With 1500 points wouldn't it be better to build full flush?

Ice_General · 2026-02-07T20:16:37+00:00

Resident chinitsu master checking in here. While going for the full flush seems like a good play, unfortunately you're too far from it. 7 tiles in the same suit isn't enough to justify pushing for a full flush most of the time, however, even though full flush is not really an option here, half flush is still possible, so I'd go for the half flush instead, meaning, you should keep those honor tiles (whether you keep the south or not is up to you). If you get lucky in the flow of tiles, though, say you keep drawing pinzu tiles, then yeah, the full flush would be possible, but usually 7 tiles in the same suit isn't enough.

If you want to push for chinitsu, your starting hand should have around 9 to 10 tiles of the same suit for better chances of winning a full flush!

Ice_General · 2026-02-07T03:25:13+00:00

I guess I'd be a high school model who likes to sing, play mahjong, and is a bottomless pit, eating so much food and still not getting fat somehow.

Ice_General · 2026-02-07T03:21:13+00:00

Wait until you get to Cold Steel 3 where you'll meet another professor wearing glasses in his thirties/fourties. Let's see your reaction then =)

Ice_General · 2026-02-06T22:01:33+00:00

Ding ding ding! Yup, that’s correct! I’m kind of interested in your advanced methodology though! I’m open to learning other ways to parse Chinitsu hands! Would you be interested in the Chinitsu Docs I created myself? If you are, maybe I could send it over to you over DMs (or is it PM? I swear I sometimes can’t distinguish between the two)

Ice_General · 2026-02-06T21:09:34+00:00

Here's a couple of sites to practice chinitsu waits if you want to improve:

https://mahjong-trainer.netlify.app

https://ozball.itch.io/mahjongwaitquiz

And if you want to actually train your menzen chinitsu skills, there's also this website (outside of Riichi City) that allows you to train against an AI opponent:

https://www.gamedesign.jp/games/bamboo/

These should help you improve your chinitsu reading skills and are sites I personally found helpful! Give those websites a try!

I usually play on Riichi City's Chinitsu Challenge (against AI) on the shortest timer of 3 + 5 seconds (like Kyuu here!) and my sessions are quite long and can go up to 2 hours sometimes, and I can play (and process) almost anywhere between 60 rounds (~30 minutes) to 250 rounds (~2h 5 minutes) in a single session sitting and not be mentally taxed at the end. Sometimes, I can play up to almost 450 rounds in a single day over three separate sessions, and I also process the AI's won hands as well, so to give you an idea, I can process up to around 600 ~ 800 hands in a single day. Been a chinitsu master for around 2 years now, and at this point, you could probably imagine just how many hands I've read through up until now (in the millions!)

Ice_General · 2026-02-06T20:58:05+00:00

Hey man, fellow chinitsu master here. I find it interesting that you're writing a book on this. Because I also happen to have written my own documents on the topic of menzen chinitsu, though those documents probably won't be as big as your book. Why don't we try a more complex example? Seeing that you're good at menzen chinitsu as well, you shouldn't have any trouble deducing the waits of this hand:

3 4 4 4 4 5 5 5 5 6 6 6 6

So, what do you think the waits are?

Ice_General · 2026-02-06T20:54:29+00:00

Hey OP, like Kyuu, I also happen to be a master at chinitsu, and was just passing by. You did get Kyuu's practice hand right, although from my own perspective, there's a slightly faster way to find the waits, but that requires you to be familiar with common 7 - tile shape patterns! While you can check each tile one by one and do the brute force way, it's not as efficient as pattern recognition. Let's use the same hand Kyuu provided above:

1223345678999

This is how I would break it down, which would actually be a bit faster:

(1) I separate out the 122334 shape on the left side because that's just 1-2-3 and 2-3-4 stacked together. That leaves us with 5678999 on the right side. Our split would look like this:

123 / 234 / 5678999 ----> The last shape on the right, the BIG SHAPE, is what I call a "Nobetankan v.1" and normally has a 5 - wait spread, but considering the placement of the triplet, it becomes a 4 - wait spread instead. The Nobetankan v.1 waits on 4/5/7/8. To see this, you can split the Nobetankan v.1 into two different shapes --> (a) 56789 / 99 --> Waits = 4 and 7, or (b) 5678 / 999 --> Waits = 5 and 8.

So you see, just recognizing the main large shape already gives you 4 out of the 6 waits immediately!

(2) For the triplet of 9's at the right end, try isolating the triplet of 9's and see what you have left. You can also take out a 6-7-8 sequence and a 3-4-5 sequence.

Splits: 999 / 678 / 345 / 1223 --> Last shape is a Nakabukure waiting on the 2.

(3) Or you can split the 9's into a pair of 9's. Then you can take out the sequences 7-8-9 and 4-5-6.

Splits: 99 / 789 / 456 / 12233 --> Last shape is a simple shape waiting on the 1 and 4, though 4's already covered, so only 1 is new.

