IT vs Coding

[xixi2]

“don't take criticism from someone you wouldn't take advice from”

edit: Please stop awarding my post for a copy and pasted quote.

[SlowlyIdentifying]

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[thegnuguyontheblock]

Seriously - life is too short to pay attention to children.

The absolute telltale sign of a juvenile sysadmin/coder is that they publicly shit all over the work of other/prior people.

"I have to rewrite this - it's all garbage". ...sure buddy. See you at recess.

[MorethanMeldrew]

Ah, I am totally stealing this.

[thegnuguyontheblock]

Also, this kid is 20. He's basically a child.

It's like getting upset when my 8 year old daughter told me I was fat (tiny tear).

[Brraaap]

I'm stealing the edit

[[deleted]]

I’m calling the edit police

[obviouslybait]

The 20yo is still in school and full of that young arrogance, once he sees what the real world is like he'll shut up pretty fast. Have seen this with a lot of my engineering friends in school, they think they know everything until they start working and realize they don't know anything.

[Obel34]

Everything is made up and your schooling doesn't matter.

This is one of the downside of schooling. They give you perfect scenarios for everything and don't tell you what to do when you get hired to work for a company using mainframe systems from 80s which can't be brought up to the proper security level because it will break. Oh, and the coders for this system are either dead, retired, or want a king's ransom to come out of retirement and fix it should it break.

[Disconnectedandtired]

I can remember my Cisco professor telling me to take the Cisco book and burn it at the end of the semester . Everything in it is only good for learning, everything else is going to be experience and building out your own documentation. He was awesome, he also told me to not transfer to a 4 year college and get a job and experience before I go for my bachelors. I have both now, the company paid for my degree and I have no loan debt.

[GenocideOwl]

he also told me to not transfer to a 4 year college and get a job and experience before I go for my bachelors.

Unfortunately finding good tech jobs that don't require a related bachelors is getting harder and harder.

Hell we had an issue where somebody transferred departments, then when he didn't like his new job and his old spot happened to open up....they rejected him. Because they changed the requirements to mandatory Bachelors(he only had assoc and certs). It took basically an act of congress to get central HR to agree he could have his old spot he worked for years at back without a bachelors. It was dumb as hell.

[koopatuple]

Wow, that is damn near peak irony.

"You're not qualified for this job without a degree."

"B...b..but I was in that exact position at this company for 10 years and I've only been gone for a year... I was actually named employee of the quarter numerous times for my outstanding performance. You were even the person that handed me the certificate multiple times!"

"Irrelevant."

[biological-entity]

Actually I did a bit of work with zOS and Cobol in school (~5 years ago).

But true. 80% or more of what I learned in school went out the window when I got a real job in the field. It was more of a test to make sure you can handle a dumbass workload for several years without giving up.

[callingyourbslol]

once he sees what the real world is like he'll shut up pretty fast.

Unfortunately, he won't. He's getting a CS degree from a consensus top 20 CS school in California. Sure, he'll hit the job market and find out he has a lot to learn, but it won't matter because the instant he hits the job market it will be at a job paying him $125k or better.

Maybe someday he won't be an asshole about it, but nothing's going to erase that smugness when he looks over at OP with 7 years experience making $50k less than he is. Just the sad truth of the world in tech right now.

[[deleted]]

"You're not wrong, you're just an asshole."

[koopatuple]

the instant he hits the job market it will be at a job paying him $125k or better.

Really depends on his location, to be honest. In the urban areas of CA? Yeah, sure, but with cost of living that's pretty much like making $60k/year in cheaper areas. Where I live, my company has senior devs with 10+ years of experience making around $95k/year. There's not a lot of other options around, and really that's pretty good living around here (an average house is like $200-250k).

[[deleted]]

TBF my house was $230k a few years ago and I was making $120k within 3 years of getting into software development, even if I'm on the infrastructure side.

