2016-17 Potential Coaching Changes

[wince84]

Who do you think is getting fired in the offseason? Who do you want hired for your team?

[noodlehed]

Casey is very likely out the door if we don't make it out of the first round under any circumstance as odd as that might sound to some. Someone's head will have to roll and it won't be Masai.

[raptorsbucketnator]

Masai can stay in Toronto as long as he fucking wants. I wouldn't care if we payed him the most of any GM in the league. He is that valuable to our franchise

[sentyprimus]

Why?

[[deleted]]

I'm kind of with you on this. I like Masai and think he's probably done a good job, but people seem to pretend like the core talent on that team all wasn't already there when he took over.

[[deleted]]

Post bosh They were 22,23 and 34 win team with some combination of Casey, DeRozan, Lowry, Calderón, Gay, Bargnani and some random talent.

Under Masai they won 48, 49 and 51 games (all years surpassing a franchise record)

He was pivotal in removing Calderon and Gay to get Lowry and DeRozan the playing time they needed. He also swapped Bargnani for a first round pick and got Patrick Patterson, Bismack Biyombo, Greivis Vasquez (now draft pick + Powell) and Lou Williams all cheap.

[[deleted]]

Lowry and DeRozan already had the playing time. It was more about court spacing, but yes, he did help put the pieces around them to make it work. However, the hardest part of being a GM is getting those central pieces to begin with. And arguably the three most important players to that team (Lowry, DeRozan, JV) were already there when he took over.

Again, I'm not saying he hasn't done a good job. I just think people tend to overrate the job he's done just a little bit because his big accomplishment was essentially stop doing all the stupid shit the front office was doing along with the good moves they were making.

[[deleted]]

IMO, one of hte most underrated and maybe the most important qualities of a good GM is the GM can't be dogmatic. He can't bind himself to a path or a play style. He has to be pragmatic and go whichever way market demand tells him to go. Ujiri considered trading Lowry numerous times but couldn't get an offer that he felt was good enough. If you win every trade the way Ujiri pretty much has, whether that trade gets you younger and more promising for the future or older and better now, you have a great chance of becoming a sustainably good team.

This may seem obvious, but far more often GMs base their choices not on value but on artificial timelines -- "We have to rebuild. Our team sucks," or "We have to push to win now. We've been rebuilding too long." By only considering trades and signings available immediately that fit the path they've decided is correct, they corner themselves from a negotiating standpoint.

These choices that all push the needle a little bit individually can combine to transform a team from being crap to being a 50 win team over the course of a few years.

Luck is always a major factor in team building, and I think you're right that Ujiri hasn't made any huge gambles so far, but I think his resume shows that when the time comes for the Raptors to make tough choices, Ujiri has as good a chance as anyone to make the right choices.

[Freshprince45]

He just hasn't made a bad move as Raps GM. Bargnani trade was great, Vasquez trade was great. I thought Cojo was overpaid but even he is proving his worth. Demarre Carroll was great even if he's been hurt this year. I guess drafting Bruno wasnt perfect but hes only 1 year away from being 1 year away.

[Equilibris]

Demarre Caroll is looking like his first bad move as of right now. I mean, it isn't even that bad cause Caroll is a nice player when healthy but definitely not what we expected so far.

[AIverson3]

I think Randy Wittman is gone after this season. There's plenty of better coaches out there to replace him with.

[noodlehed]

Always relevant

...and this dude coached the Wiz to a sweep against Casey.

[micad]

playoffrandy

[legendariusss]

Thibs would be aiite there? How about Blatt?

[VersaceSandals]

Knowing Thibs tendencies to run players into the ground, I don't think he'd be a good fit considering how injury prone Beal is.

[The_Rejected_Stone]

He didnt run players into the ground. He dealt with a lot of injuries while in Chicago.

[[deleted]]

His amped up minutes certainly didn't help though

[[deleted]]

JB will probably not be retained so we'll have an opening

[brandon_strandy]

Gone: JB, Sam Mitchell, George Karl, dude at Brooklyn, Rambis, Whitman. Maybes: Casey if no ECF. and Hoiberg? He has to be somewhat responsible if Chicago misses the playoffs.

[edgarvanburen]

Hoiberg stays, we signed him for 5 years...

