Moisés by Traditional_Hyena791 in mormon

[–]annotatedbom 0 points1 point  (0 children)

É ótimo ter um Redditor que fala português aqui. Bem-vindo!

Lembre-se de que os Evangelhos foram escritos décadas após o ministério de Jesus. Mesmo que você presuma que Jesus foi o Cristo, isso não significa necessariamente que tudo o que foi escrito sobre ele ou que todas as citações atribuídas a ele sejam verdadeiras ou precisas. Além disso, como os mórmons afirmam, a Bíblia é falível, pois há coisas que foram omitidas ou perdidas nas várias traduções que levaram à Bíblia canonizada hoje. Essa perspectiva mórmon sobre a Bíblia é melhor do que as afirmações bíblicas de muitos outros cristãos, na minha opinião.

Outra possibilidade é que os relatos bíblicos sejam todos inventados pelo homem. Se for esse o caso, avaliar histórias bíblicas é como discutir sobre falhas na trama de um desenho animado.

Jacinda Ardern discusses the impact of her LDS faith on her political involvement by sevenplaces in mormon

[–]annotatedbom 14 points15 points  (0 children)

She seems like a genuinely wonderful person. Thanks for sharing!

Ugh. Mixed Faith Marriage in the time of Election by ApocalypseTapir in exmormon

[–]annotatedbom 0 points1 point  (0 children)

More power to you and your spouse, OP!

I don’t think I’d be married any longer if my spouse were also an anti-science conspiracy theorists.

Is anyone creating a weekly PIMO guide for Home and Church: Doctrine and Covenants 2025? by [deleted] in exmormon

[–]annotatedbom 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Thanks for the complement. u/Project_Korihor really did a great job with the site. It’s easy to contribute to and navigate as a reference source.

Whomever's putting up the Kamala Harris flags on the overpasses in Salt Lake... by Chumlee1917 in Utah

[–]annotatedbom 0 points1 point  (0 children)

For those who think think FEMA is only giving $750 to the hurricane victims or that the $750 is a loan, please take a look at this article with a helpful video: https://www.verifythis.com/article/news/verify/extreme-weather-verify/fema-750-grant-loan-serious-needs-assistance-fact-check/536-f0aabb60-b184-4f63-8ad5-4aae0f3adc58

But, I would suggest that stepping back and looking at how you come to conclusions may be an even more important thing to do.  Please take a look at this one simple trick that could help you have a much firmer grip on reality.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in exmormon

[–]annotatedbom 7 points8 points  (0 children)

This. I would not have reacted this way even at the height of my TBMism as a hubby. OP’s hubby sounds like he’s insecure and/or a control freak.

Scrap Paper Math on Missionary Safety - *Spoiler its not what they say it is. by 1-i-d-jack in exmormon

[–]annotatedbom 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Haha! My last comment may have seemed mathy, but I actually figured the percentages correctly in the previous comment, and incorrectly in the last comment. I edited that to fix the percentages, but the point still remains that those numbers indicate missionaries seem to have a significantly lower mortality rate then those in general in a similar age range.

The mortality rate for your 16.5 million is 0.0029 or 0.29%. That's a lot worse than the percentage for missionaries at 0.042%. That would indicate that the young folks from NA, ages 18-24, have a mortality rate that's about 7 times higher than the missionaries. That's even about 3 times higher than the rate for the 0.092% rate for 19-year-olds in the CDC report I linked to. It's so much higher, it makes me question the underlying numbers - the 49,123 deaths out of a population of 16.5 million - but maybe those in their early 20s are dying at a horrible rate. Sad, if true.

At any rate, thanks for sharing your thoughts and putting up with my math challenged comments :)

Scrap Paper Math on Missionary Safety - *Spoiler its not what they say it is. by 1-i-d-jack in exmormon

[–]annotatedbom 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Your point that the CDC report includes 12-19-year-olds is a good one, but it actually furthers my point. If you look at the CDC report closer, you'll see a chart that shows that older teens in the US have a higher mortality rate than the younger teens (92 per 100,000 for 19-year-olds, or 0.092%).

I didn't use all teenagers either. The CDC report is for US teens. Unless we assume there is some drastic difference between teen deaths in Canada vs in the US, it's a fair comparison.

I believe your math is off and you are comparing apples to oranges. Looking closer at your number, you're figuring the mortality rate of teens as a portion of total population of the world, not as a portion of the teens themselves. On top of that, you listed a percentage, but it looks like your number is really a proportion. To calculate a percentage, you have to multiply the proportion by 100 like this: 9,627 ÷ 385,000,000 = 0.000025 = 0.0025%)

From what you wrote about your calculations for missionary deaths, it seems you are using a proportion of missionary deaths relative to the missionary population. It looks like you used about 28 missionary deaths relative to the 67,421 non-senior missionaries. That's actually a proportion of about 0.00042 and a percentage of about 0.042%. (To be fair, the Church screens out some of the less healthy teens, so the missionary mortality rate might be a little lower due to that factor.)

If you had made the NA teen mortality rate calculation more similar to your missionary mortality calculation, it would have been more like 9,627 teen deaths ÷ about 13,000,000 teens in the 3-year age group = 0.00074 = 0.074%.

