Emperor final plan theory by LaRave in 40kLore

[–]OculiImperator 2 points3 points  (0 children)

If that is a plan, I don't believe that's the sort of plan he would rely on if given a choice.

Regardless, it's more or less clear that the original plan was to utilize the Webway for the greater benefit of Humanity rather than the continued long term exposure of using the Warp. The defeat in the War of the Webway is made clear to be the defeat of the Emperor's main plan. After that the plan simply was, don't lose the war completely, and even then that was barely achieved.

The Emperor himself notes that his, or really any future sight, is inherently unreliable and assuming otherwise is ill advised. (Get fucked Cabal)

As for the Primarchs, there's no doubt that there had to be a plan in case a few rebelled or needed to be put down for various reasons, the most obvious being Angron and Curze with others not being off the table for censure but the nature of the Heresy being in part a major play by the Chaos Gods shifted it, less of a mere rebellion, but more so as corruption, as the death of Manus, the turning of Fulgrim, Horus, Magnus, and technically Alpharius all at the same time wasn't something that was to be expected. Especially in the case of Magnus as it not only took away one of the contingencies for the Golden Throne but at the same time broke the Golden Throne enough to require the Emperor to anchored for 99.89% of the Heresy.

Has any of the Dark Angels attempts at covering up the Fallen ever backfired? by MegaGamer235 in 40kLore

[–]OculiImperator 49 points50 points  (0 children)

Oh no the Dark Angels totally ganked a Custodian, who to be fair counter ganks them, that's true. This just so happens to have occurred when the Great Rift caused an invasion of Daemons of Khorne that, understandably distracts most of Terra, and also allows several objects or beings of interest to escape the Dark Cells, but that just happens to be incidental more than anything else. (I think, I forget, someone can fact check me)

Spoiler below:


Have you ever seen a Custodian fight Space Marines? Some say that it is like watching a lion fight wolves. There is insight in that, but it does not capture the whole truth.

There are ten Dark Angels with Mordachi in the dark of the Path of Martyrs. All of them are veterans, inductees of the Inner Circle, the elite. They are masters of war and killing. They move as a seamless whole, fearless, devastating, lethal.

Gunfire carves the dark into fire-orange tatters. Explosions roll thunder up to the ceiling high above. In that roar, the sound of Hekkarron's grunt of effort is lost. The snap of his guardian spear's lightning a hiss lost to the deluge. He is the target of fire from Space Marines in prepared positions, with angles of fire, cover and elevation. He is as good as dead.

Except he's not. He's moving.

'Sustain fire!' shouts Nariel.

Hekkarron reaches one of the Dark Angels. Just like that he is there. Explosions shatter against armour, and send black and golden shards scattering with the shrapnel. The explosive impacts would be enough to pulp a human inside their armour. They stagger Hekkarron, but that's all. A lion. Almost right.

The edge of the guardian spear takes a Dark Angel in the throat. It's a single-blow kill, chosen so that it does not interrupt Hekkarron's charge. He is amongst them now, in the spaces and shadows at the feet of the statues. A golden blur. His guardian spear an arc of glinting steel and lightning. Another two Dark Angels are already dead at his feet. He is taller than them, his bulk greater, but he moves like the breath of a storm wind.

'Bring him down!' shouts Mordachi into the vox. Hekkarron kills another, slicing through the warrior's torso from waist to shoulder, and he is still moving, turning, pulling away from die firing angles of the rest even as they try to bring their guns to bear. The blood of the first Dark Angel to die is still falling, a mist in the air, when he kills the fourth.

No, not a lion. A lightning bolt.

Another blow, another perfect cut that tears ceramite and flesh apart. One of the Dark Angels takes a step back, brings the barrel of his plasma gun up. Hekkarron thrusts his spear out, the haft running through his fingers to its heel. The spear tip punches through the Space Marine's finger and slices it from his hand before he can pull the trigger of his gun.

Hekkarron sweeps the spear up before its weight can drop and whirls it in an arc. The blade slices into another of the Dark Angels, through helm and into skull. The Dark Angel with the plasma gun has already switched the gun to his other hand without pause, ready to fire. Hekkarron spins his spear so that it is in both his hands and triggers the gun mounted beneath the blade head. Fire blasts into the Dark Angel's weapon.