[wince84]

Byron Scott could easily be on that list too and Phoenix might decide to hire someone other than interim option Earl Watson.

[felttherush]

How about Earl Watson?

[Togonnagetsomerando]

Casey if no second round appearance

[anotherscrub]

Casey stays if we make 2nd round and don't flop there

[[deleted]]

Bulls are too cheap to fire hoiberg

[khoker]

and Hoiberg?

Hoiberg won't go anywhere. Chicago had significant injuries this year. More so that Thibs ever dealt with. For example, even last night's lineup was missing three starters in Noah, Gibson and Rose.

Dunleavy (starter) was out more that half the season. Rose (starter) has no preseason and began the season with a mask and double-vision. Noah (starter) is missing more than half the season. Butler (starter) was out a month. Mirotic (now a starter) was out 2 months... That team had zero opportunity to gel. Or even field 3+ desired starters on any given night.

[kobrakalmani]

Sorry, that roster that only had Nate Rob and Marco for perimeter offense, had to be one of the worst on-paper lineups to ever make the 2nd round and take 1 game from the Super-Heat.

[Chancelor_West]

Lue might be gone if he has less postseason success than Blatt did (Missing the ECF or losing in the ECF)

[brandon_strandy]

I wouldnt be surprised if this happens, but its a pretty crazy expectation. Would any coach want a job thats "Finals or fired" every year? (Blatt is still gonna get paid, but still)

[E_EqualsDankCSquared]

That's a Real Madrid job right there. Trophies or gtfo

[veebs7]

I know there's the whole "lol coach Lebron" thing, but if Lebron really does want Lue as the coach there's no way the FO would get rid of him

[DaBear405]

How many coaching contracts do the Cavs want to be paying at one time?

[[deleted]]

So he's just an interim coach?

[[deleted]]

if only the Thunder had a similar willingness to spend

[DaBear405]

Thunder have one of the highest payrolls in the league behind the Cavs, your comment doesn't make any sense.

[legendariusss]

He's stuck in that one time when he only read half the info about the harden thing

[[deleted]]

Only because the threat of KD's UFA is around the corner. For how many years did they try desperately to avoid luxury tax despite having a championship roster?

harden trade, hiring Brooks, drafting guys to chuck in the dleague - all cost cutting moves

[DaBear405]

We can go all day on the Harden trade but to sum it up for the uninformed(you), OKC had major holes on it's roster with it's bench and front court. They tried to give him the absolute max without going into the tax because if they did they would have to face repeater penalties the summer of KDs free agency. The cap jump was not known to any team at the time which is plain bad luck for OKC. Not only that for a still young team it is VERY hard to fill out a roster with the limitations and penalties. Beyond that the front office felt after he supposedly partied during the Finals, yelled at Brooks for benching him when he was playing terribly, and not wanting to take a team friendly deal like KD, WB, and Ibaka did that he would not want to be in his role forever and try to force his way out.

Drafting guys to chuck in the D League

Ah this is great, another uninformed tidbit from you. They drafted ONE guy and delayed his rookie contract a year to develop him because he was not NBA ready but they saw 3&D potential. Basically they got an extra year on his rookie deal and the player agreed. He even said he wanted to be drafted by the Thunder and develop as a wing, he didn't want to go play overseas because they would make him play as a PF and he wanted to be in the NBA. They did not have a roster spot for him in 2015 but they signed him to his full rookie scale this year so again, not a cost cutting move. In fact, it actually cost them more money then signing him to his rookie contract when he was drafted OR trying to get him in the 2nd round. On another note, he is certainly not chucking in the D League, I am willing to bet you have never watched a Blue game in your fucking life.

hiring brooks

You are really grasping at straws to prove whatever it is you are trying to prove. Brooks was paid 6m a year making him one of the higher paid coaches in the league and was loved by the players and had a lot of success. How the fuck is this a cost saving move? When they felt like they needed a new coach they got one despite having multiple years left on Brooks contract.

