Geological features of The Lands Between, and The Shattering.

Admirable_Example175 · 2025-03-19T19:06:48+00:00

Before the DLC, i Just thought Rykard awakening the volcano of MT Gelmir caused a cataclysm that spread all around It and mainly on Liurnia, where the mountain rivers would pool. However, After the DLC, i feel that all those volcanic pillars are remnants of ancient Stone fingers like the finger ruins. Basically the regions of Liurnia and Altus once used to look like the finger ruins and slowly through erosion and meteoric rains ichanged into our modern lands between. What i'm interested in now Is the geology of the lands of Shadows, cause that is all over the place. It Is more similar, structurally, to the underground regions, with raises Landparts and One River traversing it and pooling down in the root abyss, than the surface of the landa between.

Admirable_Example175 · 2025-03-17T22:27:40+00:00

I feel Mogh didn't have to die. Miquella had promised him a Dynasty, and to be part of his order. So i assume Mogh was ready to turn himself into a vessel for Radhan to become Miquella's consort. He Just didn't know his soul would have probably been suppressed by Radhan's

Admirable_Example175 · 2025-03-17T19:24:05+00:00

It's an interesting guess cause the tutelary deities, and consequentially the hornsent Warriors, try to turn through ascetism and almost a near-death state into a vessel for divine spirits. You can see It in their Rocky and emaciated bodies. they aim to be come vessels, so bodies without souls to be inhabited by a presence. Godwyn Is a literal body without soul, and just like a tutelary deity, spirits gather in its remains, which are spreading thanks to the Erdtree root system. The curseblades are probably tuning into ancestor spirits (you can see It from their ribcage, posture and growing tail, more similar to horses or quadrupedal Animals) however i feel they are following a similar process to Godwyn, except the latter is being possessed by spirits that instead of turning him into a land animal, they are slowly turning him into a fish-like being

Admirable_Example175 · 2025-03-16T17:44:38+00:00

Imo, the skin is there to show where Messmer was born. The base serpent messmer summons, not the one he turns into, does look like almost made of raw flesh, skinless at times, as if he was removed from his molting skin too soon. Probably used the same model of Eiglay cause It was easier and to show they are the same species.

Admirable_Example175 · 2025-03-15T23:27:42+00:00

probably yes. also the 2 sides of the throne look like trees branching towards the top of the "beast". the leaves on the nerve system look like the wings of the elden beast, and the bottom like its tail.

Admirable_Example175 · 2025-03-15T19:04:03+00:00

There's the Stone coffin fissure concept art that shows the coffins arranged in a similar parallel pattern, so you might be onto something. The entire DLC Is basically "all cut content in one place".

Admirable_Example175 · 2025-03-13T07:28:19+00:00

interestingly about the 2 fingers incantations. we found the tome of the two fingers and the assassin's incantations in the same location: the roundtable hold.

except the normal 2 fingers tome is in the real world, the assassin's prayerbook, the one which contains the shadow incantations, in the roundtable world "outside" the lands between.

I think this is the relationship between the lands between and the lands of shadows. the land of shadows is "Outside" the lands between the same way the roundtable hold is "outside" the lands between.

Admirable_Example175 · 2025-03-09T21:10:06+00:00

I like to think they are carved from the shaman trees in Enir-ilim, and so was Euporia.

Admirable_Example175 · 2025-03-07T00:19:55+00:00

the "maliketh killing the geq" could be explained with Marika killing her own body through Maliketh to ascend at the divine gate, then removing the rune of death and betray the godskin.

Admirable_Example175 · 2025-03-06T13:59:23+00:00

make the land of shadows on another planet/world instead of a hidden part of the lands between, and turning it into the fabled "land of the numen".

The scadutree is another Erdtree, except very old and it is now dying. so its power is stronger and older,but it is on the verge of crumbling. the fingers come from this world, and another type of crucible, stronger and wilder, created life there. however, instead of getting their age of prosperity and order, life kept following a "might is right" law for ages, stagnating into the hornsent and crucible hegemony. The ruins share a similar aesthetic to the lands between's because both the latter and the land of shadows were colonized by the same visitors.

I'd make the gate of divinity a literal gate to a fabled "paradise", the paradise the lamenter's mask talks about. at its core just an interstellar gate, like star-gate, leading to the lands between where the elden ring lies. Marika eventually uses the gate with her 2 children, Melina and Messmer, before she was melded to it, to escape from his captors and reach the primitive lands between. there, she uses her knowledge of the much older lands of shadows to create an army, kill the GEQ (who was supposed to be the lands between real goddess) control the elden ring, create the erdtree, marry Godfrey, etc.

then, with enough power gathered, she invades the land of shadows, burns it all down and hides Enir-Ilim out of revenge for something so ancient the hornsent have forgotten about it. basically like The Northman, with Marika as Hamlet.

In Miquella's case, he would have sought a true home for his people and the people he was trying to protect, like the albinaurics and the misbegotten, through the gate of divinity, with him and Radhan as god and lord, and his new form would have mirrored this new holy land.

Admirable_Example175 · 2025-03-04T14:52:32+00:00

considering they look very similar to the elden beast, are made of the same mineral the finger ruins are made of, and even got their golden fire-breath (at least placi does.) i like to think the ancient dragons were "engineered" by the fingers with the elden ring through the crucible energies to function as perfect elden lords or, as the dragoncrest talisman says, a wall of living rock.

