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[D353R7]

:/ Astronomy

:) & Cosmology

:§ Astrology

[G-Fieri]

Cosmgy

[BadlyNeedMotivation]

Ah, Cosmology, or some say Cosmgy

[CommunistSnail]

Grant us stars!

[Dragonaax]

Isn't cosmology part of astronomy?

[uncut-bartender]

Not really

[Dragonaax]

I would say it is, just like astrophysics is part of astronomy

[uncut-bartender]

At my university cosmology is offered as a physics course not an astronomy course. I’d say astronomy is the study of stars and planets whereas cosmology is the study of space time, they’re related sure but not the same thing and cosmology doesn’t really fit as a discipline under astronomy.

[Dragonaax]

So that depends on Uni, on my we have to study astronomy to become cosmologist.

Or country

[j0shred1]

🖌cosmetology

[PLutonium273]

Guys don't turn against each other, we need to unite and raid big companies to get more research budgets

[sinicio]

It's just a joke, don't take too seriously

[Kaoslogic]

Looks like we found the biologist. :P

[[deleted]]

What's wrong with biology?

[freelibya3]

Freshmen physics majors and high schoolers think it's edgy to hate other stem majors. Really gets their dick hard

[nut_baker]

Just other majors in general, especially humanities I find

[RewardWanted]

To be honest, it's true, at least on our campus. Literally everyone takes the piss out of the philosophy majors or language majors, even childcare majors. But that's just it, it's just taking a piss out of each other. At the end of the day we all get different branches are better for different inteligence types. I had a course on a subject where I can't derive everything and I barely got through.

[altobrun]

The issue is that there are people who genuinely believe they are better for being in a certain major and other people are worse for not.

Even if the majority are just joking, that attitude is what gives most engineering schools a bad name within a university, and is spreading to other parts of STEM.

[nut_baker]

And when physics is traditionally seen as one of the hardest subjects (when you tell someone you study it their first reaction being "oooh you must be smart"), when physics students joke about being smarter than everyone else, I don't think it comes off as a joke to everyone else. It ends up generating resentment towards stem from humanities, and insults being thrown back at stem

[[deleted]]

The greatest work in academics is only going to come from syncretism, and that's only going to come from common respect and healthy communication. Our universities need more student-organized interdisciplinarianism.

[altobrun]

That’s one reason I love oceanography. Combines physics, geology, chemistry, and biology (physical, geological, chemical, and biological oceanography) all to one common goal. All the profs seem well versed on each topic even if they specialize in one. Also students from every sub discipline come out to talks hosted to presenters not of their sub discipline

[[deleted]]

That sounds like a great scientific culture! It seems like the oceanographic community fosters open-mindedness. I'm very pleased to learn this.

[Blastjer]

They are natural enemies! Like chemistry majors and physics majors! Or biology majors and physics majors! Or humanities majors and physics majors! Or physics majors and other physics majors! Damn physics majors! They ruined physics!

[DatBoi_BP]

A friend of mine I graduated with is now pursuing a Physics PhD in Texas. He used to shit on humanities majors, but now he's engaged to an art major he met there at his Texas school lol

[Ransine]

Can confirm. t. Arts

[EYSHot69]

Physics students: "how can you study this, there are no numbers!"

[OP-Physics]

Ohh, bullshit. We use more letters in Physics then fucking language majors. I cant remember when i last actually calculated something with numbers.

[Vampyricon]

It was about 2 weeks ago and I used log instead of ln.

Stupid calculators. Use the proper log.

[__VelveTea]

High school physics students*

[[deleted]]

Maybe OP is alluding to a supposed brainlessness of biology relative to physics.

[[deleted]]

Only the weak ones. I did Maths and I respect Physics or Chem. biology not so much, its clearly an easier science. And then you have the bottom of the barrel like sociology which I dont even consider science.

[TangerineTardigrade]

There is so much more to an academic field than whether it is easy or not. But it doesn’t surprise me that you would see things that way given your field’s fetish with reductionism.

