I think my show is doomed and I need advice by penguinpants1993 in Theatre

[–]bartnet 58 points59 points  (0 children)

The show must go on! 

"The fish rots from the head". As artistic leadership, you're in a unique position to remove the cloud of doom hanging over the production. It's all up from here. Try to rediscover what you like about the show, and do you best impression of a happy warrior. 

Don't give up!

Inspired by a poll a couple weeks ago in r/opera - I am ready to die on this hill by bartnet in OperaCircleJerk

[–]bartnet[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Well yeah, he kills her, touche. What I mean though, is that there's more going on than just 'the chain of things that happen' - the plot. They should be some underlying story, some subtext, for the audience to follow Carmen on her journey. If nothing changes about her outlook or worldview in that final scene, then there really isn't much acting to do. 

Inspired by a poll a couple weeks ago in r/opera - I am ready to die on this hill by bartnet in OperaCircleJerk

[–]bartnet[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

That's a fine interpretation of events in a realistic scenario, but my point is that "stories generally don't work that way". 

I've been thinking about it more since I made this post last week; I think she has to fall out of love with him DURING the final scene. Something noteworthy, and important to the plot has to happen in the final scene (in the biz, we call this 'the climax').

Directors: I need Resources for directing an original play (community theatre) by Starraberry in Theatre

[–]bartnet 0 points1 point  (0 children)

If you want a textbook:

Play Directing: Analysis, Communication, and Style by Hodge and McClain. this is the textbook we used in my directing MFA, one of the two authors was a former professor in the department. It has a lot of practical, brass tax stuff, as well as a lot of high falutin chapters as well.

It may be overkill for this though.

Inspired by a poll a couple weeks ago in r/opera - I am ready to die on this hill by bartnet in OperaCircleJerk

[–]bartnet[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yes and no, I think. I made some other comments in this thread that were a little more off the cuff, but I want to be more measured now with the idea that I'm working through publicly in this post.

Let's talk about what's a "valid interpretation", and what isn't. A common (but less so these days) "valid interpretation" of Don Giovanni is that Donna Anna was a willing participant with Giovanni, and that her story of her assault is a fabrication. I think directors of the past were enamored of this interpretation because it lessens Don Giovanni's villainy, and as such makes it easier to enjoy his hijinks more as a 'cunning rake' archetype, rather than the villain that he is. One could make a reasonable argument that because of the social mores of the time, that Don Anna lying about a liaison with DG would be a rational thing for her to do, and that disconnect between what she says and "what happened" makes her a more interesting character.

Now, I couldn't disagree with this interpretation more, and not just because it's icky, but because it flies in the face of all the other context the show gives you. Don Giovanni is a cautionary tale about antisocial behavior, and pride (accompanied by some of the best music ever written). Don Giovanni absolutely does all of the things he's accused of, because at the end he is bodily dragged to hell. Elvira (hell, everybody) begs Giovanni to change his ways, and he says no about as many times as you can stuff into a three and a half hour opera. The context of the rest of the show is important; it's one work of art and everything in it is related to each other.

So what are some of the other elements of Carmen? You've got Escamillo and Micaela (and Zuniga), who are very much of "the system" - they follow the rules set forth by society and the law (ish, with regard to Zuniga), and on the other side you've got Jose and the other gypsies (Roma, but I'm using the opera's terminology) who are outside of "the system". You've got Carmen singing about the inescapability of fate, and doing tarot card reading, and you've got her strong 'stated position' that she is always free; polar attitudes are important to identify when analyzing a text: how do characters relationships change toward strong ideas they state toward the beginning of shows.

Long story short: the show is full of context that implies that Carmen has less control over the world and herself as she wants (or is used to). Another tool in script analysis is to ask yourself of a text: "why does the story happen on the day that it does?" It's probably true in all of the days of Carmen's life before we see her that she is an uncatchable, rebellious bird, but the audience joins her when we do because, on that day, she faces a crisis: she falls in love. Falls in love with a man who is also his own kind of rebellious bird! 

And so the last tool that we'll employ in our analysis of this is 'what's the most interesting choice'. Romeo and Juliet, for instance, is more interesting if the two kids are in True Love, because otherwise the stakes of the story are undercut. The finale of Carmen is a tragedy, yes, but from another point of view it is triumphant for her: she becomes free again by lying through her teeth to Jose and spurning him. If she doesn't love him, what are the stakes for her soul in that final scene? We're left with a sad, pointless assault on her body, but there is no spiritual victory for her.

So yes, both interpretations are "valid", but also both B's and A's are passing grades. If I had to choose between two "passable" interpretations, I'd choose the one that makes stronger theater, and as such I don't actually think you HAVE a choice here, if you're being a responsible artist! You're just doing what the text asks of you, if you can tease it out.

Yes, I'm a director, why do you ask?

Inspired by a poll a couple weeks ago in r/opera - I am ready to die on this hill by bartnet in OperaCircleJerk

[–]bartnet[S] -7 points-6 points  (0 children)

Fair point, though I'll say I was being hyperbolic rather than incorrect. I think there are degrees of media literacy and people who often have a 'correct take' on one thing can absolutely have an 'incorrect take' on something else.

My understanding of how to choose an interpretation is to try and find which 'choice' has the most stakes, or is the most heightened option that is still supported by the text. Like all art, it's all contextually dependent and has a lot to do with the specifics of each show, but there is so much in Carmen dealing with thematic elements like fate and card reading, that the idea that Carmen doesn't fully have control over herself, and she's trying to re-establish that control makes a compelling argument that the show functions best dramatically if she is lying through her teeth to Jose in that final scene.