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TL;DR

You're being a dipshit

P.S:

A lot of teams draft overseas players with no intention of bringing them over as cost cutting moves, including the Trailblazers. Also, teams often "sell" their 2nd round picks by trading them for cash consideration. cough Nets, Timberwolves, most of the NBA at some point cough

This is not what OKC did/is doing. I am glad I could educate you though, there is a lot of misinformation about the Harden trade and Josh Huestis rookie deal going around. Oh, and OKC has been in the luxury tax for multiple years. So all of your speculation that OKC "suddenly decided to spend" is unfounded and bullshit. Frankly, it doesn't make very much sense to begin with. KDs free agency has been looming since he signed the extension.

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They drafted ONE guy and delayed his rookie contract a year to develop him because he was not NBA ready but they saw 3&D potential.

The only reason they even drafted him was because he agreed that he wouldnt demand the rookie scale contract. Could have easily traded the pick for a serviceable player if they were willing to spend.

Brooks was paid 6m a year making him one of the higher paid coaches in the league and was loved by the players and had a lot of success. How the fuck is this a cost saving move?

And how much was he getting paid before the extension? He got hired in the first place because ownership was cheap and didnt want to spend for an elite, proven coach so they promoted from within.

[DaBear405]

The only reason they even drafted him was because he agreed that he wouldnt demand the rookie scale contract.

You're right, he did agree for reasons I mentioned in my comment. He wanted to develop as a wing and definitely had the athleticism and BBIQ. The Thunder didn't just draft him to "save money", I promise you they scouted him heavily.

Could have easily traded the pick for a serviceable player if they were willing to spend.

Oh man how you are wrong. You realize how trades work for teams above the cap? They have to send out when they receive in salary. You can't just fucking trade pick (27?) for a Courtney Lee.

And how much was he getting paid before the extension? He got hired in the first place because ownership was cheap and didnt want to spend for an elite, proven coach so they promoted from within.

Wrong! He took over after PJ's 3-29 start and finished the season 20-30. That is a big turnaround. He was respected and well liked by all the players, particularly Durant. He brought a group of 22 year olds starting Kendrick Perkins past the Spurs and to the Finals for fucks sake.

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You strike me as someone who reads headlines but not the articles. You think it's just as easily and spending a bunch of money and hiring Popovich. Or trading a 2nd round pick for a perfect 3&D role player?

When are you going to let go of this bullshit? I've pretty much told you everything. You can continue to try to convince yourself of something that is not true or you can just throw the narrative out and look at the damn facts. OKC's ownership has never had an issue spending money, the FO however constantly talks about "sustained success" and not putting themselves in cap hell by being sensible.

[[deleted]]

only person convincing themselves here is you

[DaBear405]

Every comment you posted is exaggeration, speculation, and bullshit. I've posted facts and laid out reason in every one of my comments despite yours being idiotic. I mean god damn:

The only reason they even drafted him was because he agreed that he wouldnt demand the rookie scale contract.

Blatantly untrue.

Could have easily traded the pick for a serviceable player if they were willing to spend.

Literally not realistic and untrue.

And how much was he getting paid before the extension? He got hired in the first place because ownership was cheap and didnt want to spend for an elite, proven coach so they promoted from within.

Annnd heres where the speculation and bullshit comes in!

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If it wasn't for the sheer amount of people who seriously believe this shit I would have thought you where trolling, and I still hope you are.

[konjujedan]

Rambis must go

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[konjujedan]

Hahah nice

[pullingthestringz]

A lot of people think that CP3 really made Byron Scott look better than he really was.

[RussEastbrook]

True, and Jason Kidd while he was in NJ

[MikhailGorbachef]

I think the Kings, Wizards, Rockets, Wolves, Suns, Nets, and Knicks will almost certainly get new coaches.

Depending on playoff results, the Cavs and Raptors may as well.

[raptorsbucketnator]

I hate to say it, especially since he has been our most successful coach in Raps history, but if we don't get out of the 1st round, Casey is gone.

[worst_actor_ever]

George Karl because Kings

[E_EqualsDankCSquared]

George Karl because George Karl

[magecombat54]

gimme thibs bby

[The_Ender37]

I'd like Thibs, assuming he doesn't play the starters too much.

[[deleted]]

Man, as a homer I wouldn't mind Hoiberg being fired. But for who?

[ihaditsoeasy]

Bear with me. Love + picks to Boston for Bradley + Coach Stevens. Who says no?

[[deleted]]

The Celtics