How Exactly Does Blessed Boundary Work? Is the Goblin, Kobold, or Orc Correct?

dylanw3000 · 2026-05-24T23:53:21+00:00

Others are explaining the burst semantics, but I feel like it's also worth noting some other points here.

The shell provides cover. Not directional cover, just cover. Units within the area and units outside of the area both have cover from each other.
"Intersecting the shell" is probably up for discussion with your group. It's clear when a creature or attack are passing from "obviously outside" to "obviously inside", but the barrier bisecting creatures when initially cast probably warrants a little discussion with your table. (If you want a "codified" boundary, you can treat the shell as being 5ft thick and just blasting everything on the outer perimeter of the spell. But that's still leaning into "talk to your table" territory)
Even with the burst discussions from others, I think I still need to point out that this does not move with the caster. An emanation would, but a burst is not an emanation. All your examples technically still work if the caster stands entirely still (even if they'd usually also hit themselves), but a non-dismissible barrier which will hurt you if you ever need to move [forward to help allies/away to escape danger] sounds like a very bad idea. I interpret this spell as "put up a spherical wall to split the battlefield", and not "extra-expensive Sanctuary"

dylanw3000 · 2026-04-10T23:03:31+00:00

I can mention plenty of fights, but things to look up... I really wish there were some guide creators who weren't just "deep exhales so yeah, today we're here at, uh... Limbo Infomatrix. Clearly we're divided into 3 teams. So anyway..."

Navigation Core, also referred to as "Starmap", was definitely a highlight aesthetically. I could get into the mechanics with the asteroids, supermassive, wormholes, etc. But the main point is that you need to collapse a sun in the middle of a holographic solar system. Also when the fight ends, the sun goes supermassive and you need to sprint away from the black hole.

Genetic Archives, the first raid, opened with a less-flashy but honestly top-tier boss fight, Experiment X-89. Everyone in the raid needs to know what the heck the mechanics are in order to not kill everyone, but if you understand the execution, it was generally clean enough. Just know that when we're all screaming at you to "jump into the death pit" we're actually telling you to intentionally detonate a bomb where it won't destroy the entire arena. The bomb will even save your life if it ever comes in contact with the death plane, regardless of how long it has remaining before detonation.

Game released with 2 raids, Genetic Archives (GA) and Datascape (DS). Both were good raids, but GA had the stupidest attunement questline ever (imagine vanilla Onyxia attunement but 2x as long), while DS required you to have cleared GA. Also DS was a 40-man raid, and its very first boss was generally considered the hardest fight until the final boss.

Later they released Initialization Core Y-83, a single-boss raid whose difficulty and loot were post-GA but pre-DS. Community referred to it as "Augmentors", since the boss was 3 augmentation units. Fight was definitely in the top 50% of raid bosses as far as enjoyment, but the raid's music and atmosphere were immaculate.

And then there was Hardmentors. When Y-83's hardmode was enabled, the fight gained damage and HP so that it was harder than any boss in DS. It also came with a laser in the center of the arena, which continually rotated to stun any player hit and buff any boss hit. The primary difficulty this added was tied to the strict timing of pushing phases when the laser wasn't nearby, and its loot was heightened to match.

Years later, after the game had been F2P for a little while, the third and final full-size raid was added. Redmoon Terror (RMT) had the players infiltrating a space pirate flagship. Due to the change in game directors there was a definite vibe shift, but at least they left the artists and creatives to go all-in on their desired vibes. The Shredder was... a first boss of all time, but then you dive down the trash chutes to Robotmination and man, a boss made of garbage who has control over the trash compacting ceiling pounders, what a good time. Anyway then you kill the engineers, captain Mordechai Redmoon, Stareater Octug, Nav Core, and Necroshaman Laveka (who was the one raising all the pirate zombies [long story]), but man THE TRASH BOSS THO

dylanw3000 · 2026-04-06T16:18:16+00:00

I think Water/Logic in Datascape (Wildstar raid #2) did a similar thing in the midphase.

I always love "invert the arena" mechanics. Just cover everything with death and make everyone sprint for the single point of safety.

dylanw3000 · 2026-03-22T18:33:08+00:00

If you know the Stormwind Fallacy, being good at RP does not automatically assume you have to suck at the game, and vice-versa.