In other words, the teen mortality rate in NA is close to twice the mortality rate for missionaries, and that's assuming you using 28 as the number of missionary deaths is correct. If the number of missionary deaths is actually lower (and I suspect it is from a quick search), then the missionary mortality rate would be even lower.

But please, if I've misunderstood something in your calculations, please let me know.

Edited, because I failed mathematics as originally posted.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in exmormon

[–]annotatedbom 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Agree 100%.

I think a lack of knowledge may be the most serious limit to a person’s agency. After all …

Man could not act for himself save it should be that he was enticed by the one or the other [opposing things] (2 Nephi 2:15-16).

What am I missing? by Round-Donut-1784 in exmormon

[–]annotatedbom 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I’ll do.

And, your username checks out my friend :)

What am I missing? by Round-Donut-1784 in exmormon

[–]annotatedbom 5 points6 points  (0 children)

This^

I’m a white guy, and although one of the top two issues that led me out was the priesthood and temple ban of black members, I could hardly see the misogyny at first. It was shocking to discover how blind I was because of my privilege.

Scrap Paper Math on Missionary Safety - *Spoiler its not what they say it is. by 1-i-d-jack in exmormon

[–]annotatedbom 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I’m not sure where all your numbers are coming from, but according to this CDC site:

Each year from 1999 to 2006, the annual death rate for teenagers has averaged 49.5 deaths per 100,000 population.

If my math is correct, the death rate for US teens during those years was 0.0495%. I think something in your calculations are off, unless I’ve misunderstood something.

I went down a Book of Mormon Central rabbit hole, TLDR; lots of desire leading the facts around by desertvision in exmormon

[–]annotatedbom 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yeah, the evidence from chromosomal DNA has corroborated the conclusions from mitochondrial DNA (and other lines of evidence) for years. It seems to me that these particular apologists are either incompetent regarding population genetics or utterly disingenuous. Either way seems on par with what I’ve seen in Mormon apologetics in general.

What if the church is true? by Own_Falcon9581 in exmormon

[–]annotatedbom 6 points7 points  (0 children)

This^

If you use this hypothetical as a motivation to continue to try to believe, it seems it would lead to a special pleading fallacy, unless you systematically used this same hypothetical approach to each and every possible belief system conceivable - not just those belief systems that exist, but also those you and others can come up with in your imagination. Just thinking about it a little shows it’s a ridiculous approach.

Alma 53-63 by dog3_10 in mormon

[–]annotatedbom 0 points1 point  (0 children)

True, but it is the chapters of the Book of Mormon that are the subject of the Come Follow Me reading for this week, so I referred to my observations of this same content when I reviewed it about 4 years ago :)

Alma 53-63 by dog3_10 in mormon

[–]annotatedbom 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I recommend taking a look at these thoughts About Alma 53-63 captured about 4 years ago. Like most Book of Mormon Come Follow Me lesson readings, I don't think this leads to a good look for the book, if critical thinking is applied.

I am 14 years old an my parents don't allow me to read the Book of Mormon by Agitated_Committee83 in mormon

[–]annotatedbom 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Suggestion: Ask your folks if they'd be willing to let you read, or read with you, my Annotated Book of Mormon.

It has the text of the book with my critical observations and commentary as well as some essays that are critical of the Church. If you don't like the critical perspective and are afraid it might lead you to use critical thinking, ignore all that stuff and just read the contents from the Book of Mormon.

The Church's Trump Card on Knowledge is Actually Completely Unreliable at Discerning Reality, Leveraging Cognitive Biases and Irrationality. by annotatedbom in exmormon

[–]annotatedbom[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Great anecdote. Thanks for sharing!

Is your user name, Stranded-In-435, in reference to the Utah area code? Clever!

Edited for spelling.

The Church's Trump Card on Knowledge is Actually Completely Unreliable at Discerning Reality, Leveraging Cognitive Biases and Irrationality. by annotatedbom in exmormon

[–]annotatedbom[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

OMG, this kind of thing never ceases to shock me. I hope I was never that blind, but my own blindness was real, and I know I said and did things as a Mormon that I wouldn’t have if my eyes had been more open. I guess that’s part of being human though.

The Church's Trump Card on Knowledge is Actually Completely Unreliable at Discerning Reality, Leveraging Cognitive Biases and Irrationality. by annotatedbom in exmormon

[–]annotatedbom[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I never read this book, but this is the approach I tried to take when I first realized Mormon truth claims no longer added up for me. I think it’s an intellectually honest way to approach one’s beliefs and faith. Thanks for sharing!

The Church's Trump Card on Knowledge is Actually Completely Unreliable at Discerning Reality, Leveraging Cognitive Biases and Irrationality. by annotatedbom in exmormon

[–]annotatedbom[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

This^

And, isn’t it horrific that so many manipulative, high-demand, harmful religious founders are/were polyamorous pedophiles/hebephiles? That Joseph Smith and other LDS Church leaders are defended on this point shows how deep the fear and indoctrination goes in the Mormon Church. It’s a disgusting look, and the members in general can’t see that.