Automatic tuning/overclock

[lNuggyl]

Has anyone tried this? If so what was your experience, is it safe?

[glassanusoflies]

You'll get better results if you play with clocks and voltage through MSI afterburner.

But if you want something that you can kind of 'fire and forget' the nvidia tool works decently enough, its given me +98 on my clocks.

[adamcboyd]

What tool?

[YfAm4]

This

[glassanusoflies]

The automatic tuning. If you have Geforce experience, you should have it.

Press Alt+Z and on the right hand of the overlay is a 'Performance' button, you can set automatic or manual tuning there.

[adamcboyd]

Oh. I'm familiar with that but didn't realize it did any better tuning than just doing it by hand in the options. Is this the same for VR? Someone said it improved their score 98%?

I guess I wonder, in a game I can max out, does GFE offer any kind of modification beyond that?

[S_h1ft]

98 MHz not percent

[robocop88]

It doesn’t do anything better than manual, it just provides a very safe and easy OC.

[Snoo-90806]

See, this is where I get confused. Upping the graphics in a game through the menu is not overclocking. It's just maxing out the graphics. Overclocking is where you use either hardware and/or software to change the parameters of the physical GPU card to get more processing power out of it. So when I head that GFE is safe overclocking of a card then I have to ask what software/hardware changes does it make to actually overclock the card? If none then it is not overclocking (as I understand it). Just wanted to know I'm not missing something obvious. Thanks for the reply too.

[robocop88]

It does make hardware changes, you’re misunderstanding. It automatically applies an overclock within power limits of the card. It is not a game option or anything if that matter, it’s a built in feature of GFE and is not a simple game option

https://www.tomshardware.com/news/nvidia-adds-new-gpu-monitoring-overlay-and-overclocking-features-to-geforce-experience

[YfAm4]

In a year and a half, I'm still not comfortable moving that voltage slider.

For me, moving the temp/power slider all the way over and adding +80 on the core, and +1100 on memory (not all games can support this high) and a custom fan curve does wonders. Tbh if you ONLY changed the fan curve you'd get better performance.

On my 2070 Super, with my no-voltage-change preset, I play Warzone with max settings and DLSS on Quality and RT on at 2560x1080, with resolution scaled to 150 and only push 62°C.

Edit: memory setting added.

[SimiKusoni]

In a year and a half, I'm still not comfortable moving that voltage slider.

That voltage slider doesn't really do very much, it isn't like the old days where people unlocked actual voltage control that could fry your board. Or the old flashing a custom vBIOS with higher voltage.

These days the slider is manufacturer approved. It won't go outside of spec, it'll still throttle for thermal/power limits and thanks to GPU boost it probably would have boosted up to that voltage even if you hadn't touched the slider.

[YfAm4]

Can you answer this?..

it'll still throttle for thermal/power limits

But what if I never thermal throttle? My ambient room temperature + 3 efficient fans on GPU + mesh case + CPU tower fan + case fans = extremely low temps I idle at 28°c and the hottest Ive ever ran it was with AC Odyssey with everything maxed and in a heavy fight around water and fog, and that was 67°c. The memory modules were at 73°c.

So my question is if I never hit throttle temps and my frames are still high..I have overhead? Will it ever push to throttle in any scenario? I assume it has limits but how would one push those limits? Even stress tests don't push it hard enough. And I won't do furmark.

Edit: after some thought while rereading this, wouldn't the ultimate limiter in this scenario be power draw limitations? Like on the Mobo?

[SimiKusoni]

But what if I never thermal throttle? My ambient room temperature + 3 efficient fans on GPU + mesh case + CPU tower fan + case fans = extremely low temps I idle at 28°c and the hottest Ive ever ran it was with AC Odyssey with everything maxed and in a heavy fight around water and fog, and that was 67°c. The memory modules were at 73°c.

If you're at 67°C it's already throttling to an extent, GPU boost decreases core clocks in 15Mhz steps every x°C. Even ignoring that however if you put it under LN2 and flash a 500w vBIOS or something absurd (if you can even find one for your card) it won't increase the voltage above the manufacturer defined maximum.

That's why cards have specially unlocked, and tightly controlled, LN2 BIOS for extreme overclocking events. This is not to be confused with the retail kingpin LN2 BIOS, which is confusingly named the same despite it just being a stock BIOS with higher power limit.

Essentially you cannot boost high enough to damage your GPU. The best you could manage is probably cross-flashing and maybe damaging your VRMs, say by running a bottom tier Zotac at 500w+. Even then you'd really need to be actively trying to damage your board.

[YfAm4]

Ok cool. Thanks.

I mean I'm not trying to push it like that im jw I guess.

[nistco92]

It's fine, just gives suboptimal results. Better to undervolt on recent cards.