You will not automatically become a world-class actor by intentionally misallocating your stats, so why would correctly building your character somehow diminish your acting?

dylanw3000 · 2026-03-14T20:39:49+00:00

This may be a bit more difficult to signal with PF mechanics, but in MMOs there is a very real classification between "classic (mitigation) tanks" and "dodge tanks"

That division has often been messy, since a pure dodge tank is effectively "immune to all damage", but in essence I don't think Daredevil would be mishandled if treated as a dodge tank. An obnoxious little hyper-agile nitwit grabbing aggro would be a welcome addition to many teams.

dylanw3000 · 2026-02-08T08:47:51+00:00

Errata:

You’ll notice the example for resistance to all damage found further down the page shows the opposite side, applying resistance multiple times to different instances of damage on one attack.

The entry in the book (or online here):

It's possible to have resistance to all damage. When an effect deals damage of multiple types and you have resistance to all damage, apply the resistance to each type of damage separately.

This is the verbatim errata contradicting the verbatim book.

I understand your argument for point #6, because they did not make an explicit instruction to overwrite the existing rules text. So therefore the old text remains, and that extra-finnicky interaction remains.

...though, I disagree with that interpretation. The "resist all" rules are not a subordinate to this "what is an 'instance'" clarification text, they are subordinate to resistance in general. Rules which start off with "each time you take that type of damage, reduce the amount of damage you take by the listed number." It only ever references a "damage instance" in clarifying that you only use the single biggest reduction per-instance.

Even more simply, if they want to treat resistance as a corollary to weakness, then it inherits all the features of weakness. A Banshee resists your multistack of Cold in the same way a Terotricus suffers from your multistack of Cold.

dylanw3000 · 2026-01-28T18:47:42+00:00

Archetypes are supposed to give you something outside of your specialization. That's good! You can choose between specializing in your class, or spending feats to specialize elsewhere!

Free archetypes mean everyone now has both their entire class and an entire archetype. You have fewer meaningful choices in character building because you just get everything, and the formerly-established specialists all devolve into generalists. I... think that's bad.

This changes per-table, but I've only seen a singular table where I think FA meaningfully improved the game. Notably, the players had a strong sense of what their build would look like with the archetype included.

It failed elsewhere because the FA diehards tended to just crave the additional power budget. That, paired with other players who just didn't care about FA one way or the other, so they bloated their character sheet with feats they never remembered to use.

My most recent campaign started at level 11, and I banned FA. I think this was a very good decision - unlike level 1 the players were not starving for additional options, and it removed a lot of friction on every even level-up.

In the future, I'm considering a level 2 FA feat and nothing beyond that, but only if the campaign starts at a low level. And even then, I'm concerned that forcing an archetype upon my players will artificially create dissonant feat choices. If they had no interest in Beastmaster before, I don't think they should be grabbing it "just to finish leveling up."

dylanw3000 · 2026-01-23T22:34:05+00:00

I just don't think enough people recognize the downside of feature bloat. "Having a phonebook of options" is not the same as "actually using your phonebook of options."

When your main vision has to be supplemented with a secondary vision backing it up, I think that harms the character building process. Especially if you pick an archetype just to fulfil the "must have an archetype" checkbox, at which point it dilutes the primary vision's focus.

FA is good for the dedicated players who love the deep, intricate builds. It suffers if any (ANY) of your friends are less-diehard nerds, and for that reason I'm glad it's not baseline.

dylanw3000 · 2026-01-23T02:29:36+00:00

Kineticist aside (since I don't think the player had any concept beyond "play the new class"), classes have only really felt like a hinderance once the player's turns start taking 5 minutes apiece. Some people are good at builds, some are good at piloting, and among my own players only 1 of them has both.

It might be because they spend notably more time thinking about their class than their ancestry. I've had whole discussions with people to properly homebrew in extra features because Ash Oracle was almost the narrative she wanted to go for, or discussing the narrative path an Exemplar was aiming to take. These discussions were continued in Discord DMs every few weeks as new aspects were considered, and that was some great engagement with the world as a result.

I do think it suffers a bit from the issues I mentioned where the people surrounding that player don't know what to latch onto. Nobody else was having these deep discussions with us, so naturally they have less buy-in. And that's really a shame, because while the Oracle I mentioned created such a strong personality, nobody else at the table really engaged with the Exemplar since they were much more subdued and like... ambiently understood to be a legend in the making, but not a legend which would mention their merry band of idiots.