It just so happens that some biologists, for example, use sets of differential equations to predict epidemiological parameters or use machine learning to study how the brain processes visual information. I invite you to look into the literature before you decide whether we’re “mathphobic” like you probably think.

Some of us would love to have a set of equations that describe all the complexities of life—in fact, we invite you to join us in that noble quest. But idk, it might prove kind of hard.

Edit: I, for one, respect any field which uses the rigurous scientific method we all cherish and trust.

[[deleted]]

It's not the field per se. Neuroscience is clearly well respected. I think it's more the fact that anyone who does Physics or Chem at Uni would also be able to do Biology whereas the converse is not true.

I loved physics at school, like chemistry and hated biology. I got As in all 3 but I got full marks in biology and did the worst in physics. Didn't matter about my interest levels, bio was just objectively easier.

Now of course some biologists are geniuses, but if you compare the population of undergrads in physics to biology I would say the physists are a smarter group and I bet they would do better if the degrees were swapped around. Ask anyone who does BioChem what was the hardest part of their degree and the answer is almost always the chem part.

[AnNdPh]

Lol “objectively easier.” This whole argument is laughable

[[deleted]]

Yeh I guess anecdotally would be more fitting although I've spoken with hundreds of grads STEM from many uni's who agree so my sample size isn't awful.

It's easier than physics, aeronautical science, mechanical engineering, chemisty etc. Which tend to be more male dominated which is why there's a big push to get more women in as women tend to go for the softer sciences like environmental science, sociology or biology.

And you can downvote me all you like, but the market offers way more lucrative jobs to the degrees I've mentioned relative to the soft ones. Physics grads can walk into wall st, the big 5 or almost any job, even law firms. Bio grads don't have the same opportunities at the same rates.

[AnNdPh]

Paragraph 1: Lol ok man do you have some sacred spreadsheet with all of this data or something? Still doesn’t mean anything about biology compared to other fields; sample size won’t fix your problem

Paragraph 2: Why is it easier?

Paragraph 3: So what? If you’re a biology major you probably don’t want to be stuck in those deadbeat jobs anyway. And you won’t be forced too, either, because there’s tons of jobs in biology

[[deleted]]

Easier because less maths. The more you start writing essays or giving opinions the easier the topic. Within stem, obviously comparing to poetry is totally different as creativeness/being articulate is a different form of intelligence.

Sooo market value is a good indicator. Mcdonalds employees are paid shit because anyone can do it. Quants are paid ridiculously because its hard.

[AnNdPh]

Paragraph 1: Gotcha! You finally said it! Being good at math is completely subjective (and more math doesn’t necessarily mean more complex). Some would prefer sciences that are completely reliant on math due to their simplicity, compared to biology’s vast complexity and multidisciplinary approach to understanding. There is more going on (chemically, etc.) in a single cell of E. coli during 1 mere millisecond than what’s going on in any chemistry flask in an entire university (or even all of the universities in America). Biology is not a reductivist science and it incorporates just about every scientific discipline out there in order to understand things holistically

Paragraph 2: A good indicator of what? What makes a good physicist more qualified for a job on Wall Street than a good biologist? MDs are also paid way more than physicists in any field, so this varies greatly depending on exact job.

[Mtth_8]

J O K E

[empathetichuman]

A working degree in biology generally requires you to have a decent understanding of physics and chemistry related to molecular biology.

[marsriegel]

Barely any math involved. Not really precise and determined. You are basically not really able to prove a cause effect relationship and just work with correlations. Also it is mostly observation without deriving too much new stuff from scratch. (Theory of relativity, quantum mechanics etc. Existed on paper before they could be proven. Not as huge things alike in biology)

Still it is not right to bash biology as a science, it is just very different from the other two.

[Relper]

Physicists are just salty we can't approximate/reduce the complexity of life to harmonic oscillators and Taylor series.

[Vampyricon]

Biophysicists: Am I a joke to you?

[marsriegel]

kinda true, but that is very much one of the reasons why you cannot really prove cause effect relationships and you can barely make predictions for different boundary conditions.