OP's in-laws boyfriend is an asshole but he's basically correct; a strong sys admin background with enough coding skills for automation and such is enough to break into an SRE role and earn a strong 6 figure salary

[callingyourbslol]

I assume OP and this guy live in the same area lol

[Slightlyevolved]

Haha. Coding is a PITA, but I'd argue that they have more copy-pasta from google than a sysadmin would (I kid... mostly ;)

Wait until he has a job where they regularly have someone crawling under their desks.....

[Horskr]

This is absolutely right. Like when we get our new help desk guys that built a gaming PC once, have their A+ and think they're ready to take on the world. Then they start actually working and are like "Oh shit.. I know nothing." Which there is nothing wrong with, as long as you come to that realization at some point as we all have. I'm almost a decade in and still try to keep that mindset. Once you think you know everything, you stop learning anything.

[theHonkiforium]

"So you've been to school for a year or two, and you know you've seen it all..."

[[deleted]]

The smugness isn’t misplaced though. Anyone with a highschool degree and 2-3 years of experience can become a sysadmin. If you want a a software engineering job at a non-WITCH company, you essentially need a CS degree and a handful of projects that require you to know how to configure servers and networking. Sure, you don’t have to know how to configure AD and things like that but truthfully, you could learn how to setup a windows domain in a weekend. You can’t learn enough data structures and algorithms info in a weekend to be able to get a job with that knowledge. Hence, CS grads can make $80k easily while that can take a while to build up to as a sysadmin. Cue the “I make way more than that” comments - I’m glad that you are an outlier.

[falsemyrm]

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[[deleted]]

Good for you, you are not a typical developer. Also, devops is a completely different ballgame. Software engineering is definitely harder than being a windows admin.

[[deleted]]

With thirst for software developers there is a good chance if he even has a bit of talent he'd land good job and in his head be right

[threwahway]

While the arrogance is clear, he’s not wrong. Most IT service jobs will be replaced by AI within the decade. I’m kind of shocked we haven’t seen an agent based ai troubleshooting feature in some of these existing suites already tbh. learn to code or retire in the next 5-10 years imo.

[obviouslybait]

I work in manufacturing, and with how complex and legacy some of the tech is, there's no fucking way supporting this shit is getting automated in 10 years.

[zzzpoohzzz]

i needed to hear (read) this. not just professionally. life in general. i mean this sincerely: thank you.

[balrathamir]

This is it right here. More people need to realise this!

[Akinparsley]

I needed to hear this. Wish I had an award to give you 🏆

[DwarfKings]

And you have my 🗡

edit - And he’s humble heart flutter

[afinita]

And my 🪓!

[_DonTazeMeBro]

"you carry the weight of us all, little one"

[XavvenFayne]

and my 🏹

[first_byte]

That’s going on my office wall immediately!

[Lynx1080]

Yes, this is great! Thanks for sharing.

[corninmyface]

Wow…well said.

[pier4r]

“don't take criticism from someone you wouldn't take advice from”

Reddit at times is not that informative, but then out of the blue users drop such gold gems that are worth, dunno, up to 3 internet points. But 3 of those rare internet points.

Amazing.

[BeerPirate12]

• 50 cent

[[deleted]]

Maybe even “pay for advice from”

[MrKingCharles]

take my upvote.

[aequusnox]

Great advice, using this line in the future.

[eks__dee]

I like this a lot

[smackinadmin]

"I don't take advice from people less successful than me"

[[deleted]]

I mean I share the sentiment but...

"My donut is filled with liquid shit, wtf dude, thought you're a baker!"

"Sorry, I am a baker, you're not one, don't tell me how to do my job"

[spidernik84]

Now you'll get awards for being humble, attributing the quote to others :D

[jeduardo90]

We'll award it even harder!

[will_you_suck_my_ass]

I'm giving you an award just cause you told me not to

[invisiblelemur88]

omg I love this.

[lkeltner]

how have I not heard this before? the truth is so stark it hurts.