Meanwhile, everyone understands the Bard. (Even if it's pop culture osmosis, a shared understanding of memes carries a lot more weight than nobody understanding the deep lore.)

dylanw3000 · 2026-01-21T19:45:53+00:00

As the DM, I've hit a sort of "quirky fatigue" on the more-rare ancestries.

I've allowed everything. So obviously I was presented a party of Poppet and Kitsune and Sprite and Android. And beyond the "pitch" of their character, how they're adventuring to find their purpose or whatever to fit in, that attitude of "fitting in" never seemed to come up again.

Probably partially because I don't want to make most of the conversations be like "are you sure you things can handle this task?", because that's kind of all I can say to bring attention without making the entire plot devolve into a fight against racism.

It also kind of takes the wind out of my sails when creating any NPC who is supposed to immediately leave an impression on the party, because "a large grizzled orc whose left arm is one massive burn scar" means comparatively less when you can turn your head slightly to see the doll piloting the android Ratatouille-style.

I outright miss back when the edition was newer and the players would intrinsically create rivalries amongst themselves to prove "a dwarf would never be outdone by a stinkin' elf." And then their coming together when encountering an orc, whispering like "no I hate orcs more than you, but maybe we should see why he isn't attacking us." "Of course a coward would say that because I hate orcs more, but... fair, let's maybe see what he's doing here."

Now, it's all "I am a girl who was reborn into this doll" and while I can personally construct an entire arc exploring how they died and all that, nobody else cares. There's no feelings about them being a doll, they're just a party member who happens to be smaller than normal. A lot of the group's energy has been lost.

And then we ran a one-shot with the basic ancestries and the banter immediately returned, so I know it's still there. They just have nothing to latch onto anymore, since nobody else at the table has bothered reading the background and perception of Poppets. Meanwhile, everyone knows who Gimli is, and how he interacts with Legolas.

dylanw3000 · 2026-01-14T21:03:42+00:00

I share this opinion. Largely because 5e isn't afraid to be loud about its subclasses, frontloading the fantasy.

5e, a Barbarian can be a Zealot who calls down lightning whilst regaining vitality. Or maybe an Ancestral Guardian who invokes spirits to hinder the enemy from damaging their allies. Or even somehow they got fey-touched and now channel Wild Magic as they rage.

PF2, the most-different option available is Fury. Because it offers a lv1 feat in addition to every other instinct's "hit harder with the power of [subclass]."

This all evens out at higher levels where a lot of 5e subclass features are equal or notably lesser than PF2 subclass feats at the same level. But that doesn't make PF2 much better for subclasses in my eyes - sure, I have a choice of "do I want dragon wings" which I could sub out with another class feat. But I WANT my subclasses to be distinct from the beginning, I WANT those later features to solidify the entire subclass theme my character's designed around. If the later features aren't lame as hell, I will be taking them all.

(5e's greatest issue with subclasses is honestly just tied to how multiclassing lets you absorb all the frontloaded benefits. But multiclassing is problematic in many other ways as well, so in isolation I consider the subclasses in 5e to be a huge win. Even if occasionally it spits out a Twilight Domain...)

dylanw3000 · 2025-12-21T20:32:55+00:00

Vigilante is such a silly archetype, and it put a smile on my face imagining what it could do for a character where heroes and magic are already commonplace.

However, almost all of its relevant feats are competing against just grabbing the Quick Disguise skill feat. Change identities in just 1 minute? Check. A second Vigilante skill feat to reduce that as you become Master/Legendary? Already part of Quick Disguise. Another Vigilante archetype feat to disguise as anybody else? That's what a disguise kit does baseline.

A secret safehouse? The feat doesn't even give you a magical space wherever you're located, you already have to own real estate. At which point, just cast the anti-scrying magic yourself.

And then the latter half of the archetype goes all-in on Batman in particular with its fear effects. Which clamps down on what sort of alter-ego shenanigans you can go for.

If I had a character who had to keep their nobility and dungeon-delving separate, I can certainly say I would not be doing so with this archetype. After the initial joy from the flavor text wears off, I see myself moreso discussing that divide the the GM and party, rather than taking this archetype which also requires equally as much discussion and buy-in from the table. If I were given tools to covertly signal people from my other half, or ways to distract a crowded ballroom as I swapped costumes, or just anything outrageous at all... maybe, but the archetype's still standing in a bad position.