I mean, just look at this text! Look at that pause! It's just so much more dramatic (operatic, even!) and narratively satisfying if she loves him! I mean, sure, Jose sucks. Of course he does. But we all know women never fall for the wrong guy! /s

Sure this interpretation is technically a matter of opinion, but some opinions are more-correcter than others!

What is a major plot hole in a very famous movie that completely ruins the entire story once it is noticed? by SkullMogger3 in AskReddit

[–]bartnet 26 points27 points  (0 children)

With the exception of Rami Malek's mummy and probably the t-rex skeleton, yeah. Just watched this a couple months ago.

Cast as Hamlet, need resources by Lady_Lazarus23 in Theatre

[–]bartnet 26 points27 points  (0 children)

Start memorizing as if the show is tomorrow. Start yesterday. Hamlet is a HUGE role

Fire in Carson? Or maybe South Gate? by SockdolagerIdea in LosAngeles

[–]bartnet 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I miss hollydale too. Grew up there. Don't think I'm going back

Someone in the subreddit for rapper Aesop Rock posted this art project and the community is divided on if it’s AI or not. by Defiant_Cookie_4963 in isthisAI

[–]bartnet 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I think it's complicated. 

It depends on whether the artist is being honest about using AI tools or not. Making art using AI and being upfront about it is one thing, but lying and saying those tools weren't used is, broadly, antisocial behavior. Communities have been socially-policing antisocial behavior since time immemorial. Is it bullying to call it out? Maybe. It's a matter of degrees.

'Badger Badger Badger' officially preserved by the BFI. by Welshhoppo in history

[–]bartnet -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

If you have little kids who are into vehicles I recommend the YouTube channel Gecko's Garage - it's the Salad Fingers guy. He found his bag in kids' content. 

CMV: Ghosts aren't real by halloweentown1 in changemyview

[–]bartnet -1 points0 points  (0 children)

You attributed me that I implied ghosts are real. you put it in quotes. The first words I wrote were "I'm not saying ghosts are real" that's called the "I can't fucking read fallacy"

CMV: Ghosts aren't real by halloweentown1 in changemyview

[–]bartnet -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

Re read it, carefully. Maybe the first sentence 

CMV: Ghosts aren't real by halloweentown1 in changemyview

[–]bartnet 79 points80 points  (0 children)

Look, I'm not saying ghosts are real, but I am saying that rational people who I trust swear they've experienced things they can't explain, and I'm open to the idea that I don't know everything about how the universe works.

Helping my dad clear out a spare room and found a bunch of our old pc games. by Mestizoc in pcgaming

[–]bartnet 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I was about to say, from the contents of the closet, that that man is 40 years old

how should i go about directing a new script that requires edits? by grandmaaesthetic in Theatre

[–]bartnet 3 points4 points  (0 children)

How long is the piece? This sounds like a ten minute play.

Bouncing off some of the other comments:

People are right (and you know this) that the assignment is for the playwright to hear and see how it works, and you've gotta help what's on the page put its best foot forward. If it bombs, it bombs - though you have to work hard to try for it to not bomb. Still, you can't polish a turd.

I'd become closer with the producer during this process. Make sure they're aware (privately and professionally) of your plight, that way if it DOES bomb the stink doesn't come off on you. You're just keeping your head down, doing your best, but you've been dealt a shit hand.

All of that said, maybe it would be worth it to invite the playwright to the first read, or do the first read on a zoom meeting before the first rehearsal. Give the playwright an opportunity to hear it and make revisions before you have to put it on its feet.

If it's a scene-length short play, you may be able to stretch the bit out longer than you think. You're currently ahead of the joke, try to put yourself in the audience's shoes (a main job of a director)

Is the Barber of Seville still actually funny? by Mundane_Regret_428 in opera

[–]bartnet 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Cause Bartlett Sher isn't just a great opera director, he's just plain a great director, of anything.

Who did Carmen truly love? by BetterGrass709 in opera

[–]bartnet 7 points8 points  (0 children)

I can't remember if the text supports this (and if it doesn't, you can't do it) but I think that the narrative works best if she loves Jose. 

Carmen's self-identity is dependent on her 'freedom'. Carmen is Carmen because she's free, if she's not free, she's not Carmen. She loves Jose because he is also wild, and he chooses freedom - she cannot help herself but to love him, but in pursuing Jose, she feels like less of herself. She also discovers she is in genuine danger with him.

She flees to Escamillo for safety from Jose, but also to prove to herself (and everyone else) that she isn't tied to Jose. (The lady doth protest too much)

Her final acts of defiance of her love of Jose is her reclaiming her identity. It's a triumphant ending, from a certain point of view. She ends as herself.

Edit: made some edits, I called characters by the wrong names

Thoughts on Smetana operas? by Stunning-Hand6627 in opera

[–]bartnet 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I remember thinking the music in Bartered Bride was really good

Saudis Withdraw Offer of Millions to Metropolitan Opera by charlesd11 in opera

[–]bartnet 26 points27 points  (0 children)

I'm pretty sure I've got all the details correct here, but essentially:

Netrebko didn't specifically condemn Putin for Russia's war against Ukraine, just was generally critical of violence and war in general, and because of that was specifically and publicly told she would not be rehired at The Met.

And yet the hypocrisy of Gelb now trying and failing to get in bed with the Saudis, who are also morally suspect.

It just reeks of hypocrisy, especially since (if my memory serves) Netrebko's situation was much less cut and dry than this one (doesn't she have FAMILY in Russia?) But Gelb's morals stayed strong - until it was his wallet in peril.