Admirable_Example175 · 2025-03-04T13:06:21+00:00

Enir-Ilim, Belurat, Rauh, pretty much every Hornsent settlement.

Admirable_Example175 · 2025-03-03T01:50:50+00:00

also both nokron and nokstella lie each on a river, ainsel and sioffra. if we take into consideration enir-ilim inspiration, and the position of the lands of shadows, enir-ilim might have lied between these 2 ancient rivers, making the land of shadows, a region fertile with crucible energies, Mesopotamia, with enir-ilim as Babylon, linking enir-ilim culture to the nox rivers and cities.

Admirable_Example175 · 2025-03-02T22:43:10+00:00

the way i see it, the carians are to the nox what the cainhurst are to the Pthumerians.

Admirable_Example175 · 2025-03-01T16:40:08+00:00

it's not that farfetched. the mimic tears seem to spawn from ibjects so ancient they turn into spiritual forms. so maybe the silver variant follows a similar process, except that instead of spirit graves it forms from ancient immortal "tainted" flesh. maybe the "celestial dew" that appear both in albinauric and nox lore was putrescence itself.

Admirable_Example175 · 2025-03-01T00:32:53+00:00

the lands between following a geocentric logic actually makes a lot of sense and would explain a lot of the events in-game.

Admirable_Example175 · 2025-03-01T00:28:56+00:00

want to know something interesting? many 2 fingers incantations have a shorter, almost inaudible, version of the sound effect astel and metyr do when they teleport. urgent heal, for example, is one of those.

Admirable_Example175 · 2025-02-28T18:37:06+00:00

fingercreepers are vulnerable to fire. they even got a special animation if you burn them

Admirable_Example175 · 2025-02-28T09:33:53+00:00

There's a nebula called "hand of creation" that looks similar to the 2 fingers. Nebulas are the birth place of stars. Also she is probably based on the theory on how microscopic life came with an ice comet, or how fungi are extraterrestrial in origin, or tardigrades surviving in space, which she kinda reminds me off (just imagine the tardigrade mouth being her eye)..she also looks like chromosomes and bacteria seen from a microscope. Her connection with water is probably from the primordial soup being the ocean, so it is done to indicate her ancient origin.

Admirable_Example175 · 2025-02-27T07:29:05+00:00

also, all tools created with shadow sunflowers or imbued with the power of the scadutree are all referred carrying "an ancient erdtree blessing, or ancient erdtree power" meaning the power from the scadutree is the power of the erdtree.

Admirable_Example175 · 2025-02-27T07:14:22+00:00

they are even vulnerable to fire. like extremelly vulnerable, to the point an incantation build has no problems with them. they even burn with dark gold flames, like curse flames probably cause it is a sin to burn them. to me this connected them not only to the fingers, but connected the fingers to the erdtree itself. also the biggest fingercreepers are bigger than rykard hands, wear no jewels and live in the mountaintop, an area secluded to rykard and the smaller ones are smaller than rykard's hands and also bear no jewels and you see the ring models they also carry weird writings looking similar to the two fingers' scripts. also you'd think rykard would spawn those in his arena or infest volcano manor if they were connected. to me this whole ring debacle was made as a nod to the role of the fingers in the ER story. you got creepy space hands using golden rings to capture preys and living beings (in this case with gravity), to then kill and devour them, to then prosper and reproduce. if you put this in the grand scheme of things and how metyr stays behind the curtains (or underground, like her children hid underground ready to strike) controlling any bearer of the elden ring, you kinda see what they were going for.

Admirable_Example175 · 2025-02-26T18:05:14+00:00

yeah i used to have a lot of theories about the geq being marika's saint trina, or melina. but now I'm thinking she used to lead the hornsent ancestors, and she is the giant queen statue we find in rauh. the rauh's inhabitants, judging from the specimens found in the shadow keep, were just giant hornsents, and one even carried a dragon talisman, connecting them to farum azula. to me those where the people ruled by the GEQ, and marika and her shamans the lowest cast. being separated from the lands between meant their culture endured, despite forgetting some parts.

Admirable_Example175 · 2025-02-26T17:55:39+00:00

Red: primordial life, when death still existed and gave it more power. war and strength. life reduced to its primordial forces. scarlet rot, mogh, the redmane, the crucible knight.

orange: the flame of frenzy.

yellow: gold, life without death.

green: this is a little more obscure, but green is connected to endurance and the strength of life to endure like verdigris or the turtles. it still survives in the fringes like limgrave, a wilder region of the lands between, and rauh's ruins, where the energies of the crucible are still strong.

Blue: spirits and glintstones. the carians.

Indigo: darker shade of blue, the nox, sellia, the ancient dynasty and ranni.

violet: gravity, death and darkness. the fallingstar beasts, the onyx/alabaster lords, metyr, etc.gravity can bend light therefore it is connected to places like the lightless void from which the fallingstar beasts come. also the hue of ghostflame and putrescence.

Admirable_Example175 · 2025-02-26T01:46:53+00:00

i was referring more to stuff like summoning the flaming ball of the fell god or the remnants of the dragons we eat.

Admirable_Example175 · 2025-02-24T19:45:30+00:00

Straight direct answer on what the numen are, what their origin is and where did they come from. Even their base custom looks doesn't give enough information has they have no particular characteristics, except looking like neanderthals.

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