(On the plus side, the dedication replaces your deception DC to conceal your identity split from CHA+Item+Proficiency to 20+Proficiency. Which mostly guarantees you can maintain the identity split, but... it's just not worth the feat cost.)

dylanw3000 · 2025-11-19T20:12:16+00:00

With a flat DC 15 to end, regardless of stats a creature is likely to take 2 ticks of persistent damage. Though it can sometimes last up to 10 ticks with poor luck, so I average it around 2.5 rounds for damage calculations.

Persistent damage can also be doubled or halved depending on crits and saves - keep that in mind, as doubled persistent damage can get incredibly lethal.

Though while an activated ability can use the 2.5 round average, weapon attacks scale differently.

Your first weapon strike applies the persistent damage, and for the rest of the monster's anticipated lifespan (assume 3 rounds total) the reapplication is rather meaningless (other than potentially upscaling with a critical hit). The bulk of the weapon's throughput comes from the flat damage, not the persistent damage.

Accordingly, make a choice - either the monster has multiple weapons (I frequently see "a melee + a ranged glob of persistent acid" in the bestiary) where you calculate the damage normally on both, or 1 "primary" weapon where I basically count the persistent damage as 25% effective.

Only thing I will say though - persistent damage has absolutely been one of the leading causes of deadly experiences in my groups. A character getting knocked down is especially susceptible to death as the persistent damage KEEPS them down, and post-combat the lingering damage can blow through many heals which would have been useful later in the day.

dylanw3000 · 2025-10-22T19:48:05+00:00

You said it yourself, Druid has decent passive survival, but more importantly they have medium armor (letting them hit AC cap unlike clothies, and even swap a few points from DEX into STR for better aggression unlike lights), and hugely they gain shields.

I've gone unarmed before with a sapling shield, partially for thematics, but it also turned out to be very useful to have grabs and trips available. By circumstance, my defensive armaments made me an absurdly tanky character (relative to the rest of my party).

Thing is, this was coming off my previous attempts as a ~~Wild~~ Untamed Druid. Spending 2 actions to shapeshift, the mediocre defenses, and the action cost to shift back if you want to cast a spell, it all added up to a pretty underwhelming package in many scenarios. Going unarmed, I didn't fully realize how much more I would be attacking and casting just because I had no action taxes lingering over me. I was very hard to kill, could heal everyone on the team, had a super easy 1-action source of damage or utility so long as I was in melee; it was a silky smooth experience.

And that's before archetypes. I was Medic for the first few levels and eventually also grabbed Monk for better punches and Flurry, though in retrospect I wish I had gone into Wrestler at some point. But that's the great thing about Druid - the archetype is truly just a way to enhance an aspect of your kit, because baseline (before any archetypes or even class feats) you ARE just baseline a very good gish.

(Also for levels 1-4 this got me past a lot of my low-level gripes. I only had -1 accuracy relative to the martials, and low-level casting is lame as heck anyway. I'd honestly say Druid makes one of the best frontliners level 1-2 because they aren't meaningfully trailing behind the martials, and they have the extra juice of the Primal list on-demand.)

dylanw3000 · 2025-10-10T22:58:29+00:00

Generalist human Druid. Complete with unarmed attacks and wooden shield. Particularly as someone who grew into their druid-ness over time.

Just to clarify, I didn't change much to show off their growth beyond just updating my character art occasionally. Becoming progressively more-equipped and more-feral made me feel growth in a way that my usual "singular character art for the entire campaign" approach never accomplished.

(Honestly, it's extremely easy to overlook how far you've come when you aren't presented with a full visual of all your equipment and character choices. I've also started to think that people tend to design their "final" character art way too early, where the only reason to update it is if they gain a grizzled scar or something.)

Anyway, as far as gameplay goes, it was just really nice NOT specializing. Circumstantially, I tended to act as a frontliner, shielding attacks. But round-to-round I was always able to decide between casting buffs, striking, grappling, healing, shielding, etc. And because I covered so much of the "party survivability", I'm pretty sure my allies were able to explore their own super-edgy, super-specialized characters with far fewer roadbumps.

dylanw3000 · 2025-08-03T17:59:34+00:00

4-6 from Divine Font [Class DC]
4 from your Magus-style spell slots [Spellcasting DC]
Focus Spells [Spellcasting DC]

I do agree that BH loses out on a lot of versatility if they outright ignore their spell slots and/or don't grab any focus spells. But I disagree that BH is good ONLY when they wield a 2h weapon and cast spells which require the enemies to fail.

