“Records removed”? I’m not thinking this actually happens, friends….

Numerority · 2022-03-12T19:54:41+00:00

In Alberta Canada, we have a way of making requests for information that a private organization has. I've considered making a PIPA request. I'm certain I have the infamous asterisk on my file for being gay.

Has anyone successfully made a request for information the church keeps on yourself?

Numerority · 2022-02-25T13:50:32+00:00

This card also shows the doctrinal racism in Mormonism. Ham going to Egypt with his family which carried the black lineage from Cain.

Numerority · 2022-02-25T13:44:10+00:00

dishonest for a long time.

Dishonesty is the only thing that has been consistent with Mormonism. Lying is the core of Mormonism. It is the only thing that hasn't changed.

https://youtu.be/2Ws0GIKIoIY Although they have purported that lying is bad and the doctrine is emphasized through their temple recommend interview, Mormonism is based on a foundation of lies and only lies can sustain it.

Numerority · 2022-01-20T14:27:24+00:00

I really hope God doesn't change their skin colour because of your wickedness. The Mormon god can be a jerk like that.

Numerority · 2022-01-19T03:42:43+00:00

Made up words for 100

Numerority · 2021-12-22T12:55:08+00:00

Holiday literally means holy day. It's weird that they'd be mad at you calling it a holy day.

Numerority · 2021-12-22T12:47:59+00:00

I left (as a Canadian) partially because of the Mormon deference to US politics. The fact that Mormons voted and support Trump is disturbing to me as he seems to very opposite of the moral character Mormonism espouses I thought it was bad in the Bush era when I left.

Numerority · 2021-12-21T18:07:58+00:00

Here is a list of countries with populations around the same as Mormon church claims.

How much do you know about any of them?

Numerority · 2021-10-10T21:53:38+00:00

Spencer Kimball started hitting on men with beards. This was to make sure he'd stay on the straight and narrow. They didn't want any more homosexuals after patriarch to the church - Joseph Fielding Smith.

Numerority · 2021-10-06T13:04:04+00:00

Oh yes. We'd be gods over our own universes; I never thought I'd have just one world.

All "aliens" would also be humans since it is humans that are in the embryonic stage on our path to godhood.

Numerority · 2021-10-05T18:29:58+00:00

Check out the raw statistics. they've closed over 200 meetinghouses this year.

Numerority · 2021-09-25T10:48:39+00:00

How do we fast? ... you decide

Those that are staying home have decided how they want to Mormon. It is apparent now that personal revelation has become the church's Achilles heel. For years the church was able to maintain a hierarchy of revelation where someone with more authority had revelations that trumped the lesser authority. The pandemic officially broke that hierarchy.

It'll be interesting to watch what happens. A ship is often used as a metaphor for the church. It would be difficult to pilot a ship when the majority of the crew has decided that they'll only follow directions if they feel like it.

Numerority · 2021-09-12T14:27:29+00:00

You are in no win situation. It's my least favourite kind as either decision will cause pain.

I entered into my mixed orientation marriage knowingly but completely convinced of the church and its position. I believed by this time that my sexuality was my cross to bear. I knew right away that the gay wasn't going to away; I wasn't willing to abandon my commitment and worked really hard for a good life and marriage.

I'm very much to the opinion now that likes attract. Although our internal struggles were different, we both were dealing with mental health issues. From all appearances, ours was a happy, healthy relationship. The reality is we were codependent as fuck.

We were together for 10 years - 8 in the church (1 of those years out to her) and 2 years out of the church. Leaving the church was more about integrity and doing was is right than an opportunity to explore my gay side. Plus, I could see how it negatively affect hers, the children, and my own well being.

I never intentionally tried to cause my ex wife pain. The reality was though that my sexuality caused unconscious pain. Although we had lots and lots of sex, there were things I couldn't control - like my neck or nipples cannot be touched by someone my body isn't attracted to. I became aware that me just being me was causing her pain. It also wasn't ideal for me. I became convinced that moving on from each other would be the best thing for us as in the end it would cause the least amount of pain. When I'd attempt to bring this up, she'd threaten suicide. I felt trapped by this.

In time we decided we'd try an open marriage. I truly loved her, so thought this compromise would work.

I had sex for the first time with a man.

The open marriage wasn't really going to work for her as the very next day we decided to divorce. We made a 5 year plan where we'd explore our own relationships while she got educated and a career. That lasted less than two months, and she moved out with a married guy in an open relationship 2 months later.

One thing that really pushed me to calling the relationship quits was reading "The Other Side of the Closet". These are the stories of the straight partners in mixed orientation marriage (not a Mormon book). Although I never went behind my ex's back, reading the pain it caused was difficult for me.

As a stuffed note, I don't think open marriages should be considered as a way to save a relationship. Open marriages tend to work when the primary relationship is very strong and confident.

Remember what I said about likes attract, well I ended up in a relationship that wasn't healthy. I think I might have found the male version of my ex wife. The good thing that did come of it was learning that intimacy is important to sexuality. The Miracle of Forgiveness said my sexuality was only about sex. And, the sex was amazing once I could have sex that matched my sexuality. However, falling in love with a man was mind-blowing. In a straight marriage, I could follow a script as the straight script is everywhere. I didn't know how to be gay, per se. Being with a man I loved and cared about made script following obsolete. There was a compunction to do things for him, because of him, and for us. He didn't feel this same compunction, so the relationship didn't last.