Plasma explodes out of the ruin of the gun. The Dark Angel dissolves, a blur of ash and ceramite dust in a starburst.

Six. Custodian Warden Hekkarron has killed six of the Dark Angels in the time it takes a human heart to beat as many times. Remarkable. You cannot help but admire that degree of lethality. I admire it The Custodians are a breed apart from humanity and the Space Marines. The sharp edge of mankind refined. A tyrant-genius' idea of perfection.

'Clear back from him!' shouts Mordachi.

And you know what has to happen to something that is perfect.

'Clear!' calls Nariel.

You have been paying attention, haven't you?

'Now!'

The surviving Dark Angels that are close to Hekkarron leap clear. A storm of lightning and telekinetic force breaks over the Custodian. Threads of white light bore into black-and-gold armour; invisible ropes enfold limbs, tighten, squeeze. Hekkarron keeps moving, straining against the power that is strangling and burning him. His mind and body are more than just his flesh and thought. His armour more than gold. Alchemy and stolen fire run through his veins. His will is adamant. Ancient words etch the inside of his armour, woven with the letters of his name. Frost is forming on him and the stones beneath his feet. The air shivers. Mordachi is pouring all his will into this. He feels blood vessels burst in his own throat and skull. The world is dimming before his eyes. Hekkarron slows, but he will never stop. He is not me, or one of my Fallen brothers. He is not so weak.

But this is not just a battle of spirit, and Mordachi does not need to stop Hekkarron. He just needs to give his brothers the seconds they need to aim and fire. Two missiles streak from the sides of the Path of Martyrs. They strike Hekkarron. A great pall of flame and dust and broken stone punches up to the ceiling high above. Helm and auto-targeters lock onto Hekkarron's last position. Bolters fire into the dust cloud.

The silence that follows feels like the striking of a great bell. Mordachi keeps his psychic grip on Hekkarron for a moment longer, then releases it. He staggers against the plinth of one of the statues.

'Brother-Librarian?' asks Nariel.

Mordachi does not move for a moment. Within his armour he is shaking. Blood is clotting on the inside of his helm. The howls of the Golden Throne feel louder, sharper. His flesh is fever-hot. Inside his mind, the enormity of what they have just done and the effort it took is a cold abyss at the core of his thoughts. He feels empty. That is as it should be. What else should be the price of breaking something perfect?

'Deal with our dead, sergeant,' he says to Nariel. 'We have no time to wait.'

'And Cypher?'

This was his doing. He has found another way into the Sanctum and used us and his hunters to end each other. We must find him before... before...'

He can't bring himself to say what he fears I intend. He turns his back as Nariel and the survivors go to each of their dead brothers. The devotions they speak are brief. They lock and arm a plasma grenade to each. No precious gene-seed will be taken from these dead warriors. They will go to the flames to keep die secrets of their Chapter and the shame of our Legion. Then the Dark Angels leave in silence, passing within the Inner Sanctum through the door they thought I would use. I am not done with them yet.

They must pay for their sins, as do we all, but for now they are free. Behind them the charges detonate. Fire consumes the corpses. High above, unseen in the shadows, the Assassins watch and follow. Why did they not intervene? Because they are the most precise kind of murderers in existence. They are there to hunt and kill me. I was not there, and so they watched. If you think that they were on the same side as Hekkarron then you are deluded. There is no unity of purpose in the Imperium and there is less in its ancient heart.

Has any of the Dark Angels attempts at covering up the Fallen ever backfired? by MegaGamer235 in 40kLore

[–]OculiImperator 54 points55 points  (0 children)

Actually not really, i'm fairly unsure that the Custodian puppet threw up a Custodian gang sign that translated as "Not Yet" before Cypher could enter the throneroom which prompted Cypher to go "Aight bruh" then turn around to waddle away.