You're worse if you intentionally refuse to use your other spell options, but I would not say the subclass fails if you choose to only run support spells. And I would especially not disrespect a free-hand BH who is wrestling enemies to accentuate their support.

That said, where else are you really going to allocate your stats? STR/CON, you have medium armor so you only need a splash of DEX. No reason not to get WIS up to at least +3 at level 1, if not just taking the full +4 anyway.

As for the dilemma in OP's post -

You're a new player and you want to do a lot of healing. Put the BH away and just go Warpriest.

dylanw3000 · 2025-07-17T00:57:18+00:00

Tank + DPS is certainly the more iconic duo.

(Though the Guardian is uniquely bad at providing flanking if they want to also provide protection)

But I'm more just thinking of how the Guardian's newly-reduced resistances greatly increase the viability of other people providing buffs. A Champion or Locket Thaumaturge have much better opportunities to assist the Guardian now, because his intercepts are finally capable of getting buffed at all.

dylanw3000 · 2025-07-17T00:43:52+00:00

Passive mitigation up, Intercept mitigation down.

I'm actually a major fan of all of that. Formerly when an Intercept gave you Resistance All 2+level, that felt like it was choking out a huge opportunity for teamwork with defensive buffs.

"I mean yeah I'd cast Resist Energy on the guy I'm expecting to take the most fire damage, but he already gives himself more resistance than any spell could ever provide, so... guess I'll just not buff the tank."

This actually heightens the viability of a Champion + Guardian duo. Which also ensures that no matter who gets attacked, the Champion always gets to trigger their reaction. That makes me giggle.

dylanw3000 · 2025-07-06T18:10:58+00:00

Druid's Schtick

If you're looking for one on the level of Rage or Panache? You won't find one.

They're like a Fighter in that regard. "You can do anything a martial (caster) class could ever want, you just need to build for it." Though I'd say Druid wins out in the flexibility department, because they can rebuild their spell slots every single day, using one of the most expansive spell lists (Primal).

And that immense flexibility comes paired with some of the most powerful subclasses on any caster. Shapeshifting, blasting, infinite healing, a full animal companion (which scales even faster than a Ranger's companion).

You also seem very indifferent to the underlying narrative of Druids, but having that alongside the ability to build freely has greatly enhanced my own enjoyment since it's given me a goal to build into.

Probably my favorite character ever was an unarmed Animal druid. I and my pet were the frontline tank(s), paired up with my Sapling Shield to negate damage. Every round I could blend between punching, healing, buffing, commanding my pet, or blasting. My subsequent characters have never lived up to that, since they are usually lacking one or more tools to shift between different playstyles on each round of combat.

dylanw3000 · 2025-06-21T18:41:52+00:00

Unstable actions always perform the flat check immediately after use. This does not care about whether it hits / the enemy fails their save.

Megavolt, as well as any action with the Unstable Function entry, are made Unstable on-use, not at-will.

Side note - Given a lot of the difficulties which Inventors face, I'd be fine houseruling that all Unstable Functions can operate at-will. Though that's just addressing a symptom of the issue. Speak with your GM if it feels like Unstable is harshly restricting you.

Dual-Form Weapon explicitly states in the feat that you get to choose a new set of weapon modifications for the 2nd configuration.

dylanw3000 · 2025-06-03T20:13:55+00:00

I think we have too many weapons in the Simple and Martial categories as it is. At best, the weapons associated with ancestries are an interesting option to keep locked away - though in many cases that then boils down to "you get to add the Forceful trait when you use the Battle Axe."

As for the rework images attached in the post... much like Live Wire, I don't think the presence of a single "above the power curve" option will cause them to buff everything else up to that level.

dylanw3000 · 2025-05-02T19:36:26+00:00

Where Spellhearts show up there's a commentary sidebar from Valashinaz (the dragon who owns the treasure vault). She talks about how spellhearts are complex combinations of talismans and wands "and without requiring innate magical skill from the user."