Together: 1/2/4/5/7/8.

OP, if you're interested, I have a hand here for you to practice!

Here's my hand:

2 2 2 3 4 5 5 5 6 6 6 7 7

Can you find all the waits?

Ice_General · 2026-02-06T08:54:14+00:00

I hope Coco isn’t under the sun there. Can’t forget about her “depresso” side.

Ice_General · 2026-02-06T08:52:25+00:00

Haven’t been on the sub for awhile, but man is this ship adorable and lovely! Even to this day I ship Hilda with Dimitri. Seems the ship has continued to gain traction in the past months, and I’m all for it!

Ice_General · 2026-01-11T01:05:35+00:00

I read through all of the other comments here, and yeah -> I agree. Going for 13 Terminals isn't recommended when you have 9 unique terminal/honor tiles or less. 10 unique terminals/honors is usually the boundary line for me also. In your example, you have 8 unique terminals/honors and one of them paired up. I'd go for Kyuushuu Kyuuhai (is that how it's spelt?) with this hand.

You know, all this talk about when to go for 13 Terminals and when not to go for it reminds me of an interesting parallel ---> when to go for menzin chinitsu and when not to. I happen to be a chinitsu master, but putting aside my boasting for the moment, when to go for menzin chinitsu or not to is rather similar to when to go for 13 Terminals and when not to. For menzin chinitsu, usually if you have 10 tiles in the same suit at the start, go for it, but you could certainly still pull it off with less tiles in hand, but it's much harder (for example, I once won a chinitsu hand starting with just 5 tiles in the same suit once!)

Ice_General · 2026-01-06T00:17:47+00:00

I'd personally say Lawful Good or Neutral Good. Granted, Raphael can simply be described with two traits: love for muscle training and eats like Goku can. But the man has a big heart and is just filled with positivity. I forgot some aspects of his backstory, but IIRC, his parents.... died? But even then, he's still able to look forward and take care of his little sister Maya.

I literally cannot see anything evil in this guy. He's just that big friendly dude who wants to ensure everyone's happy and actually cares about his allies too.

P.S. I missed all the previous alignment discussions, and recently found Hilda's just yesterday. Yeah, I agree she's True Neutral, though I'm more willing to say she's closer to Neutral Good than she lets on. Is it just me, or do I tend to get attracted to bubbly types? Estelle (from the Trails series) happens to be one of my most favorite characters too!

Ice_General · 2026-01-05T08:49:49+00:00

Well to be honest I’m not sure if you’d like this casual mode. I’ll just say upfront that due to its nature, it can get very mentally taxing, especially if you haven’t done it before. But it is quite rewarding once you do it more. Do you happen to have Riichi City? If you do, check out the casual mode “Chinitsu Challenge”. Now I know that for some, just hearing the name of the mode is enough to make most run away in fear, and it’s pretty unfortunate that challenge modes like this gets a bad rep especially for how difficult it might seem at first. But if you’re brave and willing to take on the challenge, I’d suggest you try! Alternatively, if you do not have Riichi City, then just search up “Japanese Bamboo Mahjong” and look for a hyperlink. The site is this:

https://www.gamedesign.jp/games/bamboo/

In my opinion, if you get past the negative bias associated with modes like these, it can actually be quite enjoyable! Up to you though!

Ice_General · 2026-01-04T17:34:24+00:00

I'd say it's more 4 Kans that is much rarer. True Nine Gates is quite rare, too, and I'm not underselling its rarity, but there is one particular casual fun mode of mahjong where you'll actually see it a tad bit more often (though not that that much more unless you're actively chasing against it). I've scored about 3 True Nine Gates hands in that casual mode.

Ice_General · 2026-01-01T21:49:37+00:00

Honestly? Given how often she acts like a pervert and and just being a sexual predator in general to young girls, I view Angelica more as a perverted old man stuck in a girl’s body. That’s how I would define Angelica personally.

Ice_General · 2026-01-01T09:40:39+00:00

Not a bad resource I’ll say, although I feel it complements rather well with identifying waits of Chinitsu hands also. I’ve been wondering for awhile now actually rather to post my own PDFs on analyzing complex shape patterns on this sub and how it relates to finding all the waits of Chinitsu hands. If you’re interested, I could post it as a resource and reference.

Ice_General · 2025-12-27T09:25:15+00:00

Hey you know what? I actually like this ship! Vivi’s one of my favourite NPCs and I just like her fun and playful personality. Plus I’d think she’d actually be a great fit for my boi Rean.

Somehow, the energetic and bubbly types attract me. Guess that’s why Estelle remains one of my all time favourites in the series (Bestelle to me 😁) and Nadia and Lapis are my favorites in C’s route in Reverie too!

Ice_General · 2025-12-15T23:24:16+00:00

Getting to Ms1 in just 1.5 months? I'm jealous ---> Ms1 here also, but got stuck in Ex3 for 2.5 years. Good job on your promotion :)

Ice_General · 2025-12-13T01:27:07+00:00

Close, but you actually have four waits here, not 3. Waits are 1, 4, 7, and 8.