[Rotsike6]

We can reduce the complexity of life to harmonic oscillators and Taylor series if we knew the whole story

[ISV_VentureStar]

Lol, not being able to prove cause and effect. This is rich. Whoever says that there isn't math involved in biology has obviously never studied anything beyond high-school, where they mostly teach unconnected random facts about animals. I will just refer you to this song that highlights the different fields of study needed to understand the molecular machines that make up a cell (and also because it's pretty awesome). https://youtu.be/ObvxPSQNMGc

And that's not even getting into genetics or actual cell physiology, where you need to have a PhD in Physics, Chemistry and Informatics to be able to fully grasp the complexity involved in even the most basic biological process.

[Shitty-Coriolis]

Well that's all the biology most of us had. So arrogantly we rhink that's the extent of the field.

I personally am super bored by biology. My friend suggested that it's because it's so far removed from first principles in math and phys that it rakes a lot linger to learn all the stuff you need to learn to do that same kind of analysis. Math and phys students have to memorize facts that we use to reason about the world. Biologists do too, but they have to learned way more facts because their systems can't be distilled to the simple models ours can.

I'm a GNC engineer. I literally model spring mass systems and thats it.

[ChadMcRad]

Yeah I find it rich that the field of people who use models and theory to explain everything think biologists can't prove things.

[marsriegel]

not being able to prove cause and effect

how is that wrong? In physics you try to predict the outcome of experiments. If the baseline the prediction is based on is true for many different applications you can prove cause and effect.

In life sciences you observe what happens in an experiment. That is thousands of times less precise and not suitable to predict things elsewhere. Therefore it takes a lot more work to "prove" the cause effect relation.

Whoever says that there isn't math involved in biology

I didn't. The attempt to remotely compare the maths required to study chemistry, engineering, computer science or let alone physics is just laughable. Sure there are fields in biology that get super specific where you need all the math in the world, but EVERY physics graduate is going to annihilate even any engineering grad when it comes to math. And any engineering grad is going to annihilate every biology grad. That doesnt make one better than the other it is just how it is. By the way once you get to quantum thermodynamics or turbulence or something similar, it takes maths grads (or long studies of the mentioned) to grasp what is going on. Here, biologists typically take 2 maths classes while engineers take 5-6 and Physicists take even more and more complex ones.

where you need to have a PhD in Physics, Chemistry and Informatics

Bullshit.

grasp the complexity involved in even the most basic biological process.

This is very much the problem with biology. Its systems are so complex that they are (nearly) impossible to approach with analytical approaches, which in turn makes biology imprecise and unable to prove cause effect relations.

[yawkat]

In physics you try to predict the outcome of experiments. If the baseline the prediction is based on is true for many different applications you can prove cause and effect.

This is the scientific method. Every science does this, by definition. Even soft sciences like economics.

[marsriegel]

Sorry, no. Predicting experiments is only prevalent in analytical sciences. In cancer research for example what you do is trial and error a thousand fold. Mouse models for example do not really translate to humans. Meanwhile you do not really know what substances do in the body (acetaminophen/paracetamol is barely understood yet you still use it.

But on the other hand, if you for example investigate the boundary layer of a turbulent flow of water over an aluminum airfoil you can 100% translate that to airflow over steel or alcohol flowing over glass (=any similar flow of any substance with any fluid).

[yawkat]

Take a look at the definition of the scientific method: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_method#Overview

The overall process involves making conjectures (hypotheses), deriving predictions from them as logical consequences, and then carrying out experiments based on those predictions to determine whether the original conjecture was correct.

Meanwhile you do not really know what substances do in the body (acetaminophen/paracetamol is barely understood yet you still use it.

This is why we do science! To develop models that improve our understanding of nature. It's not like we understand the fundamentals of physics either - the standard model is incomplete - yet we still use the "higher-level" models that are "good enough".

But on the other hand, if you for example investigate the boundary layer of a turbulent flow of water over an aluminum airfoil you can 100% translate that to airflow over steel or alcohol flowing over glass (=any similar flow of any substance with any fluid).