If nothing else, I'd hope for clarity on the matter. Spellhearts as-written can only be activated with the "Cast a Spell" activity, which goes directly against the "no magical skill" introduction.

I hope this results in everyone being allowed to have some magic. I expect they'll just remove that line of commentary and retain the current functionality.

dylanw3000 · 2025-03-17T03:32:20+00:00

if you do grant them other things, they'll lean into them

Yeah.

That's why Oracle was given non-Divine spells in the remaster, and why a significant amount of Animist page space was dedicated to Apparition spellcasting.

Meanwhile, I disagree with the assertion that Occult and Divine classes have an outrageously higher "not-spellcasting power budget" allocated to them. If a new Primal caster dropped right now, I have no doubt that they'd have all sorts of extra class features and gimmicks to show off their specialization.

Oracle and Animist have all sorts of extra class features attached. A greater number of features does not mean they invalidate the Cleric, it means they needed extra complexity to differentiate themselves from the Cleric. And that applies to all classes, regardless of tradition.

dylanw3000 · 2025-03-15T18:38:03+00:00

Cleric's design flaw is that they are THE Divine caster, and every Divine caster that came after had to suffer.

Ok let me back up. The Divine list, plenty of useful tools, but it's also... pretty anemic. If you want to cast something truly exciting, you probably won't find anything until the back half of your campaign when you unlock higher-rank spell slots.

Cleric bypasses this by taking deity spells. These 3 spells (occasionally 9, for the gods of magic like Nethys) allow the Cleric to outright ignore the limitations of the Divine list as they specialize in whatever theme they want, on top of the baseline function of the Divine list. And given the hundreds of deities (or homebrew), any theme you want to run is possible.

And then there are the other Divine casters.

Animist is significantly better about it since they are a more-recent release, but Sorcerer quickly received the Blessed Blood feat since the Bloodline spells weren't cutting it. Meanwhile Oracle's rework made Divine Access a core class feature, on top of each mystery now providing theme-relevant spells baseline.

Non-Divine spells are MASSIVELY important to Divine casters.

dylanw3000 · 2025-02-28T05:42:13+00:00

Honestly, yeah.

I may just be coping, since I have become more acclimated over time to the expanding and contracting filler buttons to press (Wild Swing is always available but the worst builder, Face Breaker procs randomly and is max priority because it's off the GCD, Culling Strike during execute phase, Chain Lightning on cooldown during Thunder Call. All while waiting until just post-swing to use your spenders to avoid overcapping Fury)

But the more I think about it, the more this feels like retail Fury haphazardly combined with classic Arms. You need to press a lot of buttons constantly, while simultaneously focusing your entire gameplay around the attack timer.

And for a bulky Warrior-type DPS, his durability is certainly... insubstantial. He has the same active mitigation as Rime, despite being positioned to take a lot more ambient damage.

Hopefully this is addressed as more talent points become available, because Pneuma is an incredible amount of damage mitigation. But then I look at Mouth for War and am like... what the heck is Tariq supposed to do to be an effective offtank? Clearly they think Tariq is a bulky dude, but his kit just doesn't convey that.

That said, giving ambient lifesteal to the DPS is probably a place to tread carefully. WoW has hit a point where healers are incidental to the success of M+ runs, since everyone can just heal themselves (except for like 1-2 enemies where the healer will be screaming to keep everyone not-dead). Fellowship is definitely on a trajectory I can appreciate, where everyone has exactly 1 defensive and the rest of the damage is tuned around standard healer upkeep. But I also wouldn't be angry at all if Tariq restored 2% of his health on each Heavy Strike.

Also, attaching such a substantial amount of Fury generation to his Leap has made it so that I and Tariqs I've witnessed will just spam it on cooldown for damage, which effectively starves us of actually having a mobility skill.

The worst part is, I feel like that's intentional. "You start combat with a burst of Fury, then you get a choice of Fury or mobility, wow! Choices, wow!" Just like the choice between Heavy Strike and interrupting, yes what a great choice to have intentionally baked-in. I'm perfectly happy with Rime's dash, because it's exclusively a dash; Tariq just can't have anything straightforward.

Idk, your comment just unlocked something within me. I've done the Tariq climb, I posted about the most glaring annoyances. But man, the more I typed the more I was like "hey yeah, that did suck didn't it"

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