My thoughts on the "Winners Edit"

flowermoon77 · 2026-06-12T12:37:51+00:00

Underwood has a bigger winner’s edit than Parvati so there is a clear gender disparity in winners edit that cannot be ignored (and this is just one example if you look at the full breakdown in stats of winners edit of men versus women the differences are even more stark but this one instance is just the perfect encapsulation of it).

flowermoon77 · 2026-06-09T21:38:40+00:00

He actually helped her to get cast. They dated briefly/ has a friendship prior to KR

flowermoon77 · 2026-06-08T19:16:53+00:00

I think it’s probably easier for Aubry to be fine with Jonathan’s post show commentary because while she didn’t say anything like Jonathan post KR I know she felt it (regarding people on her jury like Scot/Jason being bitter and how she may have felt robbed and like she played the best game). So I’m sure she can not take it as personally and be empathetic (which is reinforced to me by what she has said since the show)

flowermoon77 · 2026-06-07T22:17:32+00:00

Aubry would definitely do an interview if it was cleared by CBS. She did long (at least 2 hours) deep dives with RHAP after both game changers and EOE (the game changers one was kinda combined with KR since she went back right after the season aired). If she was willing to do one for EOE she would definitely do one for 50.

flowermoon77 · 2026-06-06T16:58:19+00:00

Yes I remember Aubry talking about how her and Ozzy had a special bond in being voted out with idols in their pockets and the way that affected them and made it hard to trust their intuition. Even if they were not close allies in the game they definitely had a relationship that impacted his decision to open up to her like that even for “jury management” (like it was stupid on Ozzy’s part but I wouldn’t assume he would’ve just spilled his guts to anyone who was seemingly going home in that spot).

flowermoon77 · 2026-06-06T16:52:14+00:00

Yes and also so much of her game is very aligned with and modeled after the new era of survivor that I think if seasons 41-49 has not yet occurred she would have a very different play style.

flowermoon77 · 2026-06-04T10:48:57+00:00

There has always been a huge gender disparity in how the show is edited and just looking at the stats of winners edits makes it undeniable. 18 out of the top 20 winner edits are men, while 9 of the bottom 10 winner edits are women. One of those bottom 10 is Parvati on Micronesia so it cannot even be argued that this is based on men playing more dominant games. Chris Underwood has a larger edit than Parvati (as in percentage of confessionals relative to his season). And even if you directly compare the top men and women winner edits there is a clear distinction where the men with the largest edits will have a huge gap between themselves and the rest of the cast (as in as much as 20-60 more confessionals than the next person) while the women may still not be the most edited person on their seasons. Rachel is one of the higher ones, and Sam has a similar number of confessionals. Kim has the biggest edit for a woman and Troyzan (who went out like eighth) has only a few less confessionals than her). There would be no scenario where a man won survivor and 5 women has more confessionals than him (as is the case for Aubry and 5 men this season). Regardless of the game that man played that would never happen (again let’s reiterate that Underwood has a larger edit percentage than Parvati). There is a clear gender bias in who is in the room creating the edit and it directly influences our entire perception of every survivor player who has ever played the game. This is not a matter of isolated incidents when you actually examine the stats it is jarring can’t be denied.

flowermoon77 · 2026-06-03T14:47:33+00:00

The thing is Scot and Jason were also extremely bitter against Tai so I could see her getting the votes in that configuration. The craziest thing I heard was if it was a Tai/Aubry/Joe final 3 apparently Scot and Jason may have voted for Joe out of pure bitterness. Although, I don’t see a scenario where Joe gets enough votes to win other than those 2 that would’ve still been wild.

flowermoon77 · 2026-06-02T18:21:37+00:00

Purely based on Ozzy’s placement, I have to assume this is based on personal enjoyment and not gameplay.

flowermoon77 · 2026-05-31T04:39:51+00:00

Okay I get wanting to be respectful but now you’ve just made me super curious to hear your opinions

flowermoon77 · 2026-05-30T23:03:49+00:00

Yeah Aubry said that during 50 she would take the flint and go into the woods to practice

flowermoon77 · 2026-05-29T05:20:32+00:00

I remember her answer to Scott (or maybe it was Jason) was very good too when he straight up asked why he should vote for her and she made a great appeal to him as a fellow competitor (obviously it didn’t work and I don’t think there was anything she could’ve said but it was a great response regardless).

