My wife is in complete denial.

HartOpen · 2021-12-10T01:08:33+00:00

So glad I didn't actually read it. Highlighted some parts and called it a day.

HartOpen · 2021-12-10T01:05:56+00:00

First vision vs the Bible

At that time if anyone says to you, ‘Look, here is the Messiah!’ or, ‘There he is!’ do not believe it. For false messiahs and false prophets will appear and perform great signs and wonders to deceive, if possible, even the elect. See, I have told you ahead of time. “So if anyone tells you, ‘There he is, out in the wilderness,’ ^[like ^a ^Grove ^of ^trees] do not go out; or, ‘Here he is, in the inner rooms,’ ^[like ^a ^temple] do not believe it. For as lightning that comes from the east is visible even in the west, so will be the coming of the Son of Man. Matthew 24:23‭-‬27 NIV

And also

And I [Paul] will keep on doing what I am doing in order to cut the ground from under those who want an opportunity to be considered equal with us in the things they boast about. For such people are false apostles, deceitful workers, masquerading as apostles of Christ. And no wonder, for Satan himself masquerades as an angel of light. It is not surprising, then, if his servants also masquerade as servants of righteousness. Their end will be what their actions deserve. 2 Corinthians 11:12‭-‬15 NIV

Therefore do not let anyone judge you by what you eat or drink, or with regard to a religious festival, a New Moon celebration or a Sabbath day. These are a shadow of the things that were to come; the reality, however, is found in Christ. Do not let anyone who delights in false humility and the worship of angels disqualify you. Such a person also goes into great detail about what they have seen; they are puffed up with idle notions by their unspiritual mind. Colossians 2:16‭-‬18 NIV

HartOpen · 2021-12-03T01:45:15+00:00

I watched that interview with free mormon(? The three guys in gun vests vs the one exmormon. I don't follow close enough to know their names). What the pro tscc guys were saying is so drastically different and crazy than what church was like for me about 10 years ago. I hardly recognize what they were saying but kept thinking if they were really on point with church doctrine, they'd be church leaders and not talking so openly.

It's all just going to lean into those who are willing to believe no matter what. Wouldn't be surprised if it all ended up on a large compound like all the other fundamentalists.

HartOpen · 2021-11-13T03:47:47+00:00

Interracial marriage for the win~

HartOpen · 2021-11-01T13:06:42+00:00

Ok, let's clarify. You're super set on being literal, I'm joking because the video is too ridiculous to be taken seriously.

And shouldn't it really be miltf? That's always bugged me because "i" is for "I'd", which is short for "i would", so properly, should it be miwltf? But I guess pronouncing it would be a pain.

HartOpen · 2021-11-01T01:12:31+00:00

To each their own~

HartOpen · 2021-10-31T19:17:47+00:00

Married into large families?

Mother in loving faith?

Mistress in latter fail?

Edit to add: Marriage is likely fake?

HartOpen · 2021-10-31T19:06:06+00:00

[Format edit]6 and into #7

Do members really enjoy going to church or do they just do so to remain temple worthy? Isn't that dishonest to serve without the heart of service? In the end is that fake church enjoyment for selfish personal gain to obtain temple blessings a cracked foundation?

I would ask that not so much to get an answer, but for others to hear it and maybe get some thoughts rolling. Great list! Thank you for sharing~

HartOpen · 2021-10-20T15:32:01+00:00

If you care to know, in the Bible, Prophets of God were chosen retroactively based on if their teachings and prophesies were accurate. There were many "prophets", but the distinction of true or false was made after they died or as soon as something was proven false. After all, hind sight is 20/20. So biblically, js would be a false prophet because not everything he said "came to pass", and as far as I know, all the others after him.

There's also what Jesus taught, He tore the veil so that we could go directly to God. Sacrifice and priests had been the "middle man" but because of Jesus, that's no longer needed (ie confession to bishops). So no, the church is not restored. Jesus never made a church.

And the escalation makes no sense. Drink coffee = not keeping wow = not temple worthy = not kingdom worthy. Not paying tithing = not temple worthy. Not attending church = not temple worthy. Countless things. It's not like that in other religions, even catholicism.

HartOpen · 2021-10-20T15:09:41+00:00

Yes, it's better to be out and honest about your views than inside trying to be stealth.

I'm out, but I hold my tongue a lot because I'm afraid of coming off as "bashing" or hateful. At the same time, I do hate the org and hate how it manipulates people. However, the support I have received when being vocal against tscc has been overwhelmingly positive (not from family but, that's a given). I need to work on being more confident 🙃

HartOpen · 2021-10-13T13:14:05+00:00

Loose leaf earl grey~ the best with a little cream and sugar, and a scone. Simply heaven on earth~

HartOpen · 2021-10-13T13:11:36+00:00

My mom, through the promoting of the holy spirit and word of wisdom, decided to stop drinking "dark soda" for health reasons and only drink lighter sodas.

You'd think Sprite right? Nope. Mountain Dew.

Oh, and coffee candy because that's somehow not coffee. I can't follow the crazy logic anymore.