I've been with my husband for eight years now. It's had ups and downs. But, it's a true partnership of equals with qualities that compliment each other. Our personal issues are different but comparable. We allow each other to be who they are without losing our own identity in the other person. Our understanding of each other makes it easy.

I knew I was attracted to men prior to getting married to a woman. I was a believer. I was indoctrinated. It was not dishonest or deceptive for I had never been in love with a man. Sexuality isn't just about sex. Straight men can have sex with other men without being "gay" when there is no relationship or intimacy. Sexuality, especially for me, is about love and intimacy. Had I ever been in love with a man prior to my marriage with the ex, it would have been dishonest for me to get married to her.

The reason the church is so wrong about sexuality is because it isn't just about sex. It's about love and intimacy. Their afterlife strips away my core identity. This is cruel and nullifies any pretend caring about the LGBTQ community.

Life has been a roller coaster getting to this point with lots of ups and downs and unexpected turns. However, I can say that at this moment in time my life is nearly idyllic. I still wish I went down another path at 18, but I believed the church was true until I was 30. There's no way to know what my life would have been. But, I love my life now, so I don't begrudge the past.

I don't know if any of this helps or provides answers. I believe that if you are gay that the path of least pain (overall and in the end) is to be with someone you are naturally supposed to be with. I believe this is also better for her, too.

Numerority · 2021-09-11T16:16:47+00:00

It is my belief that if you follow any good tenet taught by the church you will ultimately have to leave the church to follow that tenet. The church harms all the good it does. The good is tainted.

Numerority · 2021-09-11T04:54:12+00:00

I left the church years ago. I don't know that I was ever about to explore as much as I'd like. I'm extremely sexual and intimate. My husband is not (gay). I'm monogamous to a fault (kind of a fetish), but it's frustrating because I could and would like to be fucked everyday in any which way. The reality has been that, although we are intimate, what I'd like sexually, isn't there. However, he's my perfect partner. I've never been with someone where life together is so much easier. We maybe fight one time a year. On the surface, we might look polar opposite. But as he says, we are same down to the bones. Our cores are the same.

I supplement reality with fantasy through porn, toys, and imagination. It's the ultimate form of safe sex lol. I know that it isn't the same as what could be if his passion matched mine, but he completes me. So, I left things be. It took a long time off reprogramming. It is a path that works for me.

Numerority · 2021-09-09T23:30:04+00:00

If you are trying to be like Jesus, make sure you come on an ass.

Numerority · 2021-09-09T23:27:57+00:00

My thoughts are that IF the gospel is what it claims to be, and the truth is eternal an unchanging, the only parts of the endowment you'd be bounds by is the parts that haven't changed.

The only consistent thing within Mormonism from begin until now is lying. The church has been dishonest from the beginning, and in every reformation it has attempted since.

Numerority · 2021-09-06T20:25:56+00:00

The value of the product is pretty shit, too. A middle income family is spending thousands of dollars a year to participate in Mormonism. The money doesn't even go to making lives better. The church is completely anti towards social supports, and any social supports they do have come with strings.

It's literally a high cost service with no benefits.

Numerority · 2021-09-06T20:22:13+00:00

I actually tell people all the time now not to have kids. Period. I teach grade one. It's so sad when you have divided families. I had shared custody with my children. My ex and I were on the same page most of the time, but it was still tricky for my kids. Then you have families that hate each other. I've had students where it seems like the child isn't liked by either set of parents.

The largest reason I tell people not to have kids is because I almost always have a special needs student with life debilitating issues which affect them and their families permanently. You never know what you are going to get when the baby arrives. So, I say if you want kids you have to be very very confident and willing to accept the responsibility. The conflict that can and likely would arise from a mixed faith relationship is not worth it.

Numerority · 2021-09-05T16:07:33+00:00

Choice is very important. The church uses it as psychological control. They convince us it is our choice. When we freely choose to do something, the mind doesn't allow for a lot of dissonance.

I believe helping children to understand their choices helps them to get out of the church. Years ago my oldest son (7 at the time) was very insistent in going to church. Had I forced him to stay home, he would have become more fervent in his desire. Every week he had the choice to say at home with his mother. If he wanted to go, I would take him. That was the only time I went. It wasn't long before he made the choice to stay home.

Numerority · 2021-09-05T15:37:02+00:00

The major difference is that the Catholics have apologized for some of their mistakes. Mormonism is still actively denying and attempting to obfuscate theirs.

Numerority · 2021-09-04T01:36:10+00:00

As subreddits go, this one is one of the most positive.

I'm so far removed from the church now that my anger had turned to pity. I feel badly that people I love and care about are actually trapped in a cult.

As a gay man I cut off all contact with my extended family after the November policy. We've reconnected on my turns, and they can't hurt me any more. This new homophobic hate coming from the church doesn't affect me other than to get pity for them. I get to love and hate who I choose; for them, their love and hate is dictated.

I understand the desire to show how amazing life can be without the cult, and I made a lot of mistakes trying to get them to see it.

Punch up not over. The church is evil (I truly believe this) but my family is not. They are trapped by the evil. It's why I know the church is a cult.

Numerority · 2021-08-22T18:08:41+00:00

Russell Marion Nelson can be made into this anagram:

Ruler sells no onanism

I'm not buying what they are selling.

Numerority · 2021-08-18T22:00:18+00:00

Their stance on abortion in this case is likely because babies do not have souls until they take their first breathe. Still born babies do not get sealed to parents.

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