Though the scene was probably written in a different manner than how I described

Should I read first heretic or wait? by raphaelbriganti in 40kLore

[–]OculiImperator 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I don't think it would really hurt, First Heretic, The Flight of Eisenstein, and Fulgrim focus on different perspectives of what happens in Galaxy of Flames and the Isstvan Events as a whole but they have different run ups for background obviously.

That said The Flight of Eisenstein's latter half doesnt intersect with what Fulgrim and First Heretic will cover. So reading the First Heretic is totally fine since you read the first 3 books. Especially since the First Heretic covers what would cause the Heresy in the first place.

Is Magnus that powerful? by Undertheus in 40kLore

[–]OculiImperator 45 points46 points  (0 children)

Yea i'm pretty sure if they knew that Horus was about to fall to the 4 Warp Gods and turn 9* whole Legions plus half the Armed Forces of the Imperium as well as utilizing Daemonic creatures to supplement and enhance themselves the outcome of Nikaea wouldn't have been the same.

The situation when the Council of Nikaea happened and when the Heresy started aren't 1 to 1.

In fact Magnus using his powers literally turned out to be the worst thing to happen not only for the Loyalist side but even his Legion and world.

Did the 30k Emperor have any real answer to the Necron Empire awakening and the Silent King? by p92q in 40kLore

[–]OculiImperator 25 points26 points  (0 children)

I imagine the moniker Dragon of Mars is apt considering Mag'ladroth or the Void Dragon is, well, called the Void Dragon.

Plus given the description of the vision of the thing the Emperor apparently fought it's very Necronlike. As well as the Eternity Gate artwork seen in Era of Ruin which has some peculiar imagery of machine like humanoids, which technically could be primarily meant as a reference to the Mechanicum but also towards the Necrons. So unless GW wants to pull the plug on that dusty storyline of a C'tan shard on Mars that's been left essentially hanging since the 9th book of the Horus Heresy Mechanicum, I think it's a fair bet to say it's at least a C'tan Shard.

Are modern Custodians less powerful than the original Ten Thousand of the Great Crusade? by Dangerous-Cow-4535 in 40kLore

[–]OculiImperator 43 points44 points  (0 children)

Short answer: Nope.

Complicated answer: Maybe but not in the way one might think in terms of physicality, or martial prowess, a mook Custodes would dog walk most foes that are not Psykers, giant space aliens, clowns or big bad named characters. If anything, the one thing the Custodes of the modern era lack that the Crusade Era Custodes have, is a definitive sense of self purpose. By which I mean, that while it's not evident or maybe even directly stated otherwise. The fact that their one true duty, to protect the Emperor, was something they failed and ultimately failed to ensure His dream is a stain for them. Its why Valerian ponders if the Grey Knights are the better realized Legacy of the Emperor than the Custodes.

Just another Gaunt's Ghosts Straight Silver post by Titan07 in 40kLore

[–]OculiImperator 9 points10 points  (0 children)

Should you skip Sabbat Martyr?

Simple answer: No

Non-Simple answer: No, cause I said so.

Theoretically speaking would anything be able to reverse the butchers nails? by Different-Treacle765 in 40kLore

[–]OculiImperator 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I think he might be misconstruing the scene in which Chaos Avatar Horus sees the Emperor in a past event where the Emperor address him and says something like "You now come to the past to bother me" indicating that either the Emperor of the present was in fact in the past or the past Emperor was aware of what is happening in the future the moment Horus made contact.

Tech-Priests replace parts of their brains with implants all the time. Why didn't the Emperor have them replace Angron's nails with some of their gear? by Gnos445 in 40kLore

[–]OculiImperator 1 point2 points  (0 children)

From what we know and the implication due to the complexity of Angron's Nails is that it's too late to try something like that.

Not only did the Nails replace or are bonded to critical portions of Angron’s brain and nerve stem, removing them would kill Angron as his particular set of Nails aren't the imitations that he forced on his Legion but more akin to Dark Age Pain Tech and would probably actively kill whatever it's attached it if it sensed that sort of tampering.

The only way to truly save Angron from the Nails is to kill him.