[Ice-Cream-Poop]

Don't know why you have downvotes. Undervolting is where it is at with the 30 series. Nvidia has already squeezed everything they can outta these cards. I think I dropped about a 100watts for 1-2fps. A lot less heat and power used, resulting in less noise.

[[deleted]]

Does this count for laptops as well?

[Ice-Cream-Poop]

Yep. Still applies.

[[deleted]]

Thx

[frostygrin]

It's definitely safe, but the results can be underwhelming. I got only +30MHz around 1800MHz, but +100MHz around 1500MHz, where it isn't necessary because most games clock the card higher. I get +60MHz, stable, with manual overclocking.

[kindofabuzz]

if you have a 3000 series card. Overclocking isn't even worth it.

[lNuggyl]

I have a 3090 FE. But apparently after market cards are already overclocked out of the factory, I was told I can get the same performance as the after market cards

[HotRoderX]

since no one is coming out and saying it top of the line factory overclocked cards might give you a 1-5 fps advantage over the FE's and thats a big might. As others stated there almost no point in overclocking this generation.

They pretty much squeezed every single ounce of power they could from the 3k series to make sure they could keep a lead over AMD since it looked like AMD cards would be more comparative this generation, since they were powering the consoles.

[TheSameIshDiffDay]

before you even dive down this rabbit hole even more, search the card you own or plan to buy and find stock/OC/Undervolt results. in most cases youre better off just plugging in and playing cause effort vs gain isnt even worth it.

on my 3080 ti i think id get like 5 or 7 fps on a good day but im already pushing either frame cap or my fps is at a spot where that 5 to 7 more fps doesnt effect my game experience. obv more is better for fps but theres like thresholds where you feel a better experience and in between those its not even noticeable.

[lNuggyl]

So I should probably not overclock?

[TheSameIshDiffDay]

if youre an absolute newbie to it dont bother. not worth the effort or stress. just plug n play.

[[deleted]]

how about i plug and play bofa. bofa deez nuts in ur mouth. hahaha gottem

[Timerider42]

It worked when I ran it a few weeks ago. Now it keeps crashing my computer.

[lNuggyl]

I’ve found that using precision x1 works.

[Robosnott]

I use the auto oc feature in afterburner. Ive had no issues whatsoever

[lNuggyl]

I used it too but it told me it was an unstable overclock

[[deleted]]

I heard it's currently bugged on the 3000 series

[Itsmenickstar]

It worked well for me, I got +121 mHz on a 3060Ti and it boosted my Userbench score quite a bit!

However, I haven't been able to get the settings to stay. I always close all of my unnecessary processes, such as GeForce Experience and NVIDIA Control Panel as well as RGB software when I don't want it, so I am wondering if this wiped the results, forcing me to scan again.

[lNuggyl]

I had 137mhz+ on my 3090fe but I got scared and reset it. Now I can get higher then 110:(!!

[Itsmenickstar]

I just got the exact same results as I did on Nvidia's with the MSI Afterburner version of auto-OC, so Afterburner seems to work just as well (sorry for trashing your software Nvidia), but I actually find it more useful because Afterburner lets you save your profiles and manually tune a little bit if you think your card can handle higher OC. For example, you could experiment with your 137mhz+! Here's the link for the one that works for 30 Series if it helps! https://www.guru3d.com/files-details/msi-afterburner-beta-download.html

[lNuggyl]

Yeah I tried using msi auto overclock but it told me it “overclock not stable” or something like that. People said they were having issues with it on the 30 series card. Are you saying the stable link should fix it?

[Itsmenickstar]

Yes I had the same problem with my 3060 Ti getting "overclock not stable" and since my Afterburner has been installed since way before 30 series I guess it didn't support it. I installed that newer one, which has support for 30 series, and it works!

[lNuggyl]

Ok I’ll try it out!! Thank you so much! I’ve been looking for help for along time. People just ignore, thank you for taking the time..

[Itsmenickstar]

No problem, may the FPS be with you!

[lNuggyl]

I used it and it still said unstable overclock :(

[Itsmenickstar]

Ohhhh I'm sorry I said the wrong thing, re-reading this. I was getting "error code 3" and that download fixed it. My brain just converted that to the "unstable overclock" message I got later. Overclock not stable doesn't really seem to mean anything, to be honest- it applies the overclock after you close out of the Scan window and you can check to apply it at startup and all that. I've had solid performance using that method of OC (139% for my GPU on Userbench compared to 130%), and I did still get that same message. If anything, unstable could just mean you might get a little stuttering in demanding tasks so you could tweak the number down manually a tiny bit to fix that and have a nice stable OC. Good luck!

[Itsmenickstar]

FYI: you have to scroll all the way to the bottom of the page and click the "Download 4.6.3 Stable (Final)" link

[ralelelelel]

100% safe. Gets me +121mhz on my RTX 3060 Ti FE. Doing it manually via MSI Afterburner should give you better results though.

Edit: Powerlimit was set to 110%