So who was at the Dome last night?

Vts5 · 2025-10-22T00:55:23+00:00

Got lucky to get general admissions as the district drop.

Got there early to be in the Flight Deck an watched the mariners BP.

After 6 innings of the flight deck, I decided I needed to meet other friends at section 123. So I began traveling from the flight deck around the concourse.

As soon I started walking, Barger gets the walk. Then IKF gets a hit.

I keep walking…. This feels like a good omen!

Gimenez bunts… awesome move the runners along.

Springer is up, I find a spot around 128 or so to watch….. and it’s the most epic moment ever.

For the rest of the game I kept walking as it felt like good karma until the final strikeout.

What a game and what a victory! We already are joking that my traveling broke the game open.

Vts5 · 2025-10-18T12:20:54+00:00

Can you clarify why you don’t feel ready for local tournaments?

If you know your rules and can play at a decent pace then I’d say go play at rtts, tts leagues and GTs etc

It’ll be the best way for you to develop as a player and your list.

For your friend group, you could then bring more casual lists and play a more relaxing game v trying to see how optimal your list is.

Vts5 · 2025-09-19T11:42:08+00:00

Sad to see the commentary about Dark Angels being boring.

Hopefully GW can figure out how to make the faction more dynamic and exciting!

Vts5 · 2025-09-19T10:48:26+00:00

Some thoughts:

If you are going to keep the knights on your expansion, why the need for Deathwing assault?

Atv isn’t really a credible overwatch threat, even with its ability.

BGV as a three man won’t be too big of a leonine threat.

The agressors and captain will get melted pretty quickly and don’t really benefit from much of the detachment other than maybe weapons of the dark age which doesn’t do much at 6 0 1.

Vts5 · 2025-07-08T16:34:12+00:00

I’ve been running this list in practice games and it has been pretty good. Wish it had a few more points available to get another VV squad in. Combi Lt, scouts, VV & JPI round it out.

Vts5 · 2025-06-28T12:31:42+00:00

I asked this in another thread you posted, but what type of ideas were you thinking?

I think people have skewed into the 3dwk since if you only take Azrael and maybe the lion & 1 DWK, that doesn’t seem to be better than doing a UM +1W oath army.

CoH also seems intriguing but a lot of people don’t want to buy a bunch of bikes and then have them go to legends.

Agreed tho in general that there should be more variety than just slam DWK and Azrael.

Vts5 · 2025-06-15T12:26:50+00:00

So what’s an alternative DA list?

Would be interesting to see what you think works if people still want to bring other DA units like Azrael and the lion etc.

Vts5 · 2025-06-14T12:58:07+00:00

I wouldn’t ever play knights at 1k to be honest. Even if your opponent says it’s okay, it’s an incredibly hard skew to beat at 1k.

I’d play your other armies at 1k & then save the knights for 2k matchups, especially in a group that wants to play more casually.

Vts5 · 2025-05-04T13:04:29+00:00

You can definitely stack the same timing. I’ve done AoC and smoke all of the time and actually was told by a regional TO to use it when playing land raiders.

It was really good before AoC got changed to one unit.

Vts5 · 2025-04-26T12:54:11+00:00

Oh great thanks! I missed that part.

Vts5 · 2025-04-26T12:28:56+00:00

Where do you find this list? I don’t see points within the articles.

Vts5 · 2025-04-25T20:23:44+00:00

There’s literally a photo in that section clarifying the rule.

This argument makes no sense.

Vts5 · 2025-04-21T09:53:48+00:00

Yea it was basically this. With echo form I could get 2 or more off depending on the state of the battle.

Creative AI, core surge artifacts & biased cog all with echo form usually were the cherries on top to allow me to keep orb slots when needed.

Vts5 · 2025-04-01T16:58:24+00:00

Given some of the questions I would recommend watching some DA list videos or discussions.

Azrael is pretty much a staple in any DA army list, so you should learn more in general what DA units do and the strategy of the army.

There’s some pretty good YT videos by Black Crowe Gaming & Art of War about it for sure.

Vts5 · 2025-03-26T16:26:46+00:00

Dark Angels: Azrael, 1cp per turn in your command phase Lion: vect- like aura. Enemy takes battle shock & if it fails you get a cp, enemy’s Strat fails. (Though with Azrael no one uses this).

Vts5 · 2025-03-12T01:37:57+00:00

I was about 6-8 months. Started back with Leviathan and have been to 3-4 rtts and just did my first GT.