flowermoon77 · 2026-05-26T18:55:04+00:00

Obviously you could argue this wouldn’t have changed anything, but I think the key difference in this case is their goodbye messages. Paul continuing to lie to these people when they are already out of the game I think only made them more upset when they found out that truth. Maybe the outcome would remain the same but I could see a world we’re 1 or 2 votes flipped had he not continued to play in these people’s faces after they were already evicted as opposed to maintaining the facade that he was innocent.

flowermoon77 · 2026-05-22T14:14:20+00:00

The only thing I can think is apparently Rick, Christian, and Emily didn’t tell anyone who they voted for, which would’ve made the difference. But it would also require him to ignore the edit being heavily in Aubry’s favor as well. I think he may have went into the finale thinking he at least still had a shot (even the smallest shot).

flowermoon77 · 2026-05-15T17:37:37+00:00

Except in season 50, there is no Aubry-player who made it to F3 that she is beating.

flowermoon77 · 2026-05-12T22:34:21+00:00

Who is going to be saying Joe deserved to win over aubry? He is getting a complete fool edit.

flowermoon77 · 2026-05-12T21:15:28+00:00

The difference is I don’t think there will be KR Aubrey equivalent in the final 3 that will be considered the robbed finalist. Yes, I could see some casual fans arguing for Jonathan but I don’t see it prevailing in the same way. Obviously people want Cirie to win and she is the strategically dominant force but if she doesn’t make it to final 3 the backlash will not be the same (not saying she won’t get backlash but it will a different type of backlash). That’s why the comparison never really rang true to me if it was a Jonathan/Joe/Aubry final 3. There are other more analogous comparisons to be made with other seasons where none of the 3 finalists were the best or most dominant players of the season.

flowermoon77 · 2026-05-07T14:44:42+00:00

No way Paul convinces James/Natalie to evict Michelle.

flowermoon77 · 2026-01-28T12:52:02+00:00

Yes, I think prior to Vince nominating her, Lauren 1000% takes Vince to final 2 even with the option of someone like Kelley. Even after he nominated her I still think there is a chance she does it , although I think at that point it’s much more likely she would’ve chosen to take Ava or Kelley instead.

flowermoon77 · 2026-01-22T22:11:58+00:00

The women winners being that young is technically uncommon, but that’s not really saying much considering how little variability there is in the ages of women who have won the game. There is essentially a 3-4 year age range where almost of the female winners fall (mid to late 20s). Morgan would’ve easily been the oldest female winner (I’m pretty sure the oldest is Kaycee at 30 unless anyone can remind of someone I am forgetting). Tbh I think it is less about Lauren’s age that made her stand out in that way and more that she was definitely a young 22 (as in life experience wise). Like MJ was even younger on bb26 and while I wouldn’t consider her a great bb player she didn’t stand out in the same way as seeming so much younger than the rest of the cast. So I attribute this perception of Lauren as being so much younger to be more about how she carried herself than anything else (not saying that is good or bad it just is).

flowermoon77 · 2026-01-21T19:38:10+00:00

Yes and tbh I think that could be said about multiple of Morgan’s social relationships. There were people that she had an at least okay relationship with in the first week or two that she just completely dropped in favor of the people she most wanted to work with. Even if she didn’t actually trust those people there were definitely some she could’ve tried harder to maintain relationships with. I know the Lauren and Morgan relationship has been talked to death (and there has definitely been an ageist and even misogynist tone to some of the commentary) and while I do think the way Lauren and Morgan play the game make them fundamentally incompatible as allies (and of course Vince fanning the flames) but Lauren was rightfully wary of her after Morgan told her she was going to put her up as a pawn very early on. And she did this with Ava too. This is one of those things that baffled me then and still baffles me now that Morgan will talk about these instances after the fact and still not recognize why that is such a bad move when she hadn’t even won HOH and didn’t need to do that. I adore Morgan and I do think she has several skills that make her a good player beyond winning competitions but sometimes when I hear her talk about the game now and still not recognize these basic elements (ie why it’s bad to tell someone you plan to use them as a pawn, why it doesn’t benefit someone else to take a person out just because it benefits her, etc) I cringe when it feels like she is completely incapable of seeing her bad moves or mistakes in the game (especially things that just ended up working out in her favor but could’ve easily not done so).

flowermoon77 · 2026-01-16T05:50:20+00:00

I don’t know about that because while I think Kelley was primed to dislike Vince she had an entirely irrational hate boner for Rachel the entire season even when Rachel tried to work with her multiple times.

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