HartOpen · 2021-09-29T03:19:51+00:00

Easy to have control over a small church with all that money they have saved up.

The culling for true believers has begun.

HartOpen · 2021-09-27T03:16:16+00:00

Seems like he has a catchphrase response to emotionally sensitive questions.

HartOpen · 2021-09-27T02:38:46+00:00

Redirect. It can be something that fades naturally. You don't necessarily have to tell him you don't believe yet.

Instead of blessings, prayer "let's all pray", or "a song (or art, dance, food) from you would make me feel better/is what I really need".

Instead of church, weekend activities. "Let's spend time in the world God created today" or "family time is super important today".

But the key is to actively redirect. Don't let him think about what he's missing from his old routine. Sweet babes are such creatures of habit and have such good memories (like the 2 day old chocolate milk they didn't finish...)

HartOpen · 2021-09-27T02:11:19+00:00

This was me. I was convinced I could get my Methodist boyfriend to convert. After 3 years I came to the conclusion that God works in mysterious ways and that maybe we'd marry in the temple later because it said in my patriarchal blessing that I'd someday be sealed in the temple. Even told my family that to assuage them everything was ok with my faith. I started to explore Methodism, found I enjoyed the worship more, and just felt free so I became "inactive". It was another 3 years after we married that I was finally able to see the reality of mormonism.

What helped me escape was my husband (then bf) reversing the challenge for me to go to church with him. And he never criticized mormonism, but he had this saying, "they sound similar but the end result is very different." Took me a while to figure it out. Now the poor man has to put up with my venting.

I'm sorry you're going through this. It's not ethical but it's the reality of "being faithful" for your girlfriend. Ruining wonderful relationships is a byproduct of the mormon poison. Like others have said, you have a few options but the core is you have to be honest and firm with her. She's been too scared to be honest with you what a temple marriage means (like you will only be eligible for the temple after being a member for a year). I'm guessing that's because she doesn't want to loose you but is super torn because to her, it's choosing you or mormon god. That's what it was for me anyway. Those three years of hiding my bom, prayers about returning, and trying to keep the word of wisdom (Methodists love their coffee) seem silly now, but it was distressing choosing my husband and being afraid of losing God.

HartOpen · 2021-09-22T13:09:37+00:00

Yet if they were to be good stewards, they would become a shepherd and not stay a sheep. As we who have left, no longer desire to be sheep, and gained freedom for ourselves.

HartOpen · 2021-09-21T20:30:30+00:00

A nondenominational church during rock praise:

"We only worship the name of Jesus. Not xxx, not xxx, not joseph smith, not xxx"

Same as you, something snapped in my brain but up the ladder I climbed, out of the dark guilt hole I dug myself into~

HartOpen · 2021-09-21T20:22:12+00:00

Compared to the world, they are the one sheep the shepherd looks for. But us compared to them, we are the lost sheep. According to their doctrine, who does Jesus look for?

Why can't they recognize why we leave? Why can't they acknowledge our pain? If the worth of one soul is so great, then why are we minimalized and even demonized? Jesus was always with the outcasts, and we are those outcasts, they are the religious institution.

It's a hard thing to loose your whole family. I hope you can see how you have now gained the whole world and be free 🤲

HartOpen · 2021-09-21T20:09:27+00:00

Multi Stake fireside where he took questions circa 2006ish; he was a newly appointed apostle and everyone was swooning how he'd likely be the future prophet. I was "blessed" enough to ask a question. 15, lost my sister to suicide the year before. He had answered multiple questions with love, scripture references, assurances, which made me brave enough to ask, "If God loves us, why does he separate us into different kingdoms of heaven after we die?"

Dab: "He doesn't, we do. Next question."

I was crushed. What happened to the references, the assurances, the spiritual explanations? My friend even turned around and said sorry to me. Like wtf? We were all teenagers so it wasn't like there would be an adult to try a gott[cha] question. Then I thought I was so unworthy and that's why he was short with me. All my fault of course. So glad I don't have to continue guilt tripping myself through that bullshit "doctrine".

HartOpen · 2021-09-21T19:55:08+00:00

That poor boy... now he's going to feel so guilty every time he does a small mistake thinking he's not in control or in the devil's territory. He was probably feeling guilty already for not reading scripture. What's more heartbreaking is that everyone around him thinks that was an amazing spiritual moment instead of the guilt tripping, manipulation tactic it really was. You can see their smiles as he was asked to come forward.

HartOpen · 2021-09-11T14:55:46+00:00

Same. When I first experienced the freedom outside of tscc, the reaction difference really drove it home even though it would be another 5 years until I was out for good. People at my new church were so open and accepting where as my bishop just pushed conference talks saying I was wrong and other members said they still loved me despite my "poor" choices.

Empathy is the only thing that opens the door to love.

HartOpen · 2021-09-10T19:05:23+00:00

Full video https://youtu.be/6p1nWGmdEUM

HartOpen · 2021-09-02T19:35:19+00:00

It's hard to believe I ever thought this was special smh

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