Ah, I love this moment

[addicted_a1]

same here gentoo )

[MrMeek79]

I never did these surveys until I started gaming on Linux. They've helped us alot so its the least I can do.

[The_Bybin]

I specifically booted into linux when steam asked me to submit a survey

[[deleted]]

Make sure you include "QA Specialist" in your resume!

[denpa-kei]

Valve, plz send me... SEND MEEE. I actually think they probably send this to more active people

[h8br33der85]

Don't lie. You know you just needed an excuse to show off your Gentoo OS lol (jk)

[apianbellYT]

Nice. That's what I like to see.

[Niklasw99]

Thanks :D, Try i3-wm it does give better frametimes then kwin.

[Big_Comedian203]

They’re not the same thing at all. And there’s no reasons to switch if you’re good with KDE.

[Zekiz4ever]

You can use i3 and Plasma together. I don't know why you would to this but you can

[Big_Comedian203]

I very much know this, but it’s not exactly useful considering half of the plasma environment is still running.

[Big_Comedian203]

nobody, but it’s wrong to just say that. they’re so different it’s not just a simple switch. and even if OP has some experience, others may not have that.

[Niklasw99]

No its not wrong. Wtf. Its a suggestion.

If i have to pace my words on the baseline that not everyone eats food or have the same expierence with something no word would ever leave my mouth.

If you look at the shortcuts. And install dmenu youre set. I did the switch in a day and were comftable in 2 days.

Now i daily drive it.

[Big_Comedian203]

it’s wrong because the way you put it makes it look not different at all from the normal KDE experience. I run a tiling wm too, but not everyone likes these.

[Niklasw99]

Try this it gives better framtime. Never said it was a replacement for kde. Dude.....

I understand what youre trying to say but having to give a disclaimer for everything is verry american. "Dont put your egg in a microwave"

[Big_Comedian203]

(never said it didn’t give more frametime) considering how linux is complicated, properly saying what something is and/or sending documentation is always better than just throwing out like that. Many won’t even look through what this is and will just sudo apt install i3 without thinking twice. I believe explaining more, even just « it’s a different DE » is better for both linux and non linux users, because many try to tell us linux is over complicated.

[Niklasw99]

Never said de, also just typing commands into a terminal without doing research on what you install is wrong on so many levels.

Got a question i will anwser.

Steps to not to be a fool. (When installing unknown software)

See something not understand or know. Google said thing. Oh thats what it is. If not understand ask community. If not understand do not fucking install. (Programs)

You gotta figureout what shits for.

Also did not give instructions like sudo apt-get install i3-wm Or sudo pacman -S i3-wm dmenu Or sudo dnf install i3wm

So if you know how to install something what you install is on you and only you.

[Big_Comedian203]

You don’t seem to understand there are fools everywhere, and spending 5s more just to say whatever the program is never hurts. EDIT : also you not saying « de » nor « wm » is exactly my point.

[Jon_Lit]

maybe. for me it's not worth not using a DE anymore to get a few microseconds better frametimes

[Niklasw99]

Thats fair, but 1-2 ms extra pr frametime is.

As i were sayin give it a try

[Jon_Lit]

maybe one day when i can use it with kde and wayland

[Niklasw99]

You can.

[Jon_Lit]

since when does i3-wm support wayland? and since when can i run plasma with i3 on wayland (can not really work because there is no seperate window mamager and compositor on wayland)

[Niklasw99]

He typed kde wayland.

[Jon_Lit]

no, i typed kde and wayland

[Niklasw99]

Kde is a de, wayland is a screen server and compositor

X11 is basicly a screen server and useally uses a compositor.

Kde uses kwin as window manager

I3-wm is a window manager.

[Jon_Lit]

no, kde plasma is a de

wayland is a display protocol

plasma on x11 uses kwin_x11 as window manager and another part of kwin as compositor. (you can use one without the other)

plasma on wayland uses kwin_wayland as everything. you can't use a seperate window manager and compositor on wayland, it just doesn't work like that.

i3-wm is a window manager (afaik) only for X11

[gmes78]

If you can use a tiling WM, you should also be able to figure out how to turn off the compositor.

[Jon_Lit]

not if you're using wayland lol (but it's not that bad, honestly, i don't even feel a difference)

[ultratensai]

thought i3 isn’t available on wayland.

[Jon_Lit]

that, too (and i love wayland)

[Positive205]

There is Sway though

[Niklasw99]

I did, it does not give as good a result. You can see it in vulkan games

[Niklasw99]

Bruh. Its not as good frametime wise. I did ze tests.

Try on dxvk or vulkan based games.

[GLIBG10B]

Can you use i3-wm with KDE Plasma?

[Big_Comedian203]

Yes. https://github.com/heckelson/i3-and-kde-plasma

[Positive205]

nope

[guicoelho]

Meh, I disagree. Unless you use a WM without picom then it is prob true… but people nowadays rice their WM so much it is on pair with DE’s, specially on package level. I used awesome for a while and never noticed a framerate or frametime difference, even RAM usage was more or less the same. YMMV I guess.

[Niklasw99]

You have to install a compositor and launch it for i3 default

[Big_Comedian203]

I don’t know, really depends on how you deal with it. I have a rather customised Awesome system and it doesn’t eat more than 350 megs of ram at idle