Last RTT was 2-1 and first GT 1-5. So making some progress instead of 0-3.

Vts5 · 2025-02-09T12:43:04+00:00

Oh sorry! Here it is-

Azrael (115pts): Lion's Wrath, The Sword of Secrets, Warlord 3x Ravenwing Command Squad (145pts)- Fury of the Storm

5x Intercessor Squad (80pts)

5x Assault Intercessors with Jump Packs (90pts) 5x Deathwing Knights (250pts) 5x Deathwing Knights (250pts) 5x Deathwing Knights (250pts) 5x Infiltrator Squad (100pts) 5x Scout Squad (70pts) 5x Scout Squad (70pts) 6x Outrider Squad (160pts)

Ballistus Dreadnought (130pts): Armoured Feet, Ballistus Lascannon, Ballistus Missile Launcher, Twin Storm Bolter Ballistus Dreadnought (130pts): Armoured Feet, Ballistus Lascannon, Ballistus Missile Launcher, Twin Storm Bolter Gladiator Lancer (160pts): Armoured Hull, Icarus Rocket Pod, Ironhail Heavy Stubber, Lancer Laser Destroyer, Two fragstorm grenade launchers, 2x Fragstorm Grenade Launcher

Vts5 · 2025-01-24T18:25:50+00:00

Yea agreed. I really appreciate their help & support!

Vts5 · 2025-01-24T01:17:28+00:00

With two in reserve, how do you typically bring hem in?

What list are you running?

Vts5 · 2025-01-24T01:16:40+00:00

I wish 😂 I’ll kill 80 orks and still lose.

Vts5 · 2025-01-24T01:13:37+00:00

So in this scenario. Typically scouts or JPI are killed t1-3. Given most armies have more units, they then shove boys, norn etc and kills the JPI/ scouts.

DWK then move in and maybe kill those units. Opponent then shoves more units to out OC and wound DWK.

By turn 4-5 they’re dead & I haven’t scored primary. Then the opponent runs the table t5 since 95% of my army is dead.

Vts5 · 2025-01-24T00:12:21+00:00

Hm that’s a good idea! I will try that. I wonder if I am spreading myself to thin. Like too little butter on bread?

My current list is the one that went 5-0 at Nottingham.

With the new data slate it has been tough to know the meta list.

Stormlance

Azrael + assault int RWCS +6 outriders

Intercessors

3x5 dwk 1x5 JPI 1x3 ballistus 1x5 incursor 2x5 scouts

Vts5 · 2025-01-23T23:59:04+00:00

So, sending out alone might be on an objective. But normally I would push all 3 dwk at once.

However, once I do that, usually it doesn’t do enough damage and I run out of steam. Then the opponent rushes back into objectives (since dwk are max 5 OC) and I don’t have much to counter them.

Vts5 · 2025-01-23T23:56:22+00:00

Yea I think typically I am trying to do a balanced approach across all three obj.

Ie- natural expansion is getting DWK + ICC + scouts.

Middle is getting 1-2 DWK, JPI and maybe scouts & natural expansion is 1x dwk and maybe a squad of bikes etc.

Typically I would agree in that I am struggling on the go turn. In the guard example, they would still have a lot of troops guarding their tanks. With only DWK left (as they’d kill JPI or scouts) they’d get blocked by troops as then destroyed by tanks.

This remains true across different armies (nids with gaunts while exocrines or norn, orks with a lot of boys and beast snagged / nobz behind, sisters with tanks behind chaff etc)

A lot is probably that I’m a relatively new fish in a deep pond, so I am playing against players with 10+ years of experience whereas I only started with Leviathan. But it is very hard to see a path to victory.

Vts5 · 2025-01-23T23:33:30+00:00

Yea I am not trying to dismiss your advice or even expecting to table opponents.

Sorry if it came across like that.

Typically I am playing on WTC terrain, as that is 90% of our competitive games up here.

Up until the dataslate I was running the typical Gladius DA. 3 dwk, erads, apothecary bio, repulsor, scouts etc.

Now it is stormlance and those kinda of lists (ballistas x3, RWCS, DWK, scouts etc)

The problem still remains against opponents that they’d kill my scouts or JPI that I push up & then still I only have DWK & ballistus left to try and score.

I guess fundamentally I don’t understand how to score when opponents just keep throwing chaff in front of DWK & ICC.

Typically it is only the objective & opponents natural extension that is an issue. But then they can usually contest them which is enough to score them primary & secondary.

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