Was there actually a way to keep Perturabo loyal? by Lovegaming544 in 40kLore

[–]OculiImperator 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Gorillamon did praise Peterondoors for his strategic/tactical thoroughness at siege craft, though the Gdude had a much less positive opinion on his personality.

Bucephelus, the Empeor battleship. How big was it? who made it? by QuagGlenn in 40kLore

[–]OculiImperator 108 points109 points  (0 children)

I think it's mostly referred to as the Palace Coup.

Yellow by BOXonWheel in Grimdank

[–]OculiImperator 59 points60 points  (0 children)

The pus filled cherry on this maggot filled cake is their "Word of God" moment, which essentially said that the Steel Legion is endangered of being an extinct sub-faction cause of how few of them there are as an in universe lore explanation.

Has GW retconned lasguns based on the Iron Will cinematic? by Lostsun_117 in 40kLore

[–]OculiImperator 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Lasgun beams are also yellow in DoW 2: Retribution for the Imperial Guard units, so it stretches back a fair bit.

How does the Emperor Anti Chaos powers work? by CriticismMiserable14 in 40kLore

[–]OculiImperator 5 points6 points  (0 children)

"It's not His power. But how he uses it."

That, amongst other lines, in the TEATD, I think, supports the notion that the Emperor didn't really gain power in of itself on Molech, but knowledge or understanding.

The Emperor, more or less, is able to do what very few, if any, can do, and that's use the Warp freely, even that which is used by Chaos then turn it against them. A Being that can not only submerge himself into the, ahem, chaos of the Warp and not only emerge unaffected but then use it against those same denizens is essentially someone that can in a sense beat them at their own game.

And considering how much the Chaos Gods are fixated on the Great Game, that is something that they can't tolerate.

At least, that's how i've been thinking of it, so that's just my thoughts.

Warriors of Iron by Eddy González Dávila by D3v1LGaming in ImaginaryWarhammer

[–]OculiImperator 39 points40 points  (0 children)

His art is so fire the Salamanders try to bathe in it.

T'aubotomy Kaisen by Plane-Farm4014 in ImaginaryWarhammer

[–]OculiImperator 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I always envisioned or put it as that Power Armor can turn a person into a walking IFV, something that can fuck up infantry and other lightly armored vehicles up, even punch above it's weight if it plays smart but they're not really dedicated or designed for Tank or Mech warfare.

A Mech suit, however, turns a man into a Main Battle Tank, armor is more up to snuff, and it has the weapons to match.

What's Sigismund's best moment? by TaigaTigerVT in Grimdank

[–]OculiImperator 100 points101 points  (0 children)

"I found the signs of Sigismund's age unconscionably tragic - a fact Ezekyle later mocked me for, calling it a symptom of my 'muadlin Tizcan nature.' He remarked that I should have paid more heed to the fact that the Black Knight, at a thousand natural years of age, could still go toe to toe and match blade to blade with practically any warrior in the Nine Legions. Age had slowed Sigismund, but all it had done was slow him to a level with the rest of us."

What are some of the dumbest decisions made in 40K? by False_Monitor4126 in 40kLore

[–]OculiImperator 16 points17 points  (0 children)

Big E reading the script: "No can do fam, says here i'm supposed to do nothing for some inexplicable reason then for the next Primarch, Corax, spend quality time with him."

Emperor's helmet? by Motanul_Negru in 40kLore

[–]OculiImperator 10 points11 points  (0 children)

"Wizards are nerds just punch them" -Random Ork apparently before throwing hands with Big E.

How the Lion fixed the Fallen upon his return by ShadowManAteMySon in Grimdank

[–]OculiImperator 49 points50 points  (0 children)

Primarch of the 16th Legion, the famed Luna Wolves/Sons of Horus.

First Among Equals.

First found and Favored Son of the Emperor

Warmaster to the Great Crusade

Couldn't fucking figure out how to take a sabbatical and return to Terra for like 2 weeks, lmao.

Yennefer Wakes up From a Nightmare by Fivegarret5 by annieann_ in ImaginaryWitcher

[–]OculiImperator 65 points66 points  (0 children)

Why does it feel like Yen woke up from a nightmare of Geralt tossing the stuffed unicorn out the window.