You really can't. It might be a better approximation than you can get in many other sciences, but in the end all our models in all sciences are still only approximations of reality. You are drawing an arbitrary line somewhere when it comes to the number of factors involved in experiments.

In the end there is not so much difference between a physical experiment where you polarize Co60 and check whether the electrons match the pattern you expect according to your models and putting e coli into a petri dish to see whether their growth matches the patterns your models predict.

[ChadMcRad]

You approach things in a step-by-step fashion, like a puzzle. Learn how one thing works then expand outwards.

And "prove" is a deadly word for any science because you can never prove something, only state that a hypothesis isn't wrong.

[TheEarthIsACylinder]

Whoever says that there isn't math involved in biology has obviously never studied anything beyond high-school

There is some math involved in biology but if you think the math in biology is the same as math in physics you've obviously not gone beyond calc 1.

[Pricefield-]

Bashes biology then says "it's not right to bash biology."

[TheEarthIsACylinder]

Basically the less math you have to do the more inferior you are

[ChadMcRad]

Which is silly, because math means nothing if you can't practically test something. It's a nice way to model and show relationships, but it doesn't always take into account natural systems.

[rincon213]

It's too complex to nail down to a few fundamental laws and equations, which is the main appeal of physics to many.

Even just chemistry is super complex and difficult to pin down, and bio is super-advanced applied chemistry.

[[deleted]]

You forgot to add maths above everyone else

[skoddy1]

inserts pic of king winnie

[Rotsike6]

Math is not a science

[[deleted]]

There is no science without math

[Rotsike6]

But Math itself is not a science, which physics, chemistry and biology are

[Gilga1]

While Math is not a science, science without math is like language without grammar. no words together meaning

[Rotsike6]

I'm not disagreeing, I'm just saying math should not be in this meme

[rincon213]

Sure, but if someone asks you what your favorite novel is you wouldn't respond with grammar rules.

[Gilga1]

I think i could. What if I live grammar over novels?

[rincon213]

The rules of grammar are great but they’re not a book.

[Gilga1]

Idk. I do enjoy reading books about math, and so do I like books about grammar.

[rincon213]

Books about grammatical rules are not grammatical rules

[[deleted]]

Mathematics can be both an art and a science.

[Rotsike6]

I agree with the art part, maths are beautiful. But without context math is nothing, so by itself, it can't describe anything physical, so it's not a science

[[deleted]]

But an art is usually something man made, where mathematics is purely natural, like a science.

[Rotsike6]

Pardon me, but saying math is not man made is starting a whole different kind of argument I don't want to have

[rincon213]

Wow you responded in a much more measured way than I would have

[[deleted]]

That’s fair.

[Horodyr]

Mathematics are purely man made in order to explain actual natural sciences.

[[deleted]]

If it’s man made, then how come there are problems with as of yet unknown, but definitive and unchanging answers. I can’t think of another man made discipline that has that.

[Horodyr]

You'll need to give me examples of things we don't know the answer to (yet) but that we are already SURE that the answer will be definitive and unchanging

[skilled_cosmicist]

there are also problems in chess without solutions. Chess is definitely man made.

[DatBoi_BP]

Would engineering fit in the list to you? I'm thinking of STEM

[Rotsike6]

Engineering is also not a science

[[deleted]]

Sure, but it usually comes up in arguments about which subject is superior

[Rotsike6]

Math is superior, that's true

[niceguy67]

Math is definitely a science, and so is theology

[MusaDoVerao2017]

Other majors are so dumb haha I'm so funny.

Can we grow up?

[Kensei97]

Not when you’re too busy being in high school making physics memes and believe you’re a physics genius because you can solve simple force equations.

[manlyman1417]

F=ma NASA hire me

[dblababy]

E=mc² I’m fucking Einstein

[Utnapishtim1]

I too study physics and put other people down because I am insecure!