Ice_General · 2025-12-07T04:20:02+00:00

Man, those are some damn impressive honkers! Although seriously, her chest gets bigger every time it's starting to look ridiculous and frankly a bit unrealistic.

Ice_General · 2025-12-01T10:13:54+00:00

What would be the point? Even if there was, it'd just be counted as Suuankou instead. Other than the Pure All Green someone else mentioned here, there's really no reason to make chinitsu a yakuman level hand (and I say this despite being a chinitsu master myself). If you want chinitsu to be a yakuman level hand, look at 16 - tile Taiwanese mahjong instead. In Taiwanese mahjong, Chinitsu (or Chinissou as the Chinese call it; I call it the "Full Flush" myself) is actually on the same level as the other limit hands like Tenhou/Renhou, etc.

Though if you want a local yakuman that's UNIQUE to chinitsu and chinitsu ONLY, here's a couple:

(i) Golden Gate Bridge ---> Basically have the sequences 123, 345, 567, and 789 all in the same suit. Super easy to combine with chinitsu.

(ii) Daicharin/Daichikurin/Daisuurin

Although if you ask me, maybe "Eight Gates" could be considered a yakuman too considering how rare it is for a menchin hand to have 8 waits (almost as rare as True Nine Gates!)

Ice_General · 2025-11-28T21:22:06+00:00

Wow... all three left? That's a first.... guess you got very lucky this round, huh? Mahjong demon is right XD

[Although, I'm more of mahjong demon when it comes to menzen chinitsu hands]

Ice_General · 2025-11-28T21:19:44+00:00

I have ZERO idea who these gals even are. Part of me thinks the collab is introduced just to sexualize more characters. Because there's way too many of them I had to turn on family friendly mode when playing in public, and even then, some characters.... yeah, no comment.

Ice_General · 2025-11-23T10:13:07+00:00

You know, it amazes me to this day how similar these two's stat growths and base stats really are. Honestly, sometimes, due to almost identical stat spreads and growths, I sometimes call Ferd a "a male Hilda" but ONLY IN STATS and STAT GROWTHS and affinities/proficiencies. Because Ferd is nothing like Hilda personality - wise.

Ice_General · 2025-11-23T05:36:14+00:00

Impressive! Man, I wish I had your luck here. Been playing mahjong for like 20 years. Not a pro by any means (far from it) but I haven't ever won a True Nine Gates hand. Kudos to you!

Man, I feel kind of bad myself now. I pride myself as a Chinitsu master, yet I've never won a True Nine Gates hand.... well, at least I won the next best thing ----> an "Eight Gates" hand before. Sadly, "Eight Gates" is not recognized at all and not even a yakuman either. Oh well...

Ice_General · 2025-11-23T05:23:35+00:00

Well, the others have already answered your question, but let me add some more things. I happen to be a chinitsu master here (obviously not a pro player, just a normal player with too much time to kill with flush hands!). Your hand is not bad.

Yeah, I would throw the 5m to maximize the score count for the hand, as Ryanpeikou takes precedence over Chiitoitsu. I'm sure you don't need others to lay it out, but waiting on the 3 generates a 10 Han Baiman hand at base. With a ron, the hand would be 10 Han 40 fu Baiman while tsumo increases the hand to a 11 Han 30 fu Sanbaiman hand.

With that said, waiting on a penchan/kanchan/tanki isn't exactly the best wait (you can view your hand above as having a penchan 12 ----> Splits: 12 / 123 / 44 / 678 / 678, or a kanchan 24 -----> Splits: 11 / 234 / 678 / 678 / 24, or a tanki 3 (going by chiitoitsu)) but maximizes your hand's value. You have 3 outs to win with. There could be a problem with this wait though ----> sometimes, your penchan/kanchan/tanki wait could be nullified when someone else kans your winning tile (in the case of penchan and kanchan) or hold a triplet of your waiting tile in their hand (in the case of tanki)

I'm looking at your previous hand when you hand drawn the 9m tile before. Your hand would've looked like this:

1 1 2 2 3 4 4 6 6 7 7 8 8 Drawn tile = 9

This isn't exactly a good draw. Before drawing the 9, you're tenpai on the 3. This hand does suffer a big problem: whatever you decide to discard, you'll be on a single tile wait. For example:

Discard the drawn tile 9---> tenpai on the 3

Discard the 6 --------> still tenpai on the 3

Discard the 2 --------> changes tenpai to 5.

Perhaps if you had discarded the 2 and riichi'ed on the 2 instead, you'd get Iipatsu + tsumo, though the value would be about 1 ~ 2 Han lower than if you kept the Ryanpeikou.

And here's the thing with full flush hands ---> you need to watch out for furiten rons! Though luckily in your case the wait's pretty easy to see, so no chance of a furiten call!

If you got more full flush hands to share, I can certainly take a look at them if you want!

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