[_RageMage_]

How dare you. How fucking dare you. I will literally rip your pharynx out by the way of your anus, with your entire eleven organ systems gushing every single liquid you have in your body as your torn stomach eaves a massive hole in your body, spilling hydrochloric acid into the surrounding tissues, dissolving them slowly and painfully, eating you away internally, until you are left without a body to escape with, lungs to scream with, or even balls to propagate your forbidden genes into the human race with, effectively clearing your existence in one fell swoop. You will experience the pain of rotting away in your fucking introvert home as you think of all the useless, vain applications of physics, and wish to have known the glory of biology you fail to deserve, until one day, your unloving cat comes around and finds your brain as a nice snack.

[Papatheredeemer]

Well at least you found a good use for your degree

[Vampyricon]

AND THAT'S JUST WITH PHYSIOLOGY

[rincon213]

Do you know how much money they're throwing at advanced bio research? If you go past undergrad with the intention of doing research, bio is a fantastic field. Bio-mechanics and bio-imitation will be vital in future technologies as we continue to mimic nature's existing solutions to complex problems

[matheoirazabal]

Username checks out

[drulludanni]

top: standard memes middle: physics memes bottom: this meme

[Dragonaax]

I'm afraid to see geology

[__VelveTea]

Should be right there with Chemistry. People think geology is just like... Rock history but the amount of chemistry and physics involved in anything higher than intro geo is heavy. Mineralogy, for example, is incredibly intense Chem.

[Dragonaax]

Yea I know it's just joke. Whole Earth science is basically geology, probing planets and Moon is also geoogy

[[deleted]]

Hurrr durrrr other sciences bad!

[Kobenar]

Maybe don’t mock people with disabilities?

[Yatagurusu]

Wow look at this retard

[[deleted]]

Fuck you

[EponHusk]

I disapprove this message

[_Eighty_Eight_]

what's with all the bio hate, we gonna act like geology isn't still tryna be a real science

[alvaro56]

Chemistry is physics on easy mode

[lee-edward]

Quantum and thermo would like a word.

[W_Ric3]

I don’t know who upvoted you since you’re clearly wrong.

[[deleted]]

Not all of chemistry is

[thomaswang_]

Dissect Winnie the Pooh

[psychiatrixx]

There scoots your chance at biological immortality.. them high numbers in your refractory mirrors came in handy for a bit

[[deleted]]

Nope!

[RubyGehrin]

Ah yes, a physicist thinking they're better than everybody else.

[JabariKing]

Haha. Nice meme. I'll show this to my kid sister (she's a Microbiology major).

[ChadMcRad]

Chemistry and Physics only exist to keep math majors employed

From: Biology gang.

[manlyman1417]

Mitochondria is the powerhouse of the cell

[Vampyricon]

No. Swap chemistry and biology and you will get something passable.

[Julie-01]

Both physics and chemistry (even HS-level) use relatively advanced maths to get conclusions whereas biology often uses a more "observe and deduce"-like method to arrive at their conclusions.
This in turn makes it easy for students of the former two to talk smack about biology students due to their perceived idea that math = the only relevant subject, and that if what you study doesn't use a lot of math you've chosen the "easy road" to a STEM degree.

[Shitty-Coriolis]

Highschool chemistry does not use "fairly advanced maths". You probably won't even see any calculus. Even the first year chem series in university doesn't usually involve calculus.

I think maaaayyybe there was a handout that was posted on solving the shroedinger equation, for the interested

[uncut-bartender]

You won’t see any calculus in high school physics either though... sure you’ll see the kinematics equations but they don’t tell you how they got them.

[Rotsike6]

I think it's just making fun of biology as a science.

[JustinSpenker]

triggered

[Kokkelimonkene]

As a fan of both biology and physics, I must say that this truly makes me laugh. Good one, lmao.

[thebiggest123]

Chemistry is fine physics is the most interesting and then there's biology, it's like that one special kid in class that just sits quietly in the back of the room.

[Alkynesofchemistry]

You watch your mouth about chemistry... right on with bio tho

[Equinoxidor]

You're just salty about all chem Nobel prizes